Muhammad had no qualms about simply making things up or blowing them so out of proportion that they became unrecognizable in order to find some basis for criticizing others. He also accused the Jews of saying Ezra is the son of God. Suppose the only Jews had been in Muhammad's day and they were gone now. You would be making this same argument to say that Jews thought Ezra was the son of God. But we know this is either a flat-out lie or at absolute best an extreme extreme fringe example.The Muslim revisionist history about mass child murders in pre-Islamic Arabia is no different. There's no evidence for it.
>>18602799It's all just stupid bullshit. Besides stoning cheating sluts.
>>18602799Nice, another glass-houses thread. No evidence of the jewish exodus or the virgin birth either. Matthew made the latter up.
>>18602837That comes from Judaism tho.Islam is quite literally just Judaism fused with Ancient Arabian Paganism. Lol.
>>18602842I mean, I was talking about globabrahomo in general, but also random silly shit from Muhammad as well.Also, I remember some anon saying that they put that line into hadiths just in case somebody decided to ban eating chicken, just like pork. Considering all the silly shit this almost wouldn't surprise me at all.
>>18602860Isn't it interesting that Muhammad eating chicken is good enough to prove what Islam allows for chickens, but when it comes to him marrying a six year old girl...
Might it be possible that the Jews Muhammad encountered in 6th-century Arabia had some beliefs which differed significantly from normative Judaism?The claim is bizarre, but when we have so few sources for a particular time and place I'm wary of jumping immediately to "our source just made it up".
>>18602902>Might it be possible that the Jews Muhammad encountered in 6th-century Arabia had some beliefs which differed significantly from normative Judaism?Probably not since we see Muhammad making other fairly basic mistakes about Jewish and Christian beliefs, like mixing up the two well-known stories of David & Goliath with that of Gideon, or thinking Mary Jesus' mother is also Miriam Moses' sister. It's easy to see how someone who couldn't actually read the texts for themselves would make these mistakes. So it's probably just another misunderstanding that Muhammad got because he was unable to engage directly with the sources, being illiterate.
>>18602799>Hythem Sidky and Holger Zellentin identified Uzayr as Eliezer ben Hurcanus, one of the most prominent Rabbinic sages of the Mishnah.[5][6][7] Additionally, Ibn Ishaq's biography of the Islamic prophet Muhammad describes that some Jews of Medina believed that Uzayr was the son of God, and that the Quranic revelation relates to that belief.[8]Okay idiot, and yes they do call him the Son of God and give him basically divine powers
>>18603049>yes they do call him the Son of GodWhere?
>>18603056It's all over the place, pic rel for example where God calls him his son.>The Sanhedrin deliberated about the susceptibility to Levitical uncleanness of an akhnai oven.The majority decided such an oven could become unclean, but Eliezer dissented. As he thus acted in direct opposition to the decision of the majority (though, according to the Talmud, a heavenly voice, a tree, a nearby stream, and the walls of the house of study all agreed with Eliezer's interpretation), it was deemed necessary to make an example of him, and he was excommunicated. Rabbi Akiva, dressed in mourning, appeared before him and, seated at some distance from him, respectfully addressed him with "My master, it appears to me that thy colleagues keep aloof from thee." Eliezer readily took in the situation and submitted to the sentence. According to the Talmud, because Akiva broke the news gently, Eliezer (who had the power to destroy the world) annihilated no more than one-third of crops worldwide and burned only those things that were within his field of view; Gamaliel quickly calmed the tsunami that Eliezer raised that day.[16]How is this not a godman again?
>>18602883>>18602860It is not even proof since Muhammad had more wives than Muslims are allowed to have. He was allowed to break any rule of Islam that Allah allowed him to. So they could just say Allah let him eat chicken and no one else.All the hadiths were written like 200 years after he died by people who did not know him, and the only proof is a chain of narrators that you have to just trust. Like the telephone game, but there is no proof the narrators actually narrated either. That is also hearsay.The Hadith is someone 200 years after muhammad died, and they write, "she told me that he told her that his son told him that his granddaughter told him that she saw the prophet eating chicken."Many hadiths are rejected by muslims too. They pick and choose which ones to believe in, and different sects of islam believe in different hadiths based on their personal interests.
>>18603090Huh? Nothing there calls him the son of God. Did you just search Sefaria for "Eliezar" and "son" and screenshot whatever came up...?And what part of the Talmud is that Wikipedia article getting that from?
>>18603154What do you mean it isn't there? "My son, Eliezer" is clearly underlined right next to where God quotes the legal opinion of the Rabbi
>>18603193It's written quite awkwardly so I may be misreading, but at https://www.sefaria.org/Midrash_Tanchuma%2C_Chukat.8.1?lang=bi it seems to be talking about Moses' son Eliezar, not saying Eliezar is God's son. It says next "He [Moses] told Him [God], ‘Master of the universe, may it be [Your] will that he come from my loins.’ He said to him, ‘By your life, he is to be from your loins.’ Thus it is stated {of Moses' offspring in Exod. 18:4}, ‘And the name of the one was Eliezer,’ [i.e.,] the name of that particular one [who would begin his teaching with Tractate Parah] was Eliezer."Though I suppose the awkwardness here could for sure be where Muhammad got the idea of an Uzayr as God's son if he heard this part of the Talmud or discussions about it. Definitely a good candidate for what Muhammad was talking about, even if he misunderstood.
>>18602841>jewish exodus or the virgin birthAll found in Islam. So why is it glass house? Or can't you defend Islam?
