So why doesn't God just make all humans perfectly sinless like he did for Mary, Blessed Virgin, Mother of God, Queen of Heaven, the Madonna, Queen of all Creation?
>>18598975because then israel wouldn't have subordinate nations to kill
>>18598975Mary remained sinless by her own choice and sheer willpower, not because God made her sinless or forced her to be so.Maybe you should try to be more like her.
>>18599002wrong, she was born without original sin, unless you want to want to say all babies do something immoral while being born except for her
>>18598975because it’s greater to learn from imperfections than to be perfect from the get go
>>18599015So God can sin and is imperfect?
>>18599012WhaWhat about the rest of her family, was her mom sinless too?
>>18599017God is not subject to the laws of man also I’m not a christian
>>18599012Do Catholics unironically believe this? Lmao
>>18598975The cult of Lilith.
>>18599031>God is not subject to the laws of manso>"it’s greater to learn from imperfections than to be perfect from the get go"is subjective choice made by god then? god btfo
>>18598975All Jews are born without sin.
>>18598975only one was without sin, and it was not her
>>18599020No
>>18600596Catholics hate the bible because it has a passage where someone praises Mary and Jesus rebukes him and then explicitly mentions the importance of scripture.
>>18600576jews believe we are all born without sin
>>18600812shit my bad I'm not OP that was left over from my thread
>>18600797what verse/passage?
>>18600828Luke 11:27As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd called out, “Blessed is the mother who gave you birth and nursed you.” He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
>>18600596Luke 1:28.καὶ εἰσελθὼν πρὸς αὐτὴν εἶπεν Χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη, ὁ Κύριος μετὰ σοῦ. And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.κεχαριτωμένη is the perfect passive form (state of being) of Χαριτώ (I bestow grace)The only other time a derivative of Χαριτώ is used in the New Testament is in Ephesians 1:6εἰς ἐπαινον δόξης αὐτοῦ ἧς ἐχαρίτωσεν ἡμᾶς ἐν τῷ ἠγαπημένῳUnto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son.ἐχαρίτωσεν is the aorist indicative active (completed action) of ΧαριτώOf course, Ephesians 1:6 on its own doesn't give us much, which is why we need 5 and 7 to make it work.προορίσας ἡμᾶς εἰς υἱοθεσίαν διὰ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ εἰς αὐτὸν κατὰ τὴν εὐδοκίαν τοῦ θελήματος αὐτοῦ εἰς ἐπαινον δόξης αὐτοῦ ἧς ἐχαρίτωσεν ἡμᾶς ἐν τῷ ἠγαπημένῳ ἐν ᾧ ἔχομεν τὴν ἀπολύτρωσην διὰ τοῦ αἵματος αὐτοῦ, τὴν ἄφεσιν τῶν παραπτωμάτων, κατὰ τὸ πλοῦτος τῆς χάριτος αὐτοῦ5 Who hath predestinated us unto the adoption of children through Jesus Christ unto himself: according to the purpose of his will:6 Unto the praise of the glory of his grace, in which he hath graced us in his beloved son.7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the remission of sins, according to the riches of his grace,Catholics and most Protestants (Evangelicals being the exception) note Ephesians 1:5-7 uses χαριτόω (to grace/favor)—the same root as Luke 1:28's 'kecharitōmenē' for Mary. The passage describes believers in a state of grace through adoption as sons of God, paralleling how Mary was addressed as graced before the Incarnation was announced.If she was already graced before even being told that she will be the mother of the Son, her sinlessness is already implied by the text.
>>18598975who would he eternally torture if he did that?
>>18600856If Mary was divine and perfect she would have turned the water into wine instead of asking Jesus to do it. Jesus literally said anyone with faith could do it so she didn't even had enough faith to do miracles or drive out demons, something even his apostles could do, let alone be sinless and perfect.
>>18600899Checked.Philippians 4:13 I can do all these things in him who strengtheneth me.Matthew 10:1And having called his twelve disciples together, he gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of diseases, and all manner of infirmities.You seem to be conflating divinity and miracleworking with being sinless since conception, which is not how the Immaculate Conception works.It would not make sense within the Scriptures for Our Lady to do these things long before God gave the authority to the apostles to carry them out. And speaking of Cana, it is her faith in her Son what compels her to ask Him to do something for the spouses and His obedience to her what gets the whole ball rolling.John 2:5His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
jews are behind it, they want to assert that the mother of Jesus is the source of divinity, and by extension all jews are the embodiment of divinity. The sad thing is that they will probably be successful because they've subverted the leadership and the flock don't know the source material well enough to see through their schemes.
>>18599052Catholics are retardsMaria was fully human, and her sinlessness was through her willpower and love for God, not some divinity on her part
>>18598975God needs to spend a lot of resources to make immaculates, please understand. That’s why we’ve went almost two thousand years without new holy scriptures.
