Biologically speaking, are there multiple human races or one only? And why?
I classify different races by penis size. Black and Native Americans are, for me, the same race, since they have an average of 18 centimeters.
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>>18601996"race" is used to describe a subspecies, whites are also a subspecies. So yes they do exist. All subspecies of human belong to the same species of modern human. Species is determined by fertile offspring. All humans are capable of producing universally fertile offspring regardless of subspecies, this is in contract to hybrids such as Ligers, where only females are fertile, or Mules, which are universally infertile
>>18602020>Species is determined by fertile offspringSo how did Neanderthals and Homo sapiens produce fertile offspring?
>>18602020>"race" is used to describe a subspeciescompletely falseHumans and neanderthals (an actual subspecies) have 99.7% genetic similarity.Any two humans have 99.9% genetic similarity.
>>18602030It's likely that Sapiens-male and Neanderthal-female pairings were incompatible by the time of OOA.
>>18602035If Neanderthals were alive today, we’d be required to classify them as one of us too and not a separate species, drawing the line of what is considered human further down
>>18602049This is unfalsifiable since they're extinct and thus pointless.
>>18602035The stats you cite are dishonest and meaningless; the methodology basically ensures surprisingly high levels of similarity when you compare anything.>>18602049Neanderthals were so different from us that there's literally no way this could happen, which is also why I think considering them a sub-species of Sapiens is completely ridiculous. As was previously mentioned, there existed major barriers to interbreeding, and it doesn't help that they were almost certainly too cognitively divergent for anyone to deny; they likely were likely incapable of producing art and understanding metaphors(among other things). They were much less social, and their brains were specialized for visuospatial ability on top of just certainly being very low-IQ. There's basically no way ANY of them could function in even a neolithic society.
>>18602083>The stats you cite are dishonest and meaningless; the methodology basically ensures surprisingly high levels of similarity when you compare anything.KI forgot that /his/ is home to leading geneticistsSorry
>>18601996>>18602020I am actually a bit conflictive on wether we are different species or different subspecies. Some races of humans have branched off a common ancestor hundreds of years ago, many types of subsaharan african and others like abbos. Even asians and amerindians have split off for long to just say a subspecies. Scientists agree wolves and dogs are different species, having split off 30k years ago. But the khoisan split off 150k years ago, and they somehow are the same species?
>>18602119hundreds of thousands of years ago*
>>18602083There is no reason for believing this, and the art in the indus valley seem to prinarily depict neanderthals, and sapiens only as caricatures. It's equally possible that neanderthals came up with everything, and sapiens steamrolled them by their willingness to copy with no understanding.
Too many esl
>>18601996Why are the Americoid and Mongoloid types considered distinct?
>>18601996It is a completely arbitrary measure. Two Africans might be more genetically distant than a Norwegian and an Indian for example
>>18602486Jews, Arabs, Norwegians and Indians are all considered the same 'race' according to traditional racial science.
There only are socioeconomic factors
>>18601996ACK-CHUALLY, all humans map neatly onto a 8-dimensional hypercube. There are 8 races.
>>18602486>Two Africans might be more genetically distant than a Norwegian and an Indian for exampleOk. And what do you think follows from this? Protip: note how you are unable to make a valid logical deduction.
>>18602498Indians are Aryan is the most logical conclusion, now let us into Europe
>>18601996The field of physical anthropology has more or less concluded races do not biologically exist and that all humans can be more or less grouped as one closely related whole. Phenotypical, morphological, and social diversity non-withstanding (dogs are also like this). And I agree with this.>>18602020Those categories are all somewhat malleable but I don't think one can even go as far as designating any 'racial group' as a sub-species without descending into absurdity.>>18602083It's more or less accepted now Neanderthals had a similar symbolic capacity to ancient humans, though. The evidence pointing toward them making Cave paintings is disputed but not weak. Iirc they also found a carved bone that had to be made by neanderthals in the alps two years ago.
