So how does Jesus being brutally tortured by Jews and Romans to death for standing up against usury, heresy, and corruption in the temples and governments equate to me being absolved of my sin for being born? How does some poor 2000+ year old /pol/ browser getting publicly executed mean I'm saved from sin? How is that any different than the horrific Canaanite practice of Kapparot where they transfer their sins into a chicken (or child) and brutally massacre it so it goes to hell instead of them? I want to be Christian but I can't really understand this very fundamental part that seems to make everyone else go>ahh, that makes sense! Jesus died for me, I'll be Christian nowThere's some part I think I'm not getting. It seems barbaric and like it adheres to ritualistic sacrifice but Christcucks hate anything that resembles pagan sacrifice while Catholics continue to venerate and sanctify people who suffer horrendous deaths as if emulating Christ's death gets them closer to heaven.Can someone help me understand this basic principle that every beaner and hillbilly wigger seems to get without question?
shit happened and gentile fanfic writers equated themselves to the children of David Jesus preached to after said group (retroactively known as judeo-christians, before boomers appropriated the term) was wiped out and its legacy made freely available for wewuzzing
>>18600901>I want to be ChristianWhy? Are you mentally ill?
the world became flesh
>>18600901Because time is an illusion, an eternal being took on human nature and purified it of sin and death by entering into the realm of death and defeating it.But Christ is now the judge of who lives and dies as He has the power of life and death, so in the age to come, anyone that does not follow divine law is getting destroyed forever, as they are not worthy of being in the eternal kingdomRead the gospel of Nicodemus
>>18600901You don't need to understand it, you just have to believe it.
>>18600919Enjoy burning.
>>18600923If you read more than single cherry picked lines from the Bible that fit the agenda of some tithing heretic in the west you would know what I am saying is scriptural
Why is there even a concept of blood sacrifice?
>>18600901>So how does Jesus being brutally tortured by Jews and Romans to death for standing up against usury, heresy, and corruption in the temples and governments equate to me being absolved of my sin for being born?He realized the truth of the world and told it, paying tje price of death for it. He died so you could truly live.
>>18600933Because of the Passover; blood of the innocent purifies sins and provides mercy from judgement and purification
>>18600901Everything is spiritual and God is a God of justice. God created a moral law and he wouldn't be just if he didn't punish criminals. Just like a human is more valuable than trillions of bacteria, God is more valuable than everything he created so God's sacrifice is spiritually enough to pay for all past, present and future sins. When you die, you will go to the white throne of judgement, he's a judge he isn't going to care about all the good things you did, he's going to pass judgement on you over all the bad stuff you did and will require recompense. Jesus paid that fine, so you can legally be spared even though you're guilty but it's contingent on you humbling yourself, confessing your sins and joining Jesus' household, making him your Lord and savior.
>>18600908He finds it comforting, what do you offer by comparison?
>>18600919>Read 5th century forgery as truth
>>18600901>Canaanite practice of Kapparot where they transfer their sins into a chicken (or child) and brutally massacre it so it goes to hell instead of them?No such thing, the Canaanites didn’t believed in hell. The practice you mention was practiced by the Israelites in the OT with God approving it, it has no relation to the Canaanites
>>18601302The canaanite descendants that call themselves jews today practice it, you goober.
>>18600901You’re asking for Old Testament explanation and why it points to Jesus.Hebrews 9:22 kjv.19For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, 20Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. 21Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. 22And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.The Old Testament FoundationLeviticus 17:11"For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."Exodus 12:13"And the blood shall be to you for a token upon the houses where ye are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be upon you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt."Exodus 24:8"And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning all these words."The New Testament FulfillmentMatthew 26:28"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."Ephesians 1:7"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;"1 John 1:7"But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin."Romans 3:25"Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;"The first shedding of blood for sin was God putting our clothes on Adam and Eve. Which they then taught their children.
>>18601465that's just more of a list of examples of other rituals in the bible, not why it's significant or why it's majorly understood by populations that aren't known for theological understanding.
>>18600901It's spiritual law. Jesus was perfect and sinless therefore his blood sacrifice was the last one that ever needs to be done. To inherit that sacrifice you just need to believe in and follow Jesus. Inversely look into what epstein was doing, look into what hardcore voodoo, santeria witches, occultists ect do. They also use blood but it's for demons to gain worldly power
>>18601276Since the other anon is probably not coming back, I'd say from them it's probably sanity.From me, freedom of thought.
>>18600980>God created a moral law and he wouldn't be just if he didn't punish criminals. It would be unjust to punish someone who is not deserving of punishment such as a truly repentant person who wishes he could undo what he did. Also the same moral law allows for the forgiveness of sins without the spilling of any blood, is he now unjust for making the law the way he did? You're saying God is unjust for changing his mind and deciding not to punish pic rel on Earth and in the afterlife?>Just like a human is more valuable than trillions of bacteria, God is more valuable than everything he created so God's sacrifice is spiritually enough to pay for all past, present and future sins.So God literally demands monetary payment but his currency is everything and everyone? Also for God it is completely impossible to sacrifice anything, even the weekend Christians claim was so significant. At any point in time he could have woken up as if nothing happened to him. He merely pretended to be dead since he never lost anything like the ability to walk out of that tomb whenever he wanted.>he isn't going to care about all the good things you didThis is injustice, the christian idea of God is one that entirely composed of rage and wrath there's no mercy whatsoever.>Jesus paid that fineSomeone else paying for your sins is also injustice. Imagine a judge letting a murderer go simply because he decided that his own innocent son was the one who has to be executed instead.
