In the Bible, hell is described as a lake of fire and brimstone.Drowning and burning are two bad ways to go, and a lake of fire implies you are drowning AND burning. Brimstone, also called sulfur, is a yellow rock that smells bad.So you are drowning and burning and there is a foul sent in the air, forever? Why would God do this? And it is God who does this and not satan. God throws satan in the lake too. One lake cannot fit all sinners. A lake is not big enough to fit that many people. How do they all fit in one lake? Lol.
>>18601367It's a big lake.
>>18601367>A lake is not big enough to fit that many people. How do they all fit in one lake? Lol.They get squished together or reduced in size by the burning fire. If 8 billion people were pressed into a cube, it would only be about 0.5 miles on each side. There are lakes larger than that in the real world. The people would fit, that's a bad argument against it.The real argument is that its pointless and serves only to make people who like reading about torture and bad things happening to evildoers happy. Its revenge porn for christians, nothing more because christians are vengeful and spiteful and their religion frequently justifies morals by appealing to feelings that anyone who has had a bad time in his life can relate to. Its a scam bro
>>18601377>christians are vengeful and spitefulThat's not true. All they're trying to do is to give you a Get Out of Hell, Free card. But you refuse because you're profoundly evil and spiteful.
>>18601385prove hell is realIs there ANY evidence that anything has happened to someone who died? like fr
>>18601386See? Evil and spiteful. And then you blame the people trying to save you and call them vengeful.
>>18601387>see some natives doing pagan rituals in the woods>think its your duty to "save" them and make them civilizedMany such cases among white peopleYou just think you know what's good for everyone else, and that's one of the oldest tricks in the book to scam people
>>18601387if you're not spiteful then wwyd if there was no Hell? if bad people were never punished and when you got to the afterlife, god said the concept of hell was made up by men.You'd feel betrayed right? because all of Christianity is about god punishing people you dont like lol
>>18601394You're such an evil and spiteful degenerate that you can't even grasp the concept of eternal happiness and think it somehow involves people being upset about your subhuman behavior.
>>18601367God is incredible holy and upright. He Reaaaaaaaaally hates wickness and evil. Nobody has ever given us permission to commit sin. Sin is a great evil thing that is punished severely. God is extremely merciful and patient but once his mercy ends all you will be left with is your worse nightmare X 1000.
>>18601392Don't worry. Jeets don't have to repent for their sins because they're considered as animals rather than human.
>>18601377The fire is the least of your problems, there are merciless angels of punishment there who despise evil people and a neverending number of torture cells where they torture them without pity. God made them without a shred of mercy or compassion for the sole purpose of punishing Satan and his angels.It is said there's 5,000 of them assigned to each soul. So once one is done with you there's 4,999 more waiting to begin.Te worse sins you commit and the more you commit them the worse the punishers that will be assigned to you.
>>18601408How does this system handle extreme cases of masochism, though?
>>18601408>5000 torture angels for each soulyeah sure in your dreams brothey cant even send 1 angel for 500 million believers. The world hasn't seen even 1 (one) apparition since the 20th century kiddo
>>18601411There is 0 ability to feel any pleasure or joy in hell. It is completely void of it.
>>18601386no one has gone to the lake of fire yet because it doesn't get made until the second coming as prophesied in the book of Revelation, go read it
>>18601423So basically masochists get tortured by not being able to reach satisfaction from the infinite pain God inflicts on them?
>>18601414There's 9 billion humans alive, what makes you think you know what they have or have not witnessed in their lives? Angels live with the rigtheous in the earth, and they see them and interact with them every day. But the wicked do not deserve to see them. The only time a wicked man sees an angel is 2 seconds before the angel thrusts his sword through their heart and takes them to Sheol to await judgement.
>In my view, Dante was grossly in error when, with an ingenuity inspiring terror, he set that inscription over the gateway into his hell:"Eternal love also created me." Over the gateway into the Christian paradise and its "eternal blessedness" it would, in any event, be more fitting to let the inscription stand "Eternal hate also created me"—provided it’s all right to set a truth over the gateway to a lie! For what is the bliss of that paradise? Perhaps we might have guessed that already, but it is better for it to be expressly described for us by an authority we cannot underestimate in such matters, Thomas Aquinas, the great teacher and saint: "In the kingdom of heaven" he says as gently as a lamb, "the blessed will see the punishment of the damned, so that they will derive all the more pleasure from their heavenly bliss.”