>>18602434> There is no reason for believing thisDNA evidence has basically confirmed that all peoples were significantly dumber prior to the development of food production (agriculture, pastoralism), and there's some DNA evidence indicating that Neanderthals were especially retarded due to their lacking of a modern human allele that massively boosts neurogenesis in the frontal lobe especially, though that particular strain of evidence is disputed.A lack of sociality + a strong visuospatial tilt is supported by both recognized brain differences and, at least for the latter, admixture studies. The inability to understand metaphors is suggested due to brain differences as well.
>>18602434> and the art in the indus valley seem to prinarily depict neanderthals, and sapiens only as caricatures. Source?
>>18602035>99.9% genetic similaritythat is a huge, problematic differenceyour fallacy was assuming 0.1% is insignificant
>>18602826There is no way to know if neanderthal used metaphors, and methapors aren't really needed for communication anyway. >a strong visuospatial tiltMost engineers do. >recognized brain differences Phrenology>and, at least for the latter, admixture studies.How?>>18602840It shows people with eyes on top of the face, and faces covering the entire head.
>>18602035>99.9% genetic similarity.This is the difference between someone who is profoundly retarded and someone who is a genius level individual.
>>18602885a lot of beginning art students draw faces like that and at first find it hard to believe the eyes are closer to the center between chin and top of head.
>>18602037this is sapiens cuck cope to get around how all admixture events that we have evidence for shows neanderthal bulls taking sapiens foids
>>18603188That could make sense, if there also weren't figurines like this.
There's one, the less attractive you are (there is an objective peak, the masses don't know about it) the browner you are, this comes from sin, as you can see in these last days most of the Earth is populated by hellbound brownies who's ancestors were White but then sinned
>>18602020Dude subspecies can't reproduce with one another what do you meannnn?Just cut the bullshit and say you're racist. Actual cowards.
>>18603515Being retarded must be awesome. You can just say whatever you want.
>>18603515one way that the flood might be repeated, is for some group of the lightest of the light to secure themselves within the earth, and having made preparations for many months there, release a virus upon the earth which can target only mankind with complete lethality. Then, emerging from their ark, the world cleansed of darkness, they will once more establish God's kingdom upon the earth.this may sound implausible, but I assure you it is being considered as the only viable means of saving the earth from destruction
>>18602020Talking about fertility, rates of miscarriage shoot up when you get into interracial births.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56889861
>>18602595>The field of physical anthropology has more or less concluded races do not biologically existYeah, we all know. The legacy of post-WWII guilt.
Historically speaking, there were absolutely multiple human races. Their existence is well-recorded and even modern anthropologists regularly cite them.Interestingly, today one of the human species is entering into a death spiral where it thinks it has transcended race and is currently importing various races to culturally elevate them, but they may end up being extinguished.
There is one human race, descended from Adam and Eve just as the bible said.
>>18603807Same bible that ordered the genocide of peoples for lesser crimes than what nons are doing now in white countries
>>18602498It should be pretty obvious that it means race is more closely tied to culture and societal perceptions than something more tangible like genetics you fucking retard
>>18603822>Race is not genetics>Race is culture>Race is perceptionsCan two black people make a white baby? Can two white people make a black baby? What if they had infinite attempts? What if they practiced different culture?
>>18603822Not so subtle troll. Try again.
>>18603765Partially the lgacy of WW2; if you don't want to irreversibly taint everything associated with you do not start and lose a global catastrophe of mythical proportions. It's also not about guilt, that's a false framing. The nexus of these changes was not even in Continental Europe.But getting past that, early 20th century race science was deeply flawed and at least partially reliant on motivated reasoning. Its dismantling was inevitable as the sciences kept evolving. What was not inevitable was the concept's death and enduring radioactivity, that's more or less WW2's legacy.
>>18603844>the concept's deathObjectively never happened.
>>18603844>But getting past that, early 20th century race science was deeply flawed In what way?
