How Christianity benefited europe when greek and Rome have already created empires,art,statues etc. of course Christianity is better than islam because look at Persia. Also I don't think Israel would have existed in modern world without the mass believers of Christianity in Europe.
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>>18598088>800 year dark age since the death of Julian to the middle ages and even more till the renaissance >good
>>18598103>JOOlianhol' up.
>>18598111>JEWsusWait a minute
>>18598088christianity was the BLM of it's timeeurope flourished once again once it started rejecting jewish morals and ideals and began looking again at what are now considered pagan greek and roman ideals
>>18598141>began looking again at what are now considered pagan greek and roman idealsExcept that all these greek and roman ideals/philosophies were well known by the time of Jesus. If anything, Europe lost the original Christianity and then rediscovered it. For example, many say Christianity incorporates Plato's forms. And Plato wasn't rediscovered again until Pletheon.
>>18598088Yes.
>>18598154Lol so retarded yet so confident. Keep it up mein christcuck
>vgh greek statues Well a pagan nation does still exist today to compare to.
>>18598088>How Christianity benefited europeSame way it benefited african shitholes: not much, except for a new way to part fools of their money
>>18598088christianity provided the moralityancient greece provided the wisdom science and artancient rome provided law engineering and administrationaltogether they form what we consider western civilization
>>18598272the morality has now become cancer
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>>18598245Right: Germany 100 BC.
>>18599655kek
im the unelected Christian masculinity dictator of the world i'm the face of anti-feminism and right wingi'm like nietzsche you know im basedim the face of masculinity im the face of meni'm going to take over the entire world and make it great again
>>18598088>Rome changes religion every sunday based on the personal cult of the strongman in charge>Christianity brings stability, bishops are loyal agent of the state, the empire is united instead of bickering over everyone's local temple being superior to the next city
>>18600492Wtf you say, stop to spread bullshits
>>18600670SAAAAAAR
Saar, you must abandon Semitic desert gods and worship only Aryan gods like Vishnu. But first you must let Vishnu's followers into your country, saar.
>>18598180Pakistan and Bangladesh (both of which are just Muslim India) are non-pagan and they still have the exact same fucking issues. Indian Christians also exist and they are just as filthy as the rest of India. So it’s not a religious issue but rather a racial one.If you want a better example of what Europe would look like if it remained pagan, look at Japan. They are doing far better than your Latinx shithole
>>18601844How do you think Japan arrived at our idea of an ideal nation? Who do you think they modeled themselves after?
>>18601855The Chinese, who prior to communism were also a pagan society given that Buddhism and Taoism are pagan religions
>>18601844Athens and Rome were ideal pagan societies, so Christian societies modeled themselves after Athens and Rome. Christianity was understood as an extension of Athenian philosophy, with the Reformation making it more Nordic.Then Japan fashioned itself after Christian European societies in every way.When mass secularization arrived in Europe, it went through the convulsions of bolshevism and fascism, two suicidal world wars, and then a dreary end-state of pagan cults where the river and lightning gods have been replaced with COVID masks, Obama, and FIFA matches.Modern European superstition around masks and football matches are a return to pagan behavior.
>>18601858wrong, they modeled themselves after Christian Europe.
When the modern European man cries and screams and tears his hair out because when Ngubu kicked the ball, the wind blew the wrong way and the ball missed the net, that is a return to the pagan behavior of crying and screaming and throwing yourself into the bog because the auguries over the lamb entrails foretold a bad omen.
>>18601863Japanese society and culture has more in common with pre-communist China than it does Christian Europe.
When the modern European man gets in your face and starts recording you and threatens to report you to the police because you didn't wear a mask which meant you were breathing evil miasmic demons into his body, that is pagan behavior.
>>18601870everything we admire about Japanese society arrived there from Europe. The Meiji government modeled themselves after Great Britain, not China.
The Japanese army system was first French, then Prussian after Bismarck won the war.Their navy, railways, and postal system was modeled after the BritishTheir constitution was PrussianTheir education system is French.They wore top hats, tailcoats, and danced in ballrooms to Viennese waltzes.
