If you really think about it, the Turtle Ship isn't much of a naval innovation. It's just a single row galley so a lot less complex and powerful than the Greek triremes.
>>18584324True, they were the first ironclads that completely nullified japs ability to board and such a smaller target for the cannons the japs did have that they couldn't maneuver fast enough before the turtle ships blasted and paddled around them. I wonder why none of the europeans and ottomons ever thought, "Hey the enemies main assault tactic is to board our ships making our cannons at risk, why don't we just make it near impossible for them to board?".
>>18584921>first ironclads>European Turtle ship felt more like woodencladshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fin_de_la_guerre
>>18584324i dont think they even serve the same purpose.
>>18584324And why weren't the Japanese putting cannons on their boats? They were already fielding firearms en masse. It's like they were trying to be retarded with ships.
>>18584921I'm looking at both the turtle boat and the nihon maru and it doesn't look like either will be able to board the other.
>>18585486In 1586, Hideyoshi attempted to acquire two galleons. Another incident was the Spanish one in 1596, where the Japanese could recruit them.
>>18584942>>18584921What if Hideyoshi conquered Joseon kingdom?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAoinrFMgQ0
>>18585486They did have cannons on board its just that at most the average ship had 1 or two large swivels or korean cannons from Busan. If they wanted more they'd have to unboard a shit ton of marines which they kinda needed for the land operations
>>18586733They didn't have smaller craft to fill the ship-to-ship combat role?
>just paddled jap ships blasting holes in their hullswhich fucker thought of this strat?
>>18586863>>18587280Japanese implementing a hit-and-run, feigned retreat tactic utilizing a rapid V-shaped vessel. They reassign Kobayakawa Takakage's position to Katō Kiyomasa for the Jeolla campaign.https://youtu.be/e3kSI4-y5VY?t=186&si=MGdgZE0RIp-NKqWN
>>18584324>>18584324The real advantage of the turtle ships is they were resistant to being set on fire. The armored panels caused flaming arrows and sacks of oil to slide off the vessel instead of catching the frame on fire
>>18587448Were flaming arrows a real thing? I thought that was mostly a thing in fiction/stories
>>18584324>>18585486Over 90% of the cannons available in China, Korea, and Japan at that time would have been purchased from the Portuguese. The cannons themselves were usually manufactured in Indonesia and India to cut down on shipping costs, although a few did come from Europe from time to time. Fundamentally Ming China was a better buyer.
>>18587732Japan not have the iron for it? They produced enough teppo.
>>18588049They've got big matchlock-like cannons.
>>18587483if it's east asia we're talking about specifically it would be arrows with gunpowder and a fuse. flaming arrows like in the european movies existed but they need sustained contact to catch things on fire and most can't have been fired at high velocity from far away. most did not have points though they existed, and they weren't used for piercing enemy soldiers and igniting them on fire. another solution was to use live coals.
>>18586863Thats what they used the Sekibune and the Kobaya for. The problem is multifaceted. Yes, they needed more cannons, but they literally had captured Korean ships for that. They also had the Great Teppo for sailors which is atleast comparable to a smaller "mystery" type cannon and they tried building the turtle ship multiple times. Many Japanese commanders also approached the Korean lines well below the 90 meter mark for adequet musket fire using all sorts of strategies. It just wasn't enough. >>18587732Majority of the cannons used in Korea were the Heaven, Earth, Prince, Mystery series bronze cast muzzle loaders. None of the Folangjis that have been found in that era were made outside of Korea. They are all inscribed with names of Domestic artisans.
>>18588600What could they have done differently to beat the Korean navy?>>18587483Flaming projectiles of some kind were definitely a thing. Julius Caesar (or the person writing in his stead) talks about them during the siege of Alexandria, but everything is referred to as missiles.
>>18584921It's possible they were just retarded but it's probably probably more to do with seaworthiness. Spanish ships had to get to the eastern Mediterranean, to the coast of Belgium and to America which meant they needed conventional hulls capable of long distance travel. Messing around with a gigagalley probably isn't worth the effort if there's a 50% chance it'll sink before it even reaches Turkey.
>>18588642Hideoyoshi should have used mind control to invite Shimazu Yoshihiro to the initial push and replace Wakisaka with Konichi. Wakisaka can enter as a reserve. I think those three showed merit at sea. Despite how much he shit the bed, Wakisaka was able to let go of his ego and reflect critically after Hansando. They need to abandon the concentrated force altogether. few lost ships are enough to completely slow the whole unit. They also need to understand that the Koreans rely wholy on cavalry doctrines at sea and there are apparent shortfalls.
>>18587732What even is this lie, we all know that China can produce their own Chinese style cannons and did learn to make Folangji cannons - they have a shit ton of firearms. Koreans can make their own cannons too, albeit not ass great as Chinese or Europeans'.
>>18586717>>18588725I know Hideyoshi want the supply his force in peninsula three river.
