We're now on Day #24 of my daily US states threads in honor of the 250th anniversary of the country.Mississippi joined as the 20th state on 12/10/1817. Its name is derived from the Ojibwe word misi-ziibi (great river). Its capital and largest city is Jackson. It has a population of 2.9 Million and is 48.4k square miles in size. Mississippi was originally inhabited by tribes such as the Yazoo, Natchez, and Biloxi before De Soto entered the area in 1540 on his ill fated expedition. The first permanent settlement, Ft. Maurepas, was established by the French in 1699. Enslavement became chief to the area early on, even before statehood. A large class of free multiracial people cropped up in the proto-state, though many left when the area was sold to the USA.The Choctaw were allowed to renounce their tribal citizenship in exchange for US citizenship, affecting around 9k. Many slaves were brought in for cotton production, and Mississippi produced more than any other state. By the time the Civil War broke out, 55% of the state was enslaved. Mississippi joined the Confederacy.Race relations have never been good in this state. Some of the harshest Jim Crow Laws were enacted here as the state became infamous for its brutality towards African Americans. Lynching, the KKK, segregation, and racism still remain entrenched in many parts of the state today. A good example is Emmet Till's murder. Interracial marriage would be banned here until 1987, and the poll tax in 1989. It would not ratify the 13th amendment until 1995. Mississippi is the most religious state in the Union. It is also the most impoverished and typically ranks low or last in most categories, and has the lowest standard of living to the point it is often a symbol of mockery. It produces sweet potatoes, yams, and catfish. It is composed of humid low-lying deltas, rivers, and low hills. It's also humid as shit. What do you think of The Magnolia State?
>>18610736The most godawful state in the US. Truly exceptional. Also, the new flag is ass.
>>18610736Post the right flag.
>>18610753The revolution circle reminds me of the Texan secession flag and even Bonnie Blue kekhttps://files.catbox.moe/vgr7sz.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/7y996u.png
In Louisiana we used to say our state motto was “Thank God for Mississippi!”as we were 49th in just about every quality of life statistic and they were dead last.
William Faulkner is one of America’s greatest novelists and he created an entire Mississippi county and multigenerational universe in numerous novels and short stories. Decaying incestuous aristocratic whites, wily white trash, blacks, mulattos, the few remaining natives and the land itself, in a southern gothic stream of consciousness stew with some of the longest sentences in the English language. Not an easy read, especially works like The Sound and the Fury where the first third of the book is from the point of view of a literal retard, but worth it to understand the soul of Mississippi.
>>18610753If only they didn't give us a lot of cool music which kind of makes up for it.
>>18610736>Lynching, the KKK, segregation, and racism still remain entrenched in many parts of the state today.Ok, let's not get carried away here, tranny OP.
A fucking swamp shithole.
>>18610996You’re blind as shit if you think those things aren’t still a problem in this state
>>18611037nta but the last time anyone was lynched was in the 1930s i think
>>18611047Just last year a black student at the delta university was found hanging from a lamppost in the middle of the college. Death was ruled not suspicious. Lynching happens out of sight, but you bet your fucking ass black people get murdered all the time and cops shrug and look the other waySince 2000 there’s been almost a dozen suspected lynchings in the state.
>>18611047Also 90% of KKK members are undercover Feds.
>>18611047Most recent I can find was in Jackson in 2011.
>>18611065Wouldn't even doubt if glowies actually killed those POCs to frame it up as a lynching
>>18611065>>18611073Always someone else’s fault huh?
>>18611047>nta but the last time anyone was lynched was in the 1930s i thinkTechnically Emmitt Till if you count that.
>>18611047The guy you're replying to is Tulsa Tranny/LBJfag.
>>18610736Post the real state flag not this fake/cuck one.
I see the confederatefags are out in full force today
>>18611073To be fair, it's possible that a non-zero number of black missing persons/unsolved murder victims in the South are the results of lynching and racially motivated killings. However it's entirely more likely that those people were killed or "disappeared" by other blacks for gang related reasons.
>>18610736Ah, my dear Magnolia State, thousands of your finest men laid down their lives defending your sacred soil from Yankee vandals, and paid the price greatly with much of the state being reduced to ruins and penury.
>>18611073If actual lynchings still happened, trust me there are tons of SJW and civil rights outfits who would have every motivation to prove they were happening.
>>18610736They changed their flag, but this one I actually like.>>18611058Relax Tulsa Tranny, in America rule of law requires verifiable claims, not suspected.
>>18611113>I see the confederatefags are out in full force today
>>18611047Maybe so but all the way to the 80s, MS cops would just beat or even execute blacks they pulled over at traffic stops and dump them in the woods. They can't really get away with that since dash/body cams are a thing, but it happened long after the civil rights era.
