Why are Europeans so obsessed with every little tribe having their own country
pic is retarded, core china is about the size of the carolingian empire and the outer regions were only added under the manchu. the reason a full mediterranean empire never emerged again was never again did power again combine enough land and sea power. china never was forced to deal with sea stuff. that said the carolingians did fall from their own incompetence.
China had a language to unify them. Europe didn't. In China, a decree from the capital can be read and understood throughout the realm without a need for translations. The same cannot be said for Christian Europe.
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>>18588799wtf Manchuria ain't 3x bigger than tibet lol. protip avoid mercator projection for size comparisons. anyways just google china proper for the area that was under actual dynastic rule.
>>18588806based retard
>>18588744For most of its history China was a melting pot of hundreds of different ethnic groups that didn't even speak mutually intelligible languages. I'm really starting to get sick of Sino exceptionalists trying to convince the world they're some thousand year old continuous nation when in reality their history isn't actually all too different from Rome itself
>>18588840Provide evidence that isn't your hurt feelings.
>>18588860Come on now...Most of China didn't even speak Mandarin until the mid-late 20th century, this has nothing to do with feelings, it's pretty well known facts that for some reason we're just expected to ignore
>>18588866based retard
>>18588882I accept your concession
>>18588866Chinese language is a written language, not a spoken one. Youre incredibly uninformed, saar.
>>18588888You seem to be missing the point saaaar
>>18588888Quints if truth. Dunked on that seething fecaloid.
>>18588899>I suffer from autism thus I'm right
>>18588899Checked. I dont know what causes jeets to seethe so much honestly. Nobody gives a fuck if their country has hundreds of languages with dozens of scripts except them. I dont get why they keep attacking others and claiming random shit like china or germany having caste systems.
>>18588911Nice dubs. It's because they are very insecure. That is all there is to it. If you want to learn more, search up izzat. It is why they will be compelled to argue a lost position.
>>18588915>izzatkek. subhumans
>The Chinese speaking hundreds of mutually unintelligible languages is different from Europe speaking hundreds of mutually unintelligible languages because it just is okay??Why are Changs like this?
>>18588927You're not fooling anyone
>>18588927They have had a completely unified script since the Qin you retard. Read a book.
>>18588941Also why are you samefagging so much? This dead ass board makes it super obvious
>>18588927-10000 izzat. No one is buying it Ranjesh.
>>18588944>Europeans wrote in Latin for 2000 years you retard. Read a book.
>>18588949This is very weak bait. Is this the fabled indian IQ?
>>18588951Yes
It's still samefagging lmao
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>>18588958>inspect element totally doesn't exist you see it's me and some other guy rizzing eachothers posts on one of the slowest boards here Sure dude
>>18588958Are you chilean?
>>18588965No
>>18588965That's some really interesting timing between your posts, almost like you're the same person...weird...
>>18588970Take meds or kys for losing izzat, i care not.
>>18588888Best quints ive seen in a while. They usually get wasted
>>18588971I must say this izzat shit really explains it all.
>he's still glazing his own posts yikes dude
>>18588976Jeet
>>18588980Based
>>18588744>ancient Roman Empire borders>modern PRC borders Wat?
>>18588744Rice farming requires more people and collective action to plant and harvest.Wheat farming requires one man and one ox. That's it.Cultures flowed downstream from these factors.
>>18589121North china plain was and still is too cold and dry for rice
>>18589140Yellow river farmed millet until somehow wheat and barley went from the fertile crescent all the way to China across the steppes and mountains, though it took the 2 crops 8000 years to do that.
>>18589121It could have gone differently. Chinese became this huge assimilationist blob through the power of rice farming. Some Austronesian tribes fortified themselves into the mountains of Luzon and avoided mixing with outsiders to the point they remain the least mixed East Asian group on the planet (https://pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2026132118) through the power of rice farming.
>>18588980But Lord Nolan taught me that Greeks were black?