>>18601428I don't think even thebeoaee masochist enjoys hanging from nails piercing through their balls. And their heads dipped in boiling feces.
>>18601432>uuhhhh but the guy who killed god says that thomas aquinas says .... hurrrrrrr
>>18601367It's extremely unimaginative, which is why you know humans made it up. If an all powerful being truly created a conscious torture chamber, he'd be a lot more creative about it, you'd suffer way way more than just burning or drowning.
>>18601476Retard logic.
>>18601482Yes thank you, Hell is retard logic, a perfect term for a concept dreamed up by simpletons.
>>18601486I don't believe in any god but you're the simpleton. Squarely 100 IQ with little to no theory of mind.
>>18601490>Squarely 100 IQ with little to no theory of mindFire burn the bad people, me very intelligent
>the pale demons have the screaming ghosts of their ancestors trapped in a box, I'm telling you!>and at night they capture the moon and put it in their fucking tents!>one morning I saw one of them rub the skin off his own face with a knife and it fell in white clumps>but he had new skin underneath like a shedding snake!>and these demons, they use their ghost box to call upon giant birds of prey from the spirit realm and bring them foodYeah, ok, Mgumbwe. It's extremely unimaginative, that's how I know it's all made it up. I'm simply too advanced for the elders and their ghost stories.
>>18601535kekt>>18601476you're extremely unimaginative
>>18601535I know you think you're making a point here, but yes, unironically. >box>moon>tents>skinning>snake>birdsHumans trying to make up horror stories using imagery they're already familiar with. They can never describe horrors that aren't easily replicatable on Earth, they never describe an animal that they haven't already encountered in life, they never describe a method of pain or torture that they haven't already seen, they never describe a celestial body that hasn't yet been observed.
>>18601560Holy shit, you really are retarded.
>>18601560>filtered by a basic point
>>18601367>One lake cannot fit all sinners. A lake is not big enough to fit that many people. How do they all fit in one lake? Lol.
Guys I need your help. I've started a new religion and I've managed to get a decent number of adherents, but whenever I ask something of them they never do what I say! I demand part of their income and their total obedience to my laws, I promise them that I'll pay them all back after I die, but when I press them for tithes they all just mumble something about the harvest and shuffle away. How do I convince them that something really really really bad will happen to them if they don't listen to me? Note: I have very little power to actually harm them, and just need to scare them into compliance as easily as possible. Any ideas?
>Guys I need your help. I've started a new religion and I've managed to get a decent number of adherents, but whenever I ask something of them they never do what I say! I demand part of their income and their total obedience to my laws, I promise them that I'll pay them all back after I die, but when I press them for tithes they all just mumble something about the harvest and shuffle away. How do I convince them that something really really really bad will happen to them if they don't listen to me? Note: I have very little power to actually harm them, and just need to scare them into compliance as easily as possible. Any ideas?
>>18601604>Any ideas?Well, don't look to Christianity. It teaches salvation is a free gift. Have fun burning!
>Well, don't look to Christianity. It teaches salvation is a free gift. Have fun burning!
>>18601628>>>/r/eddit
>>>>/r/eddit
>>18601637Nice selfie, retard. :D
>Nice selfie, retard. :D
>>18601646Tumor flaring up?
>Tumor flaring up?
How am I supposed to tell who's winning when they're both basedjacking each other?
>>18601682The rodent lost when I demonstrated plainly that there is plenty of room in Hell to house him and every other piece of trash that dies without Christ, in this image >>18601583, and when I demonstrated that he's not competent at mocking Christianity because he doesn't understand its most fundamental doctrine in this post >>18601617. Any questions?
>>18601617Abandon all hope, ye who failed to pick up one of the limited time offer get out of hell free cards offered by the guy standing near the reception desk. Yes, it turns out that includes the majority of you. Too bad. No, thinking it was an obviously silly scam is not an excuse. No, nothing else you did or did not do makes any difference. God created billions of people and doomed most of them to eternal torment exclusively over whether or not they would notice and pick up one of those cards on their way into the building. That's just how it is.
>>18601694Yes do you have any pictures of kitties in hats?
>>18601710No but I have this.
>How am I supposed to tell who's winning when they're both basedjacking each other?
>>18601707This system is also the most perfect harmonization of justice and mercy an omniscient being could come up with btw
>>18601694Christianity is true!
>>18601737Amen.
>>18601726chapter and verse where perfection was promised to you?
