Is he the reason Japan is the way it is now? Or were they always going to chimp out as a vestige of the Imjin War? In foresight, he reawakened Japan's martial lust, and is the catalyst of Modern Japan.
>>18587304You could've posted McArthur, but you posted some literally who instead.
>>18587317>you posted some literally who instead.It's easier to say you don't know history and just ask who I'm talking about. MacArthur was dealing with the Japan Perry created 90-some years ago.
>>18587317>literally who and its the guy who gun-boat-diplomacy’d Japan open to the West, leading to its industrialisation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_C._Perry>>18587304The reason Japan industrialised>were they always going to chimp out as a vestige of the Imjin War?I think they always would have wanted to conquer Asia, both as a vestige of the Imjin war, and since colonies/empires were a status symbol for the great powers at that time
>>18587329Matthew is a meme character.It's a guy who shot some guns and got some papers signed vs the guy who defined how postwar Japan operates.
>>18587342>who defined how postwar Japan operates.But prewar Japan is still relevant here
>>18587353Pretty much all aspects of current Japan directly trace back to McArthur's postwar reforms and constitution. All Matthew did, in comparison, was shoot guns until the Japanese would open two ports to US trade and switch to capture-and-return shipwrecked sailors.
>>18587366You’ve just completely ignored what I’ve said, that prewar Japan opening up and modernizing is relevant to the specifics of WWII, and the fallout of it
>>18587317>>18587366You know nothing at all and need to stop posting. Perry and the US opened up Japan and made it into the mess it was in the 40s. Pic related>Robert Maynard Hutchins speaking of Japan, 19521 of 2
Commodore Perry is the precursor to Nixon/ Kissinger in 1972 with China and Bush’s entire admin during the Yeltsin era. The idea was to turn all these states (Japan, China, USSR) into vassals of the US but unfortunately it doesn’t always work this way.>I hate capitalist Japan/ Russia/ China>>Then why’d you ask for it???
>>18587400>>18587375Perry had them sign some trade treaties and then died. That's all he did.Treaties that, mind you, were no different from the ones they were forced to sign with every other western power of the period. The internal Japanese discourse countinued to 100% run on native theories and concepts within a native framework. Said discourse wasn't: "Wow, that Perry fellow from the U-S-of-A and his Black Ships sure did a number on us, we better get our shit together." but: "The Tokugawa Shogunate clearly failed to honour the Emperor and to expel the foreigners." Perry was not a factor here, the problem was perceived as one of the Tokugawa's culpability to the Emperor.That you'd equal a post officer like Perry to McArthur's constitutional reforms is just dumb.
>>18587437Perry laid the groundwork for what the Americans who came after him did. Dont be a retard >Henry Kissinger spoke to Mao for a few hours. How did he shape modern China at all! Lmao That Robert Hutchins quote is from 1952 when Perry was still hotly contested in how he shaped Japan
>>18587403>>18587400Nice book, mobilefags
>>18588291>anon is unaware that an image can be sent from one device to another
>>18587304He's the guy every jap still seethes at. In fact when Japanese war criminals were put on trial in 1946, one of them kept seething at Perry saying it's all his fault. Imagine seething that hard about an event from 93 years ago.
>>18588291It is from the Great conversation by Hutchins. Hutchins was arguing against political intervention in foreign countries in the third world by using Japan as an example. Perry set up Japan along the US lines of the time and it became a USA jr of sorts, all of the worst genocidal aspects and none of the good ones. In this same book he argues against the Soviets too though saying that he wouldn’t be surprised if both US and Soviets destroyed each other because of their belligerent govs fighting over the third world