>>18588949I didn't realize every European village tried to prep their kids to take the official imperial European exam in Paris in Latin in hopes they become an official and get assigned to some imperial European province like Germany.
>>18588888>Chinese language is a written language, not a spoken oneClassical Chinese (official language of administration and education up until early 20th century), modern Putonghua and other modern Chinese languages like Cantonese employ these characters differently, sometimes even using characters unique to this or that language.E.g. here's an excerpt from Confucius' analects in pic related. On top you can see the original text in Classical Chinese written in simplified characters, and on bottom you can see the translation into Putonghua ('Mandarin'). Does it look very similar to you?Not to mention Classical Chinese has been an exclusively written language for thousands of year since original pronunciation of the characters has been lost. Meanwhile Latin, due to employing an alphabetic script, maintains the oral communication aspect making it a better sermon and negotiation language.>>18589480>I didn't realize every European village tried to prep their kids to take the official imperial European exam in Paris in Latin in hopes they become an official and get assigned to some imperial European province like Germany.You'd be surprised to learn that there existed stipends for poor students, including peasants, which did in fact allow to enroll in the university, and later on become a scribe, doctor, pastor, jurist or other professional.
>>18589525>You'd be surprised to learn that there existed stipends for poor students, including peasants, which did in fact allow to enroll in the university, and later on become a scribe, doctor, pastor, jurist or other professional.Yeah not for a united European government retard
>>18588799That's not core china, pic related is.
>>18589555The tarim basin and gansu corridor have typically always been under Chinese control even if other regions are not
>>18588744Consequences of the Thirty Years War.France realized it could acquire hegemony by divying up the HRE into warring states. Later on this was adopted by Wilson as America's core strategy for divide-and-control rule of the European continent.'Self determination' is code for Franco-American hegemony
>>18589540>Yeah not for a united European government retardNo shit Europe didn't have a united polity after the fall of the Roman Empire in the west. Why are you so fixated on it? A single language and a more-or-less uniform education system still allowed for mobility and travel of learned people between countries (Church being the most obvious conductor of such movements). It's not dissimilar to the Warring States period when 士 used to move and change employ in different courts during the Warring States period.I would say that the dynamic nature of the European political landscape with large empires and smaller buffer states and free cities allowed for military and scientific progress while China hopelessly stagnated and went through the cyclic motions.
>>18589626>I would say that the dynamic nature of the European political landscape with large empires and smaller buffer states and free cities allowed for military and scientific progress while China hopelessly stagnated and went through the cyclic motions.Maybe but this is orthogonal to your original argument which you already gave upAnd a united nationalistic China outperforms the bureaucratic sclerotic headless EU today if you want to argue long term competitiveness
>>18589560But not part of core China.>AlwaysThe Tang took the Tarim basin from a Turkic Khaganate, and had a slap fight with Tibet over it for the next 400 years until the Turks took it back. Wouldn't be Chinese again until the Qing conquered the Turks living there. I don't know shit about the Gansu corridor though so I won't argue there.I won't try to pass off that Chinese roots run deep in the North West, but it was more of a sphere of influence thing most of the time. It wasn't part of core China any more than Vietnam. Actually I think you can make a stronger argument for Vietnam, but that's neither here nor there.
>>18589856>I won't try to pass off that Chinese roots run deep in the North WestI won't try to say that the Chinese don't have deep roots in the North West*
>>18588744lack of religious beliefs (no higher ideals that are competing with that conceptions)historical emphasis on the nation state ethnic nationalism and pseudoscientific racialism of the 18th century
>>18589862>lack of religious beliefs (no higher ideals that are competing with that conceptions)They had the Mandate of Heaven which basically means the state WAS their religion
>>18589856You are forgetting the Han dynasty already expanded and controlled that region centuries before the Tang and their fortress ruins can still be found there. It's a frontier region of China and has been conquered and reconquered by Chinese armies more than any other region, by Qianlong's campaigns, by the famous General Tso, by the red army's Wang zhen.