>>18601747Are you implying that a perfect being created an imperfect system? Those flames just got _______!a. Hotterb. Chillierc. Lukewarmd. Comfortable
>>18601434Uhhhh. Do you know how dark that route gets? Nails through the balls and boiling shit burns aren’t gonna be a dealbreaker. Especially if they know they just heal. Now. The big question for me is this. Did God intend for Satan to rebel? Since it seems to me that tasking 5,000 people to torture someone for an infinite amount of time is going to breed some serious resentment among the 5,000.
>>18601377>If 8 billion people were pressed into a cube, it would only be about 0.5 miles on each sideReinventing buddhism from first principles
>>18601755A perfect being is not obligated to take actions defined by a fallen being with flawed definitions of perfection You have no idea what it is to sit in the holy throne and wield dominion over all that is possible, but you sit here congratulating yourself over tiny linguistic victories like it means anything like a gnat celebrating over a pile of dung
>>18602628NTA but you're profoundly retarded. You say God is perfect, invoking a human concept, then immediately dismiss the concept.
The Tenets of Atheism:>1. THERE IS NO GOD>2. I HATE HIM!
The Tenets of Christardism:>1. GOD IS PERFECT>2. I'M A FALLEN BEING WITH A FLAWED DEFINITION OF PERFECTION
>>18602637Define perfection then in a way that encompasses the reality of being a divine beingPro tip: you can't So any criticisms that attack the perfection of God cannot be made because it is impossible to have a working definition of what perfection should beFurthermore, I personally do not claim divine perfection, it is irrelevant to having faith; I recognize divine authorityGod is the king over creation and His will is law
>>18602680>Define perfection then in a way that encompasses the reality of being a divine being>Pro tip: you can'tCan you, though? I can already tell both of your parents breathe through their mouths.
>>18601367God does this because you deserve it
>>18602698Read the last part: my faith doesn't require divine perfection, because I am not arrogant enough to think that I can define what that isMy faith rests on the authority and goodness of Christ, neither of which requires perfection
>>18602720>my faith doesn't require divine perfectionRetard, your argument outright rules out "divine perfection" as a meaningful proposition, so why are you arguing with someone who correctly concludes that God isn't perfect?
>>18602735Because they're acting as though perfection is some sort of gotcha moment when it isn't even the claim being made in the first place
>>18602745>they're acting as though perfection is some sort of gotcha momentWhat right does an imperfect being have to condenm other imperfect beings?
>>18602746Authority over His own creationIf you don't make the measure of what the purpose for what you were made, He has every right to throw you into the lake of fire to be destroyedFurthermore, if you read revelation those that don't make the measure are destroyed, not eternally tortured. The only ones to suffer eternally are the devil and his follwers and false prophets
>>18602735There are an infinite number of digits in pi. To understand its perfection, perfecty, you would need to count every digit. This is the aim of the geometer, and it is an impossible and unfeeling task. However, the goal of the carpenter is to build a table so that he can eat dinner with his family. The carpenter uses a less perfect definition of PI, in order to build his table, and he moves on to live a happy life.
>>18602752>AuthorityThe authority to by a hypocritical tyrant, apparently. Your God is neither perfect nor just.> if you read revelation those that don't make the measure are destroyed, not eternally torturedYou and the other religious retards can debate this among yourselves.
>>18602754>To understand its perfection...You've already ruled out the ability to meaningfully talk about the perfection of things you can't even fully grasp.
>>18602758You are raging over rights that you never hadEither make God's measure or go into the lake buddy
>>18602766I have no more rage against your god than I do against Judge Holden or Sauron or some other fictional representation of evil. I'm even ok with demon worshippers like you, so long as you admit it would be meaningless to say your god is perfect or just.
>>18602771Your standards of perfection are meaningless, you are like a squealing sow in a pen
>>18602789Prove that a god exists. Then prove it’s just the one god. Then prove it’s the Jewish god. Then prove it’s actually 3 gods in one. If you can do this I’ll convert right now.
>>18602789>Your standards of perfection are meaninglessI didn't specify any standards of perfection. You seem to be losing your mind with rage.
>>18602791Ask Him for proof not me, I am merely a man that got his own proof by a private miracleBut again it is called faith for a reason, we're not doing science here; God is an experiential being that needs to be met in His home, the Orthodox Chruch
>>18602752>annihilationismThe reason heretics like you believe in this false doctrine is because at e some level you kinda know you're going to Hell, right? So you have to try to minimize the seriousness of it.
