I will never forgive the fact that after WWII it was a very rich country and yet they did nothing to beautify it. The Romans turned Rome into an open-air museum but the American elite couldn't think of anything better than passing the Highway Act. Not a Versailles, not a Forbidden City. The White House, the Golden Gate Bridge, and NYC are very nice but all of that was built before WWII. How is it possible that after achieving superpower status no president has ever thought of commissioning a great architectural work? fault of the American democratic system I guess. So far, only Trump has been megalomaniacal enough to propose something like that, and even his style is downright tacky. Wasting so much potential is a crime.Anyway, what's your opinion on the "American Empire"?
>>18610889worst hegemon in my entire life, hope china builds some nice monuments when they take over
The greatest disaster in human history
>>18610896I wonder what the Chinese will build in the future, given that their system is less bureaucratic. Perhaps they won't build anything. The way many Chinese cities have modernized in the turn of the century reminds me of what happened to American cities in the early 1900s
>>18610889THAT IS BECAUSE UNITEDSTATES IS NOT ROMANICAL, BUT PHŒNICEICAL: UNITEDSTATES IS THE NEW CARTHAGO, NOT THE NEW ROMA.AS A WHOLE AND FUNDAMENTALLY, UNITEDSTATES IS A COUNTRY OF MERCHANTS, PROLES, AND PILLAGERS, NOT OF ARISTOCRATS, NOR OF ARTISANS, NOR OF WARRIORS, THEREFORE, BEAUTY, IN ANY FORM, IS VERY LOW IN THEIR ORDER OF PRIORITIES.SOME GOOD THINGS HAVE COME OUT FROM UNITEDSTATES —SIMILARLY WITH RESPECT TO THE PHŒNICIANS—, BUT, IN GENERAL, IT IS CIVILIZATIONALLY SUBPAR.
i don't want to fukayamapost but i really don't see anyway they get toppled >more military spending than the rest of the world combined>no way for them to be invaded due to having their own hemisphere >modern mass surveillance means they can't be destroyed by internal revoltscan't even go for the china meme because their rapid development seems to have stalled and their population pyramid means they're fuckedi think we're going to be living in burgerworld for at least another two centuries
>>18610910"civilizationally" is not a real word
>>18610914HOW IS «CIVILIZATIONALLY» NOT A REAL WORD, ACCORDING TO YOU?
>The Romans turned Rome into an open-air museum but the American elite couldn't think of anything better than passing the Highway Act. Not a Versailles, not a Forbidden City. The White House, the Golden Gate Bridge, and NYC are very niceRome was a city of Bread and Circuses, it is not to be emulated
>>18610910I always thought the quintessential American occupation was salesman. Charismatic as fuck like Saul Goodman
>>18610913>two centuriesNah, that's too much. I don't even see US hegemony surviving beyond 2050. They'll still be a superpower, though
>>18610908that would be sad and disappointing. surely they could propagandise a bit by throwing statues and massive public works into regions they occupy, like USSR did, to show off>>18610913am optimistic they'll shoot themselves in their foot fifty times in a row and collapse, as so many other invincible eternal empires did before them. maybe climate collapse will help
>>18610926Depends if China ever do get the balls to invade Taiwan, and what the US response to that looks like.If they do it and the US cucks out it's gg and America will never be respected again. Alternatively, if they do intervene and easily BTFO them then the Chinese century will be delayed indefinitely.Despite material conditions changing (US economy eclipsed the UK in the 19th century) most people put the definitive moment the British Empire became a bitch of the US as the Suez crisis, which was almost a century later.
>"The USA will collapse in 2 weeks because they gave my abuela diabetes"You'd think after 10+ years of making these threads that they'd get old by now
>>18610932I think China will wait for the US to be a lot weaker, or fully tied up elsewhere before making a move, in the hopes that Taiwan would realize their isolation and quickly surrender. A direct military conflict between China and USA seems too mutually destructive to be on the cards. Like with Suez, I reckon it'll be a smaller, "easy", conflict that US gets involved in and fails so dramatically that China is left as the bigger power without even sending troops.I do admit that a lot of this may be wishful thinking because I hate war and currently feel like we're on track for another global one.