>>18603864>early 20th century race science was deeply flawedIt wasnt flawed. Liberals know they lost the argument on race due to the overwhelming scientific evidence.They pretend that the legacy of "race science" was mysteriously and intersectional sabotaging people.They have to do this because for liberals to encounter a boundary they cant overcome through purely material means is a refutation of their underlying assumptions, we will not progress infinitely, we will not achieve a utopian vision, we are soft locked by history and hard locked by biology to forever do illiberal things like the racism and sexism and fascisms.
>>18603864Race scientists of the era tended toward ignoring evidence that contradicted them while privileging evidence that agreed with them even if it was flimsy, they neglected alternative explanations, made many unjustified assumptions, used incongruous standards of data collection wherein one population was subjected to a standard another wasn't and where selection criteria where unequal. And occassionally, some simply explained away results that directly contradicted them. Though there was variance in this.>>18603932Munchkins like this guy only care about it because they think it will launder their positions into acceptability. They're not interested in scientific inquiry, and treat their work as an entirely practical means-to-ends operation; to be realized as cheaply as possible in service of other motives. For example, Murray's IQ studies were largely in service to the goal of cutting welfare to African-Americans because they are just congenitally like that. But you aren't universally wrong, though. The historeographical concensus of today is flawed and just as politically compromised. I'm not a concensus worshipper. Human differences are real, and intelligence is to a large extent heritable.
>>18602885> Most engineers do.Neanderthal brains are significantly smaller than ours when you adjust for the size of our visual systems.
>>18601996No. There are definitely scientifically applicable "Populations" but they are, by the nature of humans being one of the few species with truly global interbreeding, both infinitely divisible and unifiable. Unlike the "sub-species" found today in many non-human animal species, there are no stark genetic "divisions" between well defined populations, only slow gradients between irregular clusters. Humans also suffer from a near terminal case of inbreeding due to a relatively recent population bottleneck, having genetic diversity lower than that of even critically endangered mammal species with small isolated population. A Khoisan and an East Asian (The two most genetically distant human individuals possible) are still less genetically distinct from each other than any two Chimpanzees are from each other.
Why do black nationalists have a deep hatred for neanderthals
>>18604285>launder their positions into acceptabilitypure projection, lefties are always like this, they literally cannot form a theory of mind for non-lefties because they are so hyperfixated on always pushing and infiltrating their own ideas, they cant imagine someone doing something solely for the sake of pursuing what is objectively true, on some level lefties cant do this because they dont believe in objective truth.>theyre not interested in scientific inquriyonce again, more projection.If science was squarely against the "Folk" understanding of race, the "traditional" races of Caucasian, Africa/West/South, Mongoloid/Amerind, and Oceanian/Abo then we would never ever hear the end of it, they would trot it around like their dismal troon banners and black squares.But instead the science is ENTIRELY against the liberal idea of racial equality, tabula rasa, and race being a superficial if not artificial distinction.So the shitlibs like this poster are forced to project themselves onto everyone else.I personally dont have an agenda, I think anything could work because White people can make anything work.>Murray wanted to cut welfare to blacks because of their IQso what?Shitlibs think blacks deserve welfare... Why?Racism held them down?Thats what we were told.then we found out, NO! over half of blacks are clinically retarded by IQ standards and this NOT racism is the cause of their poverty, therefore welfare for blacks isnt rectifying some historical injustice but rather a literal babysit tax Whites must now pay because blacks are too stupid to reach the standard of living Whites did through their own efforts.If you want to give blacks free money, JUST SAY THAT, but you cant because you know what that looks like lol so you hide your anti-White pro-black wealth transfer operation behind a moral case saying "we are fixing historical injustice!"No, youre not, youre taking from intelligent people to give to unintelligent people because of resentment.
>>18604805You straightforwardly said that if racialism is true then liberalism falls apart and fascism resumes, it's means to an end for you. Which is not even true. Liberals would shrug it off like water off a raincoat. They already believe retards should have rights, care, and government support. You may misunderstand them as much as they misunderstand you.I am not going to read the rest. You seem very emotional.
