Why do Muslims deny Jesus was crucified even though the historical evidence shows that he clearly was crucified and his followers genuinely believed he resurrected from death (regardless of whether or not the resurrection actually happened)?
>>18599790because it would make Christ more divine than Muhammad and it would be curtains for their claim to divine supremacy
>>18599790I find that as a Christian, it's just not worth it to engage with Islam. It's just a negative that adds absolutely nothing to understanding, other than that it was shat out Satan's ass to deceive people (what else is new). Mormonism is the exact same way.
>>18600050You're not muslim saar -100000 izzat for being caught scamming
>>18600056true, i offended the squishy spines. let me delete that and move on from this place
>>18600087Since you came clean, you can have 1488 izzat back
>>18600118I want more
>>18599790>regardless of whether or not the resurrection actually happenedYou readily accept that human perception and reality could possibly not match regarding the resurrection. Why then do you find it hard to apply that same logic to the crucifixion? Also the Quran never denies that this is what some (or even most) people witnessed, in fact it specifically says "it was only made to appear so". That means the historical record matches what the Quran claims was witnessed. Anyway it's not just muslims denying the reality of it, many early Christian groups also have done so. And I am not even talking about only the gnostic ones.>>18599883A man being crucified is not grounds to believe he is divine.
>>18599790Because the quran, hadith, tafsir and their cultures tell them. If they believe otherwise they apostatize and are going to hell/getting murdered>>18599903vid relatedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnNU6gYQh6Y>>18600435>Christian>deny crucifixion Which gnostics? Many believed radically different things.
>>18601277Yes that's true they believed many different things, but without a doubt there were also those who denied the crucifixion. It is a heavily documented fact and we know different Gnostic groups had different theological justifications for this belief. However early Jewish Christian paradigms are historically even more relevant to the actual event plus they don't rely on philosophical argumentation but rather scriptural. As the NT itself records a crucified Messiah was incredibly difficult to accept>but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles - 1 Corinthians 1:23It explicitly reflects how nonsensical a dying Messiah was within first century Jewish expectations. According to the Torah (Deuteronomy 21:23) anyone hung on a tree is cursed by God and Paul agrees (Galatians 3:13) Which is exactly why the devil wielded the promise of divine immunity as a weapon during the Temptation (Luke 4:9–11, Matthew 4:6) Notice how Jesus never denied the validity of the protection promised in that Psalm, his only rebuttal was that one must not put God to the test. For an audience raised with the scriptures + witnessed Jesus performing miracles, openly submitting to a shameful execution contradicted their understanding of divine backing. In fact belief in the crucifixion was fiercely contested from the very beginning even among early Christian converts themselves.>You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified - Galatians 3:1Even if you are going to take the interpretation that this is merely referring to the salvific entailment of the crucifixion it still demonstrates that the foundational meaning of the cross was not universally agreed upon by the earliest Christian converts which leads credence to the obvious implication of doctrinal development. Remember the people Paul is reprimanding were people who knew the tradition/witnessed the early movement firsthand
>>18599790The historical evidence actually shows that Rabbi Yeshua didn’t even exist
>>18599790Before the invention of historical criticism you could very much claim the gospels (Not the Injeel) were fabricated by evil people.
>>18600435>crucifiedRising from the dead Anon.
>>18602481So-called “historical criticism” is pseudo-historical garbage not worthy to wipe my ass and it has nothing to do with this thread.
>>18602407If they deny the crucifixion then they're not Christian. Gnostics thinking Jesus was a ghost or trickster puts them outside the early church. >>18602448>Carrier has entered the thread>>18602481Where is the injeel? May we see it?
muslims are so low iq
>>18599790>historical evidence?No Roman emperor when he was alive talked about jesus.Pontius doesn't left anything about jesus, you met "god" and you didn't write anything about?.And the crucifixion story go against Romans historical evidencesSo the story is an huge bullshit
>>18602797>he was GodOP did not say that.
>>18599790>Why do Muslims deny Jesus was crucified even though the historical evidence shows that he clearly was crucifiedSuch as? Let me see this evidence.
>>18602407>Notice how Jesus never denied the validity of the protection promised in that Psalm, his only rebuttal was that one must not put God to the test.If God genuinely protects those in the right why is Palestine getting rekt
>>18603466Op is a fag like always
>>18599790Muslims have been worshiping a cube for a very long time now, they have forgotten God, and they would prefer to forget Jesus as well.
>>18602708A being that is subject to death at all can never be God. Especially one where death used to have mastery over him and needed to be raised>>18602740>If they deny the crucifixion then they're not ChristianWhy not?>Gnostics thinking Jesus was a ghost or trickster puts them outside the early churchNo it just puts them outside of your early church and your particular flavor of orthodoxy. There was no unified "early church" anyway as was shown with the churches of Galatia, the Judaizers in Jerusalem, etc>>18603588Do you genuinely not understand what an internal critique is? But anyway I suggest you look into why the modern state you're shilling for was founded after WW2
>>18604271If God protects those in the right then he must be against Palestinians
>>18604276How come Job was in the right and yet he had to endure the loss of his health, riches, children, etc?>b-but that means Jesus wouldn't be saved!If you want to call him a liar go ahead and believe that then.
>>18599790>historical evidencelmfao
>>18604271>why not?Because religions have definitions and standards.Can't call a person a muslim if they say mohammad is not a prophet. By your logic that person can be called a muslim. >JudaizersStill professed Jesus was crucified and raised.
>>18604568All scholars of the New Testament, even the secular ones, accept that Jesus died by crucifixion ordered by Pontius Pilate, that his body was found missing from the tomb, that he appeared to the disciples on the third day after the crucifixion, that he appeared to 500 people at once, that he was then taken up to heaven.
>>18599903Jews feel the same about your fake religion