>>18610889geography is too powerful for them to ever fail
>>18610932>Despite material conditions changing (US economy eclipsed the UK in the 19th century) most people put the definitive moment the British Empire became a bitch of the US as the Suez crisis, which was almost a century laterEven viewed this way, one could argue that the UK becoming the US lapdog after Suez is an indirect consequence of the US economy surpassing the British one, and not so much of Suez itself
>>18610889>yet they did nothing to beautify it.No empire did
>>18610972>>18610935I don't think it will collapse, even a civil war seems unlikely to me (Jiang Xueqin is a retard btw). But burger world continuing indefinitely is another matter entirely
>>18610972I tried engaging in OPs premise about how the US should invest more into public works again but these threads always end up just being trojan horses for third worlders to seek catharsis online because they blame the US for their countries being a shithole. It's all so tiresome
>>18610889Tbqh the “height” of the US was the late 19th, early 20th century. All the epic cities and monuments and shit you see are from that period. We were already an empire at that point too, just a continental one rather than the unprecedented role of uncontested global hegemon.Everything postwar is just one long humiliation ritual. Our pioneering spirit disappeared. Our cities and industry died.
>>18610989I kinda agree, although the moon landing is arguably peak US>Everything postwar is just one long humiliation ritualBut why? You can't even blame demographic change because, as far as I know, post war US was still predominantly white. What went wrong?
>>18610889look at all the things that killed other empires>foreign invasion impossible>succession crisis/balkanizationvery improbable because americans are very culturally homogenous despite what they tell you. There's a strong national identity>economic collapse/institutional rotmore likely but without any foreign pressure it could live like that for centuries and most likely fix its internal problems before total collapse like the sovietsi am skeptical we will ever see a world where the US isnt at least a great power
>During a debate in the Senate in 1961 over a proposed national art gallery in Washington D.C., Hubert Humphrey said "I do not understand why the American people argue over the idea of an art gallery to beautify our nation's capital, but have no problem with spending taxpayer money on rockets that do not rise from their launching stands, or if they do explode soon afterward."[8[
>>18611012What a clown. The Apollo Landing sites will probably outlast every single building in Washington DC
>>18611012USA greatest country in history if it had been able to afford to build expensive art galleries AND rockets. But I imagine that's not feasible
>>18611006"We're just built different, we've had crises before and always bounced back, nobody can beat us, we're strong and united not corrupt like [rival]" - every empire in historyuncultured != culturally homogenous
>>18611055>unculturedwhat does this even mean? how can a people not have a culture? What you actually mean is that american culture is the global mainstream so it doesnt feel foreign to you
>>18611069>adj. (un•cul•tured) - lacking in education, taste, or refinementnot to be confused with acultural or cultureless
>>18611089this sounds like some smug eurocentric retardation
>>18610910Pipe down Sanchez
>>18610960>A direct military conflict between China and USA seems too mutually destructive to be on the cardsI doubt so. Unless American soliders are clearly staging an invasion of the mainland, the CCP wouldn't want to make an already terrible situation worse by unleashing nuclear weapons.Now I can see Russia doing this but in the event it's clear China loses a war with the US and Taiwan they'd probably just try and strike a deal over recognizing Taiwanese sovereignty over the US and Japan staging no troops on Taiwan.
>>18611012https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xw-s65ZZ1EEHe's probably referring to stuff like this.
>>18611137Zamn, got'em!
>>18611105>education, taste, and refinement are eurocentricWell, if you insist.>>18611141Even without nukes, a direct open war would be disastrous for both parties. That's why I think China will only go for Taiwan if they're certain US won't/can't get involved.Though I agree that China is more likely to recognize Taiwanese independence than to escalate to nuclear warfare in the case of a defeat.
>>18611155>>18610960We already fought China before. All that happened was we ended up digging in for two years and machine gunning their human wave attacks until we shot down 700,000 of them. They're not that good.
>>18610889If brown people think the us is bad the romans or mongols they larped as were way worse to them
>>18610889>The Romans turned Rome into an open-air museumPlease stop.