>>18601870>>18601858Eating beef was banned in Japan due to Chinese superstitious bullshit and it only ended when Emperor Meiji publicly ate beef after seeing superior European physiques and their meat-heavy diets.The Europeans were less superstitious because they were Christian.A Christian may believe Christ came back to life, but a pagan believes there's a demon living in the cow.
>>18601879Belief in flying magical rabbis, the creator of the universe focusing his attention on one specific tribe of goat herders, and virgin births isn’t superstitious?
>>18601874No, it’s from China. Cleanliness in Japanese culture comes from China
>>18601906None of that was essential to Christianity. You should try learning what Christianity is and why people like the Vikings converted. It wasn't because they liked flying rabbis.Christianity was a prescriptive religion, it ordered a certain morality and lifestyle, it required faith in the Lord and the following of a righteous path. It had norms, it had a sense of right and wrong.You can see why this would appeal to Vikings. They were Aryan and enlightened enough to grasp that it would be better for their people to embrace morality and rigorous faith than to stumble around blindly in the dark like a Chinaman scared of eating beef because there might be a demon in the cow.Chinamen were not evolved enough to grasp that their superstitious paganism was literally turning them weak and effeminate
>>18599655>if it wasn't for jewish morals europeans would be completely lost
>>18601910see >>18601877How boring and empty-headed of a person do you have to be to think the only reason Japan is cool is because it's clean? How low are your standards? If your shithole neighborhood is dirty try getting a job and moving to a nicer one.
>>18601860>with the Reformation making it more Nordic.I hate this board so much.
>>18601918>stop adhering to "jewish" morals>begin importing zillions of muslims
>>18601930Fuck you niggerfaggot. Luke was Greek, Luther was German. The Reformation was an articulation of the Nordic conception of Christianity and a rejection of Mediterranean papacy.
>>18601948Whatever makes you feel better about yourself I guess
>>18601863this depends entirely which time you place this Japan of yoursJapanese civilization has existed longer than the Japanese has been in real contact with christiansit was pretty brief period when catholics tried to christianize the country and got kicked out or killed
>>18601917NTA but you assume vikings and other nordics converted entirely willingly which was not the case
>>18601956you only have snide remarks because you know I'm right. Get over it, things can be Nordic.>>18601962everything Meiji was modeled after Europe, see >>18601877They eat beef because of Europeans and defeated the Russians by modeling their military after Britain and Prussia.
>>18601966I think you have that mixed up, the Norse themselves wrote in their chronicles stories of eagerly converting pagans to Christianity in Orkney.And even if you say it was Charlemagne that pressured the Norsemen to convert, then you have to deal with the unavoidable reality that post-migration period, we have centuries of power being absolutely concentrated in the hands of Franks and Anglo-Saxons, starting with Clovis and cemented with Charlemagne, and each one of them making the choice to take the baptism.If Clovis and Charlemagne were converting under duress, who exactly is to blame at that point?
>>18601973*The elites willingly converted, the majority of the populace didn’t and had Christianity forced upon them. There’s the fact that the state had the audacity to outlaw paganism and institute penalties for worshiping the Aesir.
>>18601967you are right on meiji being basically copy of European societies (or in this case, maybe more like anglo world) but Japanese culture is much more than Meiji is.Also I am not sure how much you can attribute christianity directly (and I mean directly in very straight terms, of course christianity is the answer why things ended up this way) to what the anglo system ended up being. Is it culture or christianity? European societies really have very different ideas of perfect systems and they just sort of happened for economical and political reasons to be almost the same. British dont have a constitution, the France has very republican system, Germans have very hierarchical and technical system that is old fashioned and slow to change, southern europeans have very family oriented society where state seems to not have that much grip over them, nordics have very free but at the same time very conformistic society and laws which the state or supranational governments and organizations give them are like the law of moses...Korea has arguably more christian influence than Japan but you wouldnt really believe it if you didnt know about it
>>18601978In my perspective that is basically a good thing and one of the benefits of Christianity. If you want a functioning modern society, people can't be encouraged to believe there's a demon in the swamp, at some point the swamp may have to be drained.The Netherlands is like mostly reclaimed land, that couldn't have been accomplished if they all still believed the rivers and lakes were filled with fairy nymphs
>>18601985>you wouldnt really believe it if you didnt know about ittrust me, I know about it. The Koreans here walk down the street singing about Jesus.I guess I believe that Christianity is a moral code and a faith in the Lord and his book. So the Anglo, French, and German systems of society, something inevitably intertwined with morality and faith and oaths of allegiance, are far more representative of their Christianity than if they were making superficial outward proclamations of religion, like painting crosses and pictures of Jesus everywhere.I don't believe Christianity made Europe great because it made them superstitious about flying rabbis and desert Jews. In fact the opposite.