>>18610736>What do you think of The Magnolia State?America's shame.>poverty>treason and war against fellow Americans>inbreeding>methbillies>generations of brutal torture and enslavement of black people
>>18611122You lost, Cletus.
Vicksburg is one of the best Civil War battlefield parks, with a lot of the siegeworks still intact. The river shifted course after the war and left the town as a sleepy backwater so everything wasn’t paved over like with the northern Virginia sprawl. There’s a Yankee ironclad on display, USS Cairo, that was sunk by a mine and later salvaged. Well worth a road trip.
>>18611433Agreed. It’s the last ironclad in the world. Too bad the dumbasses ripped half of it off when pulling it out of the water. Still well worth the visitThe battlefields immaculate. It just goes on and on with so many monuments and shit. There’s old craters grown over with grass everywhere. It’s cool as fuck
>>18611433>The town of Vicksburg did not celebrate the 4th of July until 1943, eighty years after the city fell.[3]
>McPherson and Sherman put their corps into column and set out for the state capital at Jackson. After a brisk fight on May 14, a 6,000 man Confederate garrison was driven out. Total casualties for both armies were about 600 dead, wounded, and missing. Accompanying the Union army was Grant's 13 year old son Fred, who rode into Jackson only to be encounter a column of Confederate infantry marching out of the town. He ducked into an alley and hid back there until they left. The Stars and Stripes was raised above the town, the prisoners in the city jail were released and promptly began helping loot the place, and one wry soldier held up a newspaper containing a boast that Yankee vandals would never pollute Jackson.[3]
>>18611191I hope your bull sees this
>>18611113Make me northern faggot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkIBLw15lA
the lynching of Roosevelt Townes and Robert McDaniels was spectacularly fucked up especially happening at that late date (1937) and the Nazis even condemned it. when literal Hitler thinks it's going too far it says something.
>>18611183That never happened, bro, even though I don't dispute that cops used to be even worse when it wasn't being filmed.
>>18610819>>18610828>>18611110>>18611486>>18611446We have to go back...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu1Jo5C_tdU
>>18611110I like the new one, the old one looks like it's trying to be a CSA national flag and not a state flagbut "In God We Trust" should be replaced with "The South Will Rise Again" or "We Love Slavery" or something
>>18611639Fuck off LBJfag.
>>18610819at least two of those dudes probably punched a black guy in the face on the way to that office that morning
>>18610819>1925There was no Roaring Twenties in the South which was pretty well impoverished and completely medieval back then.
>>18611703Telsabot will be our new "slave" property
>>18611733See >>18611727
>the state legislature didn't actually ratify the 13th Amendment until 2003'nuff said
>>18611122sacred soil of what, Billy Bob? dead last in literacy, HDI, top five for cousin/sister-fucking, # of black people lynched historically, civil rights protesters jailed, shot at, or beaten in the 1960s, meth use, believing in batshit fundie Christian denominations, etc. the only contribution your sorry state ever made to humanity was that some black guys there 100 years ago were good at picking a guitar.
>>18610736The summer weather is mean, it's 85F-95F with 80% humidity for six months every year. The air is like mosquito soup. You can drink it.
this thread didn't go so well tbqh
MS and AL had the worst and meanest forms of Jim Crow.
>>18612267Good to know this OP is just a cuck/tranny. I'll avoid future threads from now on.
>>18612977of course OP is a tranny faggot, he uses the new minnesota flag in his post
>>18612977He just had to go and do that by acting like the KKK is still running around down there today. What's funny is he didn't do it in the thread about Alabama.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/18569287/
>>18613025he could have tried not using the "new" MS flag either
idk how they get away with invoking the R word because blacks are much more integrated into society down there than up north. you see them working all the grunt jobs like driving commercial vehicles, janitors, mowing lawns, digging ditches, working in meat packing plants, cooking food in restaurants, wiping boomers' butts in nursing homes, etc. up north they never seem to have any legitimate line of work.
>>18613059Some folks are just assholes
>>18613842>>18613025Based Southern union and dixiepilled
>>18613842>Abbeville has the unique distinction of being both the birthplace and the deathbed of the Confederacy. On November 22, 1860, a meeting was held at Abbeville, at a site since dubbed "Secession Hill", to launch South Carolina's secession from the Union; one month later, the state of South Carolina became the first state to secede.Southerners were anti-nazis and commiehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_D._Howie
>>18610736I like the new flag but I'm not even sure mississippi is a state. I went from Mobile to the campus of Ole Miss and that place is 90% catfish farms on the absolute goattrails they call roads until trees and the university rises over the landscape like a pyramid. I've never seen a more settled but also absolutely soulless locale.My native Alabama is like 95% forest and is vastly superior. I assume mississippi must've been too before they deforested it to farm catfish and tilapia
>>18610736Third world shithole
The Confederate capital was initially in Jackson before being moved to Richmond after Virginia seceded. The Civil War would have been very different if it had remained in MS.