>>18611953What OP probably meant was that Rome put statues of naked men everywhere and that he just wants to see more statues of naked men everywhere
>>18610889LOL, America going to be around long after you're dead and your families kids are dead anon. People have be hyping the fall of America since the 50s. You do know if that happens. Everything falls apart, like worse than the great depression bad. Plus, at this point. Without America. War would be common place. Not just the civilized war we been seeing. Talking you nation loses enslavement or if you're lucky you run out of your home and nation to be refugees.
>>18610889>Not understanding that casting pearls before swine gets you nowhereThere's no point to beautifying it. The rich already live in beautified areas or naturally beautiful areas, and the poor don't need or even really want beautification. What they want is more disposable income and more consumer goods to spend it on, which they generally have in spades.The hegemony is undoubtedly the strongest in human history at any point, covering more space than Rome at its height, the Ottoman Empire, and the Chinese all put together with the scope of its military. It can hit people anywhere and everywhere, its culture spans the world whether people like it or not and its goods, trade and money are the axis around which the entire global economy revolves. Virtually all instances of bitching about Trump, the US or its military are just thirdies impotently screeching into the wind because they can't stand us being the undisputed World Protagonists for the next thousand years.
>>18612019More like 2000 years. Most of the people bitching and sreeching are eurofags wishing they empire/kingdom/whatever they called their nation was still more than chunk in the Europe trying to copy America homework but failing hard with the EU. Though going to be honest. Outside of Poland, I don't think they have more then 20 years before they get taken over and become 3rd world arab shitholes. Though if they're lucky, maybe they arabs will try to take over Poland and Poland can whip their ass and take a good chunk of Europe into themselves, only after purging all the people there. I mean after all it not like they can complain now. That's what they do to others when they take over.
any reason in particular that this seething mutt posts every 10 minutes exactly?
>>18612025They hate US cause they're not us.
>>18610889Half of America would sacrifice their lives to prevent billionaires from getting 1% more taxes and the other half would spend the tax on free shit for negros.Hence why American architecture peaked a literal century ago.
>>18612040Well, anyone with a fucking brain can see they always sneak shit in by going after the hated group. Income Tax became a thing cause it was only for the 1%, and only during WW1. Guess what happen when that temporary tax on the rich got in. They quickly made it for everyone and kept raising it without people voting. Plus we see time and time again you can't trust anything the government try to push as temporary. Once they wedge it in, they try to keep it going and add to it.
>>18612040Increasing taxes on the rich isn't the answer, because it would basically force the government to be more beholden to them as the largest taxpaying group. The wealthy already contribute the vast majority of tax revenue anyways
>>18612043>>18612046The first group in question, I wonder if someone from the 2nd will crawl out of the woodworks.
>>18610889>fault of the American democratic system I guessWe used to be able to build cool stuff. The cold war should have been one of the easiest times to justify public spending on vanity projects. Instead we only made the place uglier.>>18611006The foreign invasion is already underway. Our national identity and unity have been so thoroughly destroyed that the popular response to any state seceding today would be "good riddance". And we are already well into the stage of shambling along with terminal economic and institutional decay.The United States will not exist even in name by 2200 and will be functionally dead by 2100. And when it's gone, its principal territories will likely never reunite as a single entity. We had the greatest opportunity in all of human history. And we blew it.
>>18612055so true comrade, as John from Kentucky Oblast we are already prepared to secede from the Union of American Democratic Republics (UADR) stay strong comrade
>>18610889I think America was a lesser evil than the Soviet Union, and even modern Russia, so im glad they won the cold war. And i think China is a lesser evil than the US so i support them.
>>18611006I can see a future where America lags behind technologically and gets soft colonised by other powers like what happened to China.The geography of America is still inherently conducive to making it a great power so they would still probably bounce back after a while, again like China.
>>18612058Found the commie from reddit
>>18612040>>18612052instantly proven right, bloody hell. they just can't help themselves
>>18612062LOL! oh wait you're serious. Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHA!Why do you think we put so much into the military? Do you think that's all going to soldiers and shit? I bet you the US Government is holding on to tech that like two "tiers" higher than what we got now. If I remember correctly we had GPS since the late 70s maybe early 80s. Plus, let's be honest. Has China made ANYTHING that wasn't just temu knockoff of someone else's shit. Not said they have, but shown it and prove that it works. China is the classic steal from everyone else and add two things to make it look different and claim it's better.