>>18598975Isn't this just a pagan tradition that got absorbed into Catholic religion? Kind of like christmas or halloween
>>18598975The truth is, Christianity loses all of its purpose after you realize how unsolvable problem of evil, problem of Hell, and problem of Heaven are for it. If God can create Heaven, a world without any sin, pain, sadness, or suffering, he could have done it. He could just delete every single wicked person from existence without any suffering, and they wouldn't even notice it, and he could create Heaven this exact moment with all the faithful. This way, he'd circumvent all the needless suffering that have been caused during millions of years of evolution. Better yet, as an omniscient being he could have created Heaven from the beginning. As Christianity teaches now, God is a moral monster, who creates beings just for the sake of sending them to Hell to be consciously tormented for an eternity. He has no need to cocktease humans with the material world and its sheer complexity. He has no need for evolution to have lead to humans during millions of years of evolution, while letting animals needlessly suffer. He has no need to make his existence debatable in the first place. He has no need to create sin as a concept and he has no need to punish people for sinning. He has no need to create souls knowing he's going to torture them endlessly, often for the sole sin of being born unbaptized if one accepts the idea of original sin. It's more merciful and loving to not let the wicked even be born, than to let them be born just to torture them endlessly. The only reason he'd do all this, is nothing but sheer cruelty.Moreover, the belief in Mary being someone especially sinless and her having immaculate conception in all-honesty are beliefs wholly invented a long time after the first Christians. Mary wasn't important at all in early Christianity, and her worship only grew in years after her death. Immaculate Conception is also wholly born from a supposed theological problem that was introduced when the Original Sin became a focal point in Christian faith.
>>18598975Because God doesn't govern people. Even without humans, this world was always here and always will exist.
>>18601183Thanks for your post. Do you believe in a God of some kind?
>>18601196Nope, a new age is coming. A new new sky and a new earth God will make. Everything will be 7x greater and evil and suffering will not exist. Happiness will be 7x happier, joy will be 7x more joyful, pleasure will be 7x more pleasurable and everything will be 7x greater.In this awesome new world only the righteous and the holy, the poor and the suffering will be allowed to enter, they will all inherit a lot in this world that they will get to keep forever and ever. New indestructible and incorruptible bodies will be given to us 7x greater than our human bodies. We will be a new species, the special sons of God. We will shine like stars and will run like cheetas and fly like eagles and we will make our nests high up in the holy mountains. All that is pleasurable and desirable, including those amazing things that we don't even know about yet that God has kept secret until that day will be available for us in abundance.We will never be hungry but we will have an abundance of every food fruit to eat. Literal rivers of wine and honey and milk will be given to us.And holy and innocent Angels will worship us and serve us will joy and gladness of heart and do everything we ask them.We will be pure of heart and all our desires will be upright and not a shred of malice will ever be found in us.And there will be no night or day, weeks or months or years but a single continues neverending day in which God himself will be our light and will shine for us for all eternity. And we will delight in worshipping him and it will give us great joy and rejoicing in our hearts to do so way greater than a million concurrent orgasms.
>>18600998Jesus says that even thoughts can be sinful. So you mean to tell me that Mary never had a single sinful thought in her entire life? Mary was sinful, like any other human. Only Jesus was sinless.
>>18601487A thought has stages, it starts with a small idea or urge; saints kill sinful thoughts right hereSinners let the thought take root, grow into imaginings, into sinful words, and finally into sinful actionIf you understand the mechanics of sin, it is very possible to stop all sinful thoughts at their root and trivial to stop them before actionIn the case of the Theotokos, it means she never yielded to sinful thoughts and stayed true to God from the moment she had moral agency to her deathModern degenerates struggle to imagine how this is possible, but that is because they were never given a spiritual education and their culture is designed to make them believe sin is not real and is actually what everyone wants and normal
>>18601496>If you understand the mechanics of sin, it is very possible to stop all sinful thoughts at their root and trivial to stop them before actionSo Mary had this perfect understanding and wisdom when she was an immature child and would have started having sinful thoughts? Get real.
>>18601499>So Mary had this perfect understanding and wisdom when she was an immature child and would have started having sinful thoughts?YesYou realize this was the most exceptional woman to ever live right? Not some average tramphttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Anne (her mother)https://melanievtaylor.co.uk/2018/12/19/the-early-life-of-the-virgin-mary/
Spain inaugurated the Sagrada Familia monstrosity and now the country is on fire. They won the satanic World Cup gold idol and America stole 30% in taxes.
>>18598975Mary was a sinner. She needed Jesus to be saved just like you and me. The fact that Catholics worship a demon called "Mary" doesn't change that reality, it just condemns them.
>>18601792Says the guys with 66 books in their bible. Add another 6 for the flawed humans who worship that false idol they call the word of God, and you get the aberration.
>>18598975Unclear. But then again Catholics don't really think things through before they make them into dogma.>>18599002Isn't this a confirmation of pelagianism, though? That cannot be the stated reason.
>>18601787God hates specifically Antonio Gaudi's architecture because it's not Jewish enough o algo.
>>18601830Fuck you blanquito.
>>18599052>>18600998 It's so funny that neither of you seem to realize that confessional Protestants also agree on original sin.
>>18603312How did anything we said contradict that?
>>18598975Because that would be a pretty lame story to end before it even began. You get to play the role in that story, it's your choice.
In case you havent noticed, God is kinda like a narcissistic fat kid playing the sims. He gets to decide the rules even if they make no sense and he is an utter prick