>>18614799A wasted opportunity to support guerrilla warfare alongside Fabian strategy.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_expedition
hyuck hyuck hyuck
Oy veyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beth_Israel_Congregation_(Jackson,_Mississippi)
>>18614799it would probably be over faster since the focus of the war would be in the West away from the toxic and over-politicized atmosphere in the Virginia theater. that said Richmond would still be a key target as one of the South's major industrial centers.
>>18614799>When Mississippi seceded from the Union in January 1861, Jackson became a key Confederate military and political center. The city was home to government offices, hospitals, and training camps for Southern soldiers. The Confederate States Capitol (a temporary structure) was moved to Jackson in 1862 after Richmond was threatened by Union forces.Why can't C.S. just make Nashville, Tennessee the main capital? It is the strategic winner.While historical Richmond provided immediate heavy industry, Nashville balanced industry, interior lines, and supply lines while forcing the CSA to defend its crucial Western border early. Holding the Cumberland/Tennessee river corridor and keeping Kentucky (fucking Gen L. Polk) in the Confederate sphere would have prevented the early Union deep-penetration campaigns that ultimately shattered the Confederacy from the inside out. A couple of facts: Unlike Richmond (surrounded by rivers like the James and Rappahannock) or Nashville (anchored by the Cumberland), Jackson sits in relatively flat terrain with few strong natural topography barriers directly around the city itself. But Jackson provide a logistics base on retake New Orleans and Vicksburg.
>Nelson's division was sent from Buell's army to assist in the capture of Ft. Donelson and was temporarily under Grant's command, but the fort fell and it was no longer needed. Since the eastern border of Grant's district had not been clearly spelled out, and there was no reason to suppose it couldn't include Nashville, he decided to stretch things just a bit and order Nelson to occupy the city, which he did, several hours after the last of Johnson's army had left and taken whatever supplies they could carry with them, leaving a vast storehouse of food and other army supplies in the city. Dignified citizens of Nashville were coming out to swear they had never supported secession and offering to point out the homes of known secessionists.>Buell was not happy to learn about a division of his own army being in the city ahead of him, even less when Grant sent him a cocky note signed U.S. Grant, Major General. He told Grant that this was incredibly dangerous as Johnson could come back and destroy Buell at any moment. Grant said this wasn't true at all, the Confederates were running south as fast as they could and he believed down near the state line. Buell continued to argue with him, so he finally let it go at that.
>>18614825Virginia had more population and prestige. Tennessee was like 2nd or 3rd in population but if they moved it to Nashville it would fall less than a year as we know how the war went.
>>18614825>>18614958Also to add, Virginia is way more defensible. The largest victory is probably Fredericksburg where they yankees were slaughtered crossing the river into fortified positions. It was reverse picket's charge. Yankees did picket's charge all war long and bled for it. That's why everyone makes fun of their causalities. Cumberland is no place an army wants to be. Appalachians are SHIT for travel and supply. Tennessee is way more exposed than Virginia, with union attacking her from 3 sides. Virginia narrows the front and gives the south more of a fighting chance, which is what they got as they held Richmond until the fall of St. Petersburg.
>>18614958Moving to Nashville would help centralize the structure and fortify the Confederate military post in the west; they needed capable leaders. Heck, this diverts attention and pressure from Richmond and Charleston.Other alternatives that made Opelika a capital placed it near Jackson and Montgomery logistically. Jefferson could have prolonged the war through guerrilla warfare.
>>18614976>modern 21th-century St. Petersburg teleportport in civil war era with Alexander Suvorov tier C.S. GeneralIf only Florida were importantly relevant...
>>18614976It isn't a problem. Just send a message to Kentuckians on neutrality while fortifying Cumberland.
>>18614995Tennessee is cut off by the Appalachian mountains from the deep south and depends on the Mississippi valley. Early in 1862 Forts Henry and Donelson and the entire state became basically lost with Nashville being occupied. I don't really see your strategic thinking here. Union controls the Tennessee and Ohio Rivers and has them cut at the Mississippi and pushes south toward Memphis. Appalachians protected the south, but they also cut off Tennessee and Kentucky. Men and supply moves faster north to south and then east south of the mountains
>>18615296>Early in 1862 Forts Henry and Donelson and the entire state became basically lost with Nashville being occupied. They could defended but the blunder was escalated by Polk>I don't really see your strategic thinking hereIt literally supply western good to Richmond, you dense
>While attempting to cross the big river south of Vicksburg, Grant needed to know where the roads on the east side lead. Some soldiers came across a Negro field hand who seemed a bit smarter than the "Braise de Lawd" minstrel show stereotype and had lived in this area most of his life and knew all the roads, and so they ordered him to come with them. The field hand did not especially want to, but he was seized bodily and taken aboard their boat. He was brought to Grant's headquarters where the general explained his problem and showed him a map. "If you were going to lead a large army here, which road would you go on?" as he traced a route with his finger. "Dat road fetches up to Bayou Pierre. But you can't go dat way 'cos it's plum flooded with backwater," the Negro replied. He then pointed to a different road and told Grant "Dis way is better an' some of de best plantations in de country are dere."