>>18602004So you hate the environment then? Ok then don’t complain when an AI data center is built near you.
Most of Europe outside the Mediterranean was colder Africa pre-Christianity.
>>18602111Nope, the Celts and Germanics were already on their way to build settled cities regardless
>>18602107Do the Dutch hate the environment because they drained their swamps? Why are you even using a computer?
>>18601918>Ignores the morality of Jesus ChristEvery time. Enjoy the fruits of anti-christian morality.
Christianity did not civilize the Europeans, it was a consequence of their civilization. Man can remain a pagan fearful of Olympus only so long as he can't take a $100 plane ride over Olympus. It's the mark of a severely mentally retarded populace to remain fearful of cows and elephants and rivers into modernity.
>>18598088>Europe under Christianity creates a fantastical age of heroes, legends and the most beautiful art in the world and then later is blessed with massive riches and technological innovation>Europe becomes Atheist and instantly everything goes to shit and becomes uglySexual immorality ran rampant in rome because paganism doesn't properly address morality. Boy fuckers unironically destroy civilization Also why do you forget about Byzantine?
>>18602118Germany had no cities in Roman times except the ones in the Roman-controlled parts which they founded.
>>18602650They would have developed them.
>>18598088No difference, in my opinion. Christianity only put fuel the fire. But the causes had already been established 300 years, before Christ was born.
>the Greek and Roman art:
>>18602243just like most christians
>>18600701ASSORATA NEGRO EBREO
>>18601938Virtually all foreigners are imported by christians and jews.
>>18598088It didn’t really change much for Greece and Rome, but it definitely empowered the Germans the moment they embraced it. Pagan Germany was being pushed west by the Slavs, it would be Charlemagne and his successors that would reverse this course.
>>18598088Look at the Cathedrals of Europe and tell me paganism was better.
>>18604019Wrong, Church-orchestrated asylum migration is only a small fraction of immigration.Most immigration is people coming to work, then their extended families are allowed to come with them, then they have kids. There are also diversity lotteries, illegals can get amnesty.The rest is asylum/refugee naturalization, but the Church is just a pawn of the government in that case, it's the government that funds it and oversees it and it's the government that could stop the Churches from doing it at any time.These are governments that came into power democratically after the masses secularized and stopped going to Church or reading the Bible, and reverted to pagan superstition over things like sportsball and COVID and evil greedy billionaires, who have replaced demons and warlocks.
>>18604170>Most immigration is people coming to workFacilitated by churches and synagogues. I live in the bible belt, anon. Every devout christian you meet will brag to you about the immigrants at their church that they've helped bring here. And essentially all of the NGOs that lobby Western governments to admit more immigrants and set up infrastructure for importing them are christian or jewish or both.The average pro-immigrant atheist has spent zero seconds and zero cents on importing them. Meanwhile the average "nationalist" christian regularly house sits for a family of Guatemalans he helped find jobs in the US and sends his kids to a third world country every summer to do unpaid manual labor for shitskins.
>>18603823>>18604193>Flood of immigrants brought in by corporations and the government doesn't existEvery time.
>>18604167You can reduce Christianity to an aesthetic preference but it's the wrong choice.
Russians adopt Christianity because we were like hey this Christian stuff is neat. we can actually write and keep record of things and we get useful business contacts with ERE which was then superpower of Western world.
A Jew buck broke Evropa and you'll never take that back. Have some humility white boys.
>>18604795Aesthetics are downstrem of culture.