>>18612071I think people struggle to understand just how wide the gulf between China and the US is military wise because China loves putting on these extravagant military parades and such. That's not a knock against China, China simply has no interest in force projection like the US does, their military is geared towards homeland defense, nothing wrong with that, it's just that I wouldn't expect China to be waging multiple military operations on several continents in our lifetime
>>18612065Reddit commies love Soviet/Russian imperialism
>>18612071t. Qing emperor ranting how the imperial army is still the greatest in the world before getting raped by random europeans.America today is blatantly the strongest military power on earth however the gap between America and other powers has gotten smaller since the end of the cold war. The American ability to exert it's military power has also been heavily constrained due to voters not wanting any actual wars again. Which is why America is currently losing to another shithole.
>>18612081>The American ability to exert it's military power has also been heavily constrained due to voters not wanting any actual wars again.dubious statement considering the military has been a volunteer force since the 70s
>>18612071>Why do you think we put so much into the military? To enrich arms manufacturers, thats why American weapons are so overpriced. How do you think that would work out when you’re up against an enemy that can make 50 times more missiles and drones than you because their military is focused on making cheap and effective weapons instead of enriching oligarchs
>>18612073China has every interest in force projection, the thing is as you said they know a direct conflict would be foolish at this stage, so they limit themselves to undermining USA's force projection any way they can and offering themselves as potential alternative for the future while growing internally. The USA is in many ways overstretched, which is why it's been working so well.
>>18612073Pretty much. China is a paper tiger in every way and the only reason they haven't fallen apart is their cheap factories been funding everything. Basically if America economy goes under China's will too. Hell the world's economy would basically tank.
>>18612090>China is a paper tiger in every way and the only reason they haven't fallen apart is their cheap factories been funding everything. Basically if America economy goes under China's will too. Outdated cope, all the fastest growing economies in the world are all in the global south. While the west declines the global south rises so China will be able to replace the western market easily
>>18612087A genuine conflict between America and China (ignoring nuclear war) would just lead to both countries economically imploding that would lead to a ceasefire where both sides claims victory.Also the American military is so expensive as every single screw has to get individually inspected instead of inspecting one for every thousand like in a regular industry. They do that as if a bomber fell out of the sky because of a bad screw they would look retarded.
>>18612081Less of losing and more of gets tired and just head home. Hints why the idea has been hide till the Americans get bored and then claim victory. It's the classic if I don't give up and they fuck off cause they stop caring "I win." The problem has been they need to finish the job not us. However often they just hide behind America and think we just keep fighting for them forever. Then shocked we say fuck this and head home when they're not want to do shit. Sadly part of it been due to bad command but still. The team we helping need to finish the job not just us. Cause half of the time when we leave it's not overwhelming they just don't want to fight at all.
>>18612093The US is still going to remain China's largest trade partner because it's the largest consumer market on Earth and it's logistically cheaper to ship goods over the Pacific Ocean to the US than it is dealing with multiple African countries
>>18612093Dude falling for the hype. Yes they're growing but at the same time they're about to have a massive crash, between the "lay flat" movement, the cost of the "one child" policy and other things. They not doing as hot as they want to admit. I wouldn't be shocked if the "dam" broke suddenly. I mean they can't hide it forever, even if they try to.
>>18612100NTA but he wasn't referring to China itself, he was referring to the "Global South" presenting an opportunity for China to market goods to instead of the US. China already fumbled their economy over the whole Evergrande debacle
>>18612094>Also the American military is so expensive as every single screw has to get individually inspected instead of inspecting one for every thousand like in a regular industry.Lol>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II
>>18612105Nirvana Fallacy. You aren't here in good faith
>>18612095If you fail your strategic goals and then withdraw you have lost the war.
>>18612097Sure, but not forever. As the US and European markets shrink, China will be able to offset the losses by selling to other markets. Its a process that might take decades but all the indicators prove that its heading that way.
>>18612109But US and European markets would have to actually...you know...shrink first...
>>18612097The US is the largest consumer market on Earth only because it is (or was, depending on who you ask) also the global hegemon (they can print infinite money). In a hypothetical scenario where China surpasses the US that would no longer be the case.