>>18602876> got his own proof by a private miracleIt occurred to me when I was like 13 this was the only thing holding my church’s reverends faith together. Either school or the internet taught me what hallucinations were at that point and other weird extrasensory experiences happen as well but I didn’t see why it was necessary that it is explained best under the Christian narrative as opposed to maybe some future physiological or psychological one. Intuitive happenings like this occur in my life frequently. I will wake up or leave somewhere, just before a friend texts or calls me. I’ll look through a window a few seconds before a car with some family member comes up the driveway. Or I’ll have a reason to think about a number that will appear somewhere irl synchronously. Several people report waking up a few seconds before their alarm goes off. It’s some precognitive function that is doing this. So when some voice tells someone to do something is it god, a devil, or an echo from ones unconscious, or the collective unconscious, or the ether, and so on?
>>18602923God speaks to us through the King James Bible.
>>18602923That's the thing it could be any one of those things; there is an entire world of unseen beings that can visit onto us in the living world through our mindsThe presence of Christ is unmistakable: an uncreated light fills the room and the front of your brain feels like it is expanding to the point where it will explode, but doesn'tI've only had the experience of His direct presence like that maybe half a dozen times and it is always completely different than normal dreaming, which is a dark and unremarkable experience
>>18602941>The presence of Christ is unmistakable: an uncreated light fills the room and the front of your brain feels like it is expanding to the point where it will explode, but doesn'tI've only had the experience of His direct presence like that maybe half a dozen times and it is always completely different than normal dreaming, which is a dark and unremarkable experienceFunny, Jesus appears to me in the pages of the King James. It sounds like you're communing with demons. Good luck with that, idiot.
>>18602944Where did He reside before the existence of the KJV is the real question, as that text is only 500 years old so what was going on for the 1500 years previous?
>>18602936>speaks to usThe only auditory hallucinations I’ve had are hypnagogic (before sleep) and it used to be supportive, but the last many years it is more like endless shrieking laughter. I am an atheist, however so I don’t think these voices are worth considering in a religious way. I’ve felt the presence of Jesus in a room before, not auditory just visual and seemed to have a life of his own. Before sleep there is also a woman most nights now whose presence I feel. It’s not auditory she’s just there. When I used to pray she would catch on fire and start screaming and tell me to stop praying. Channeling her presence was the only way to stop the auditory hallucinations however so I complied. When I was younger I think I exorcised a malevolent spirit in my parents house. In a state of active imagination I suppose I did a rude form of astral projection from my apartment in another city. Normally when I did this I could just see all the rooms of the house. And certain areas would have more energy than others. The concentration of energy in one part of the room was the most disturbed, which through a few sessions I could feel and compel it to dissipate over time. When I was younger this part of the house coincidently had a glass table fall and smash my hand I had to get several stitches. Also the AC unit in this room we kept replacing finally we found one that hasn’t broken after this experience it’s been there for several years now.However I don’t think any of this points to interaction with higher dimensions or angels or demons it seems to be a physiological interaction some neural underlay in the human mind has with magnetism, or perhaps frequencies. If animals can sense hurricanes far away and where to migrate every year there is bound to be a physical theory that can explain it. St the least that seems more interesting than whatever the bible has to say about how to interpret voices in your head.
>>18603025>Where did He reside before the existence of the KJV is the real question, as that text is only 500 years old so what was going on for the 1500 years previous?It's not the real question, of course, it's a red herring. Modern English didn't exist 500 years ago. If you're an English speaker you need an English Bible, and the king James is the only faithful translation available on the market. >>18603026These stories are profoundly boring.
>>18601367Hell is turning away from God's Love forever.
Everybody in this thread is retarded. When you die, you go to Brazil. End of story
>>18604183Those tacos just got crunchier.
Reminder that you don't have to go to hell unless you willingly keep refusing salvation until you die. Your works are not enough.Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. He died on the cross as a sinless sacrifice for all the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then rose again from the dead. One day you will stand before Him, and He will judge you. You can either repent to God by receiving Him and be saved, or reject Him and go to hell for your sins.Rom. 3:23-25: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;”1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9, given by God, Romans 10:8 & 17) only in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place (1 Cor. 15:3-4) as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! (Rom. 8:38-39, Romans 4:5)The gift of salvation can't be earned, it's a gift: Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own works. He atoned for your sins on the cross.www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc
