My understanding of Vatican II is that it was done to increase church attendency rates among young people. No Latin because the average person doesn't understand it and thinks it's pretentious. No overt conservatism because they thought the average young adult was liberal.This didn't work, obviously. Not only that, but it turns out the people most enthusiastic about catholicism were the trads. Yet they have done everything they can to silence this faction and make it clear they are not welcome and should conform to the more liberal official stance of the church, as seen by the recent excommunications.Yet conservative evangelical churches continue to grow, as the people who cling to christianity seem to be seeking a harsher, more conservative and rigid faith, not a more flexible one. Even in the third world strongholds of catholicism they are bleeding out and losing faithful to evangelical churches at an alarming rate.Yet, they also do nothing about all this. Their tactics are bad and have done nothing but hurt their own attendence rates, but the most baffling thing to me is how they don't care. There has been to reaction at all from the priests, no movement to reclaim and reconvert apostates, nothing. If you walk into a catholic church in 2026 and try to ask for information you will be met by office ladies who are annoyed that they have to do their own job and priests who don't want to talk to you. Can anyone explain this? Are they trying to commit institutional suicide?
>>18588964If you ask me it’s because they have done so much evil throughout history and even recorded it. So we turn to the Bible to see what it says. A really naughty church is called the mystery Babylon whore. She created daughter harlots too.If you think it ends with what you just said, look at how the current world events are looking at an Iran war with the US over the world energy trade.Which is connected to this Strait of Hormuz thing that Trump keeps talking about. Which is connected to prophecies in the Bible about Gog and Magog (russia and Iran), which points to actual verifiable undeniable proof that God’s Word is real because who knew 2000 and + years ago that the Bible prophets would predict that these countries trade oil which they need to be able to fund their wars to keep their countries sovereign? The Bible certainly talks about real places. Even the valley of Jazreel is a real place and th stories connect Hosea and Gomer’s son’s name to that valley and that valley is connected later to Jezebel being killed and dogs licking up her blood because she was one of the most evil women in the Bible. It talks about Russia being the white prince Rosh, but he is the Second Antichrist that is foretold to come. Not the first one. We are about to face the first Antichrist, so he is creating some sort of horrible war against Russia to cause confusion now, to use for later. Because as I was watching Alex jones, he went from “Trump is full on just making Israel first” to just saying “Yay woo Israel first I am on board for full nuclear scale war with Russia!!!! Yeah!!!” Full on Crazy cuckoo now. When I in fact like Russia and don’t think Putin needs to be destroyed. Israel caused that with Ukraine, and by the way Zelenskyy is just some porn actor they got to be a politician in their country. Republicans are also caught with their hands down Ukraine’s pants like Lindsey Graham.Ivan is the Slavic name for John. But the northern one is Ioan.
>>18588992Are you saying the catholic church is the whore of babylon? The whore of babylon needs to at least survive towards the end times to actually deceive anyone, and the way things are going the catholic church is going to be nothing but a glorified marriage service in 1-2 generations, if that
>>18589008We’ve been living in “the end times” since Jesus rose from the dead
This Ioan form of John is important to me because the Jews only like Ivan because it is Slavic. The little Russia that they want to use to attack Russia with.They want to use all the stuff Obama and the Clintons did to blame Russia because the Jews want revenge and they are using gay lgbt communists to do it and God only knows why. Ioan is like Eon with an a sound in there.The Second Antichrist is only supposed to come a thousand years after Jesus comes back alive form heaven and disposes of the First Antichrist only after he sits in the temple for seven years after rebuilding it. The Roman Catholic Church is the only Christian church who goes around using Islam, Judaism, and the Cros symbol together, showing that they are equal partners and therefore their church’s womb is giving birth to another Savior (Jesus Christ means the Word made flesh, so if you combine all of these symbols, you have essentially said your Christ is the Koran and the Talmud and Catechism all made flesh).The Roman Catholic Church has committed crusades, violating Jesus’ commandment to leave people alone if they receive not the gospel, and the Spanish Inquisition, the papal wars, they have murdered the saints and many people or conquered them in the name of Christ Jesus violating Christ Jesus’ commandments to share the gospel, not use it to murder people. They created Protestantism also leading to Oliver Cromwell killing Roman Catholics. It’s their own stuff. Christianity always existed outside the Roman Catholic church.
>>18589008I’m saying her and her daughter harlot churches are the whore of Babylon. But I also recognize she’s one flesh with these other religions. So that means Israel and Islamic countries are, too. Mainly the Koran, the catechism, and the Talmud.I’m not worried about the whore.
>>18588964The Catholic Church used to have genuine political power, now the Vatican is just a really upscale performing arts center dogged by pedophilia scandals. There's no point in committing "institutional suicide" when the institution is, at its core, now a complete farce.
>>18589072Political power aside, you can't drop a turd like Vatican II that basically gives Muslims and Rabbis a free pass. I'm not saying going on a crusade, but you can't go "Uh, you guys believe in our God or something, so you're cool to do what you want. We'll even let you be in our countries to spread your garbage everywhere".
>>18589083The reason for their concessions to former "pagans" / Jews is directly tied to their waning political influence. The Vatican has no choice now but to play nice with everyone and put on a progressive face because its been reduced to a purely ornamental fixture that lacks the ability to resist such things even if it genuinely wanted to.
>>18589087I think its more malicious 2bh. I don't want to shit on Catholics, but the church has long been subverted from the inside for this exact kind of thing.
>>18588964Vatican II was a valiant effort to try and bring the Catholic Church into the modern secular age, but it was ultimately in vain. The role of moral busybodies who tell everyone how to live belongs to the state now, and the state is not going to give up that power any time soon.
>>18589072Oh really? They aren’t the ones behind all this nuclear talk? Idk it still sounds like it to me.They have the most members in their church worldwide. When we made America first, Trump was nearly assassinated in the head over and over till he started regurgitating Israel first talking points. Now even Alex jones.Like I said, they are the whore of Babylon, and she is one flesh with Judaism and Islam, the Koran and the Catechism, and the Talmud.Jew rule the world. Charlie Kirk’s wife was Roman Catholic btw.What about the kings? And whoever he gets to be their “friends”. I don’t like the new Islamic New York City and Islamic London.The Bible prophesies that a king will return, and it will be from a wounded head that miraculously recovers.Revelation 13:3 states:"I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast."Later in the chapter, a second beast (the False Prophet) commands the earth to build an idol to honor the first beast, describing him as the one "who was wounded by the sword and lived" (Revelation 13:14).There is historical references such as Nero who committed suicide as Roman emperor with a stab to the neck/head. Revelation 17:9-10, the Bible explains that the seven heads represent "seven hills" and "seven kings" (kingdoms) (Rome).
>>18589109Does this look "mortally wounded" to you?
>>18589109The Beast is desirable, and all the things you listed aren't. A bloated retard chump like Trump is not going to be their ace in the hole for mass desirable deception. It comes in the form of salvation and good, not abrasive retardation that draws mass hate. >And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
>>18589114Like I said, they got to Trump enough that he caved to the Jew.I look to the one named Yan , which is the Northern form of Russian John. The actual chad Russian Putin could be proud of that’s Christian. Go back to Ukraine, Ivan.>>18589130“Trump chump.”Lying serpent. Trump has gold bedroom and toilets. He has a supermodel wife and has had many before him. He lives in a loft. His appearance is all artificial. The beast is also a lie, you forgot to add.It doesn’t matter that they took an elephant and scared him into submission.
>>18589155Deliberately avoiding the point that in order for mass deception to work, it has to be desirable. Trump has no desirability and idolatry doesn't put on a sign that says "I'm idolatry" like Trump does. You seem to think that The Beast is going to go "I'M EVIL", when obviously that's not how it's going to be.
>>18589102>bring the Catholic Church into the modern secular ageBut isn't it obvious that this doesn't work? People don't want their church to be modern and secular, and evangelicals are doing much better by simply screaming into their mic that God hates fags and that modernity is evil
>>18588992>>18589010>>18589045>>18589109>>18589155Meds. Now.
>>18589174>and evangelicals are doing much better by simply screaming into their mic that God hates fags and that modernity is evilAre they really? >People don't want their church to be modern and secular,What's really happening that you don't recognize is that religiosity is declining, everywhere, as it has been for the last two centuries.People aren't getting more religiously conservative. They are more secular than ever. The only people left still going to church are the hardcore trads, everyone else has moved on.
>>18588964>>18589083>>18589102Vatican II was a mere ploy, it did nothing to change the Catholic Church’s dark goals.
>>18589258FYI the US founding fathers were deist Freemasons, so it’s kinda silly for an anti-Freemason to care about the US constitution
>>18589243No, I am going to the arctic and you can’t stop me. Not even your nato flag.Islam and the Koran is just literally a catechism / Talmud for ishmaelite semites. It’s a commentary or kabalah / cabalism for Arabs to radicalize them into Arab crusadism just like the Talmud radicalizes Jews into crusading Jews and the catechism is the same thing for Catholics and it pisses off Protestants enough to cause them to crusade against Catholics. It’s just what satan does. And right now. They are pressing hard for Israel to be mad with Russia and US to be mad with Iran because of that war for oil.Trump should just realize we can’t control the whole world and control what we can and what is ours and stop trying to marry Israel. Israel right now is like your next door neighbor who is sueing everyone and you know that’s not your real wife. I’d rather thank God for Putin and Russia and china for hacking the election because they are just showing how gay our own country is and Biden and republicans with their hands down Ukraine’s pants because they love the whore of Babylon. You aren’t fooling me. You are claiming there has to be mass interest in someone to follow. But at the same time you are using all of this to follow. If you’re mad at me for not following you, it proves I am onto something.
Consequently, the true bible for Muslims is actually the bible, their original Abraham is father and true holy book is the kjv bible to become Christian. And stop following commentaries on the bible, which is all the Koran is.I would even go further than Yan and say the name of John is Yah.And his throne is in the north of the north like the Bible says.John means God is Gracious.Which is why it points to Jesus Christ who did the work for you.The enemy keeps pointing back to the Mediterranean. But the friends were in Russia.Israel expanded too quickly and bit off more than they can chew. They didn’t expect Iran to close Hormuz. Back when it was just Gaza and getting out the Muslim cartels that were digging tunnels under their schools and sending bombs and drugs, it was okay as self defense. When they started doing this stuff and saying bad things of the Us and Christians they didn’t expect us to hate them and not like trump’s forced Make Israel Great Again.Meds is the exact opposite of what we need right now. We need Russia and China to tell Israel to behave.
https://www.alexjoneslive.com/2026/07/21/must-watch-learn-why-alex-jones-now-supports-a-global-nuclear-war-leading-to-armageddon/Alex Jones is losing it. He is so mad he is cursing and just giving in and saying what they wanted him to say, that he just gives over completely to trump and total nuclear war with Russia and Iran for Israel. Cuckooo! Trump is the one who started it, saying Iran was cuckoo. Nope, it’s been Israel the whole time, from the start. It’s been Democrats inside the US from the start pretending to be gay communists for Israel.It would actually be better to just lose the strait of Hormuz and let what happens, happen, and let Israel deal with their problem.
>>18588964They've given up on the west. The jig is up for them in the West and they know it. They would have to rethink their faith, if they wanted to regain any credibility. But they do not have the creativity for that. So their solution is to pander to the illiterate in Africa and undermine Europe in the process. Essentially, back to the roots.
Make Russia, China, and Ancient Egypt or Africa Great Again. Spank Israel’s dirty whore ass.I’ll be waiting for my true pure bride to repent and come back to me in my gospel kingdom of sound New Testament churches. Thanks.
>>18589612But they also gave up on latin america and allowed neopentacostal pastors to absorb all of their followers with 0 resistance. When that arrives in Africa they're going to lose that continent too
>>18589635yep essentially what's going to happendeserved for the lack of creativity; could have at least tried to come up with something new and fun but no; instead they'll lazily pander to illiterate mouth breathers
>translate the bible into languages laymen can actually read and understand>increase literacy rates to close to 100%>people have access to the knowledge of every corrupt unbiblical thing the catholic church has ever done>suddenly the rabbinic priest class falls out of favour total Protestant victory
>>18589661>>increase literacy rates to close to 100%To be fair that also hasn't been great for protestants anywhere other than the US
>>18589008True, it's not like the church survived roman repression or the antipopes or protestantism, it's just going to roll over and die because church attendance is down in some countries
>>18589688It survived protestantism by launching the counter reformation and getting its house back in order. Right now they seem to be going>nuh-huh, it has been an utter failure so far, but we'll stay on track, you're excommunicated if you complain too much
>>18589702Exactly, purging heretics that refuse to acknowledge the validity of ecumenical councils is a good way to get your house back in order. The church has allowed these wounds to fester for too long
>>18589712But they won’t do it since the church has no real political authority anymore.
>>18589312Around 95% of the roughly 250 founding fathers were considered Christians and not Deists. Maybe 20% were known Freemasons. Find a new grift.
>>18589830>Maybe 20% were known Freemasons.Christians can be Freemasons anon, but when you get to the higher degrees they don't tolerate trinitarian autism but none of the founders were Catholic anyways
>>18589830>Thomas Jefferson wasn’t a Christian, it’s just a coincidence that he called Jesus’ virgin birth a “fable no different from that of Minerva being born from the brain of Jupiter,” cut out all references to Jesus’ divinity and miracles in his copy of thee Bible because he considered those things ahistorical, and was attacked by his opponents for rejecting the Christian faith.
>>18589835*was not wasn’t
>>18589830A lot of Deists still went to Church and read the Bible anon, they simply treated Christianity as a whole as evidence of a Deist God instead and silently rejected Biblical claims that could be tested and debunked like talking snakes. A lot of Christians today are effectively Deists anyways
>>18589833The Carroll family counts as Catholic. Fair enough on Freemasons being evil. Some of them have plausible deniability on the occultism.>>18589835Yeah he was one of the few who weren't Christian.
>>18589842I would argue a lot of people get a lot of core tenets of Christianity right despite whatever their denomination decides to sperg out on that week.And the ones who are above the miracles are the lukewarm who will be spewed out. They are the modern Sadducees.
>>18589833>but when you get to the higher degrees they don't tolerate trinitarian autismdont they?
>>18589872IIRC 33rd Degree/Scottish Rite Freemasonry rejects the Trinity, which made Catholics seethe enough to run smear campaigns on them and are basically the source of most Freemason conspiracy theories, the Anti-Masonic party etc
>>18589875where is this stated by freemasons or at least corroborated by someone?
>>18588964>My understanding of Vatican II is that it was done to increase church attendency rates among young people.Wrong, it was a deliberate psyop to destroy the potency of the church and there's still an ongoing project to dismantle the power, influence and legitimacy that could safeguard 2 billion people against technocratic tyranny.I'm not a Catholic, but it's obvious.
>>18589878The Catholic Church's stance on Freemasonry is pretty clearhttps://www.catholic.com/qa/what-does-the-church-say-about-freemasonry