>>18614995Moving the capital to Opelika creates a massive "defense-in-depth" buffer. Unlike upper Virginian capital, which sat ~100 miles from Yankees soil, Opelika forces Union armies to invade deep into hostile, swampy, heavily forested terrain with lengthy, vulnerable supply lines before reaching the political head. Choosing Opelika as a capital provides superb geographical isolation and establishes strong logistical interior lines anchored by Montgomery and Jackson.
>>18615469The Blueprint: Instead of defending fixed cities like Richmond or Atlanta, the Confederate government would have dissolved into small, highly mobile command units moving through the Appalachian foothills, the pine barrens of Alabama, and the Mississippi Delta.Sustaining the Insurgency: Opelika acts as a brief administrative springboard to disperse state militias, cavalry units (like those of Nathan Bedford Forrest and John Hunt Morgan), and partisan rangers into a network of hidden supply depots across the interior South.Breaking Union Will: A guerrilla strategy avoids pitched battles that the real life Confederacy was mathematically bound to lose by 1864–1865. By forcing the Union to maintain an occupation army stretching across thousands of miles of hostile territory, the strategy aims to exhaust Northern political will, similar to how the American colonists wore down the British or how asymmetrical forces operate globally.
The finest and most American State to ever exist alongside her close sibling South Carolina.
>>18615273>>18615296>>18614976CSA might well put up defensive in the gap with Spartan stylehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKVIA7T1eVw
>>18615423Union soldiers mostly wanted nothing to do with emancipation in the early days of the war outside some Massachusetts abolitionists, but as time went on they realized what a huge asset blacks were to them. they provided food, gave armies directions, and offered them intelligence info on the positions of Confederate units.
>>18615423so did the nigga tell him the right road or not anon? What a cliffhanger
>>18615472Anon this is fantasy. You need guns and munitions to fight a war. Supply lines and most of all money that is not dirt inflated. Each man has less load than a modern rifle clip. They can only fire off so many volleys. By 1865 you have trench warfare on both sides. Union digs in everywhere they go. Bushwhackin' works in backwater Missouri and Kentucky but ain't no good when Sherman is burning the south. The whole purpose of Lee taking the fight into the country was that was the only chance they had against a stronger foe. Concentrate their force like Napoleon and hope to break larger armies in the field. Your victories ain't worth a damn when you trade casualties, even 2:1. Fertile Texas is feeding your armies and it's cut off at Vicksburg. They got starved out.
>>18615985Its resistance is well established, nothing fantasy about it as political copperhead will win election alongside British smuggler.
>>18615985Sherman's army was actually isolated from its supply line, meaning you could harass and destroy with cavalry. Like Johnston launch a surprise attack at Cassvile successfully.
>>18615423Mississippi was one of the wealthiest states in the antebellum era. The countryside had such rich farms and an abundance of food that Grant realized he could cut his supply lines and live totally off the land. Sherman took a while to get used to the idea as in 1863 he was still a pretty by-the-book general who believed in bases and lines of supply. The most important asset the army had was their all-important ammunition train.
>>18616691It produced a shit ton of cotton, but none of the wealth was in the hands of most of the populace. It also never industrialized.
>>18610875hello fellow /lit/tard, I loved Sound and Fury. Closest one of my countrymen has come to Joyce.
>>18616691The oft-maligned political general John McClernand was an enthusiast of Grant's plan while Sherman the West Pointer was skeptical.
>>18616270To have resistance you have to have supply chains. Missouri bushwhackers had farms that they would rotate between and the people would give them fresh food and supplies. Okay well turn that up to a wider scale across the south. Yankees found the way to counter this. You show up to the farm with you men, you burn it, you hang the men, and you poison the farm's well. Resistance only works in a civilized society. The war was not civilized. You can demoralize the enemy. No point in fighting a war when everyone is dead and the land destroyed.
>>18610736utter shithole. America's shame.
>>18616873However, domestic opposition to the war is escalating. The Confederate States Army is preserving its troop strength and may launch a counteroffensive.