>>18602442>Imagine a judge letting a murderer go simply because he decided that his own innocent son was the one who has to be executed instead.OP here again.This is the part I don't understand.I disagree with other parts of your post regarding God being wrathful/merciless. From my interpretation, He is wrathful to sinners when they wreak havoc on his creation. This realm, the physical Earth, is a realm of material, creation, and building, so this realm contains free will. Free will allows us to choose to stay in the "blissful state" of God (meaning wholeness, fulfillment, and completion) through works that propagate the feelings of wholeness and fulfillment or choose to stray from that wholeness by seeking it outside of "God" or by creating our own fulfillment within this realm. Free will also allows people to choose "sin" (or actions that remove one from wholeness and completion) and thus fall further and further away from God through self aggrandizement, becoming your "own god" or living only for yourself and your own pleasure in a limited physical incarnation.Christ represented fulfillment through the ultimate self sacrifice; allowing himself to be executed in public for the truth of the sinful corruption of the Pharisees and Temple leaders at the time to be exposed. That's the best interpretation I can come up with through a historical lens mixed with my understanding of Kabbalah. That however doesn't explain the more mainstream interpretation where the execution of an innocent person somehow absolves the wrongdoings of others wholly unrelated to that innocent person.That's why I made the comparison of Kapparot; through some scapegoat like ritual where by only the actions of the practitioners are the "sins" (analogous to some evil spirit or negative energy) somehow transferred to the innocent lamb and massacring them in a brutal fashion tricks an all knowing God into sending it to hell instead of the sinners. That's the part I don't get.
>>18600901You don't need to understand anything, the story is an huge bullshit, Romans used to let the body rot to the cross, and not let them removed after a couple of hours.
>>18602346>freedom of thoughtI am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of slavery.You shall have no other gods beforeme.
>>18602692>unrelatedThey are not unrelated, because you have to believe that he did it for you (accept the gift). That is a relationship.
>>18602442Everyone who ends up in hell actually deserves it, everyone has sinned, no one is innocent.Jonah and Nineveh were before the church age (before Jesus) so all of their sins were paid for.Real punishment comes after death, not in the material world because everyone has an eternal soul. When God intervenes in the material world, it's to wipe out evil cultures like in Sodom and Gomorrah but those people who die don't actually die, they change locations and await judgement. If you never return to your maker and confess your wrong doing, you aren't actually repentant, even if you feel bad about what you did, you're still taking the prideful route. Who decides what is just and unjust? It's not you so you posting about how God is unfair is just cope and opinion.
>>18600933because it's real
>>18600901Because Jesus is God and outside of space and time. Him dying is an eternal and infinite act, that touches each and every one of us, regardless of "when" we were born. When is not a factor for God, He is Now.
>>18600901I mean, at no time from Abraham and Moses until Jesus had the Temples not been huge economic centers levying taxes on their subjects and charging for sacrifices, and then slicing off a piece of meat for the priests etc, so this was some idea that Jesus introduced.It held for about 300 years until Constantine after which Christianity too realized religion is a nice vehicle for hoarding up riches and started doing that.
>>18600901Prior to Jesus coming, God commanded the Jews to sacrifice lambs to atone for their sins. Then God, out of love for the world, streamlined this sacrifice offering system by using the ultimate sacrifice, another God (but still himself, I don't quite understand), his son. This way he ended the sacrifice system and you can atone for your sins just by confessing and repenting. It absolutely is barbaric and is a ritual sacrifice. It's just that it's THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE and because of it, there's no need for anymore sacrifices. Hence why Christians were traditionally relentless in wiping out pagan sacrifice practices as they contradict the core tenet of Christianity of their God being sacrificed for the love and good of the world.
>>18604191pure schizophrenic babble
>>18603039>everyone has sinned, no one is innocent.This is just not true according to the bible (see pic, also other places like Job 1:1, 33:9, etc), which is exactly why Christians had to invent original sin. So even people God considers righteous and blameless can be doomed to hell forever for the crime of being born human. This is also why you NEED aborted babies to roast eternally in hell, because otherwise your religion has no purpose.>so all of their sins were paid forLooks like salvation is possible outside of the church, wow who knew that Christianity was useless? Thousands of years of humans being forgiven being recorded in the bible seems not to be enough for you people.>Real punishment comes after death, not in the material world because everyone has an eternal soul.Yeah but these people are saved in the afterlife too because they did turn back to their maker. God decided not to punish them at all because they repented. You're implying that God simply delayed their punishment which is not at all what the scripture states, but even if it did you once again prove that the Christian idea of God is simply incapable of mercy and forgiveness towards fallible beings.>Who decides what is just and unjust?Great so now you're implying there is no meaningful sense of justice outside of God's arbitrary opinion. Theists generally agree that it is grounded in his essence, it's not a matter of decision. We can see among all sorts of different cultures at different times in their history that they agree on certain core principles. Such as the guilty person being the one punished for their crimes. In fact whenever a dictator or whatever decides to go beyond that, everyone condemns them for it. Humans seem to intuitively have a basic idea of justice the same way we do about morals.
>>18600901Christ took the sins of God’s people on Himself willingly. Jesus said “Nobody takes my life from me, I lay it down willingly”. In suffering the cross, Jesus took on Himself the penalty for sin which was merited by everyone who believes. Since their sins were punished in Him, they cannot themselves be punished for them, punishment has already been carried out. Because of this God has promised that everyone who believes will be saved, because by faith alone they have interest in the covenant made by Christ’s blood and enjoy its blessings, namely righteousness and forgiveness.
Thoughts on odin
>>18604915Yes, Thoth is Odin.Wodanaz literally means "Woad-bird", because the "asr" plural root suffix comes from the meaning of "flock" (of birds).The Aesir / Osirians of course belonging to a birdpriest culture whose linguistics were based on birds.And, Thoth helped Isis bear child with Osiris with woad-magic.They are, quite literally, the same priesthood.