>>18612105>Freezing temperatures (-18C) had caused the hydraulic fluid to freeze and rupture the hydraulic lines including those to the landing gear. One third of the hydraulic systems in both the nose and the right main landing gear was found to have been contaminated with water. The US Air Force's accident investigation board concluded that a lack of oversight for the distribution of the hydraulic fluid, inadequate aircraft hydraulics servicing procedures, and the crew's decision-making, including the engineers on the call, all contributed to the crash.Wow, >>18612094 was right, the US military does look retarded.
>>18612106Cope
>>18612112It's the largest consumer market on Earth because it has a reasonably wealthy population relative to its size and is in a geographically convenient location that gives it access to markets in both China and Europe
>>18612111Already happening, BRICS has mogged the fuck out of G7
>>186121172 more weeks brownsisters
>>18612108We force them to the table and made them sign the treaty, the war was over. What? Were we supposed to kill every last one of them?
>>18612116>It's the largest consumer market on Earth because it has a reasonably wealthy populationyou're just repeating yourself>and is in a geographically convenient location that gives it access to markets in both China and Europeso is south america, yet they're favela tier. in order for your geographical location to be convenient you also need to be in control of the shipping lanes directed to that location, which the USA, as the global hegemon, is.
>>18612123>so is south america, yet they're favela tier.South America does not have as easy of access to markets in the Global North compared to the United States, also, no country in South America has access to both the East and West coast, they don't represent a monolithic market like the US does. What an insane comparison to even make
>>18612121Anon, paying 300 billion to the other side as reparations is called losing.
>>18612133Nigga drank the kool-aid and believe the lies.We WERE allowing companies to work with them. However the limit was 300 Billion. It was cause Trump knew they couldn't help themselves and would break the treaty. He gets to look good and act like he tried and can restart the clock doing a new operation.
>>18612130>what is mexicohell, even canada is little more than a satellite and natural resources provider for the USAthe insane statement is to think that if brazil merged with peru they would somehow become the next superpower
>>18610889NCBI and people like Fauci are pretty cool, but that's basically it. Notice how the average American HATES the only accomplishments they have.
>>18612137Is this bait?
>>18612135>we won by allowing companies to outsource more american jobs to third world shitholesAnon, I...
>>18612142It's a truthnuke which will cause all American clitori to explode.
>>18612144Got ya, bad bait. Will drop a wooden bomb on it if I have the time to fuck with ya
>>18612143You do realized the 300 billion allowance was negated when they broke the treaty right? The whole point was to prove they didn't want peace. Also it was to make shit like power plants, bridges and shit. I don't think they were going to make a factory to make shitty toys and clothes now. They got China and other nations for that
>>186108894/10It gets points for size, but loses them for starting then losing war after war, lack of aesthetics, constantly making allies look like retards (or outright killing them), and having the most braindead propagandized population to ever dirty the Earth's surface.
>>18612158LOL! Wait, you're serious? Let me laugh even harder. HAHAHAHAHA!
>>18612023You must be polish to be so spiteful and delusional. Polands birthrate is one of the worst of all the european groups.There will be no big takeover in Europe (from Muslims or Poles) like their will be no racewar in the US: There will be a steady aging of the whites and a deterioration of the nations substances and Europe might americanize more in this process.The alternative is that the youth radicalisation leads to actual changes (what would be harder in the US due to the election system).
>>18612158>constantly making allies look like retardsElaborate>having the most braindead propagandized population to ever dirty the Earth's surfacePeople overestimate how patriotic Americans are. Imo, it's 50/50. Yes, there are people brainwashed by Fox News, but you'll also find plenty of sellouts and mega-woke types that even the average leftist in some Western European country can't match
>>18612342I think he means how our allies outside of Poland, Korea, and Japan aren't willing to build a military and just expect America to be their military. (Which is funny since Japan more willing to get their military back than most of the EU.)As for propagandized population, look at the fags who push whatever gay ass commie shit. You're trying to tell me these brownshirts aren't drinking the kool-aid..... Well, flavor-aid but you get my point.
>>18612510>Japan more willing to get their military back than most of the EUWhy are Eurocucks like this?
>>18610889Went to shit when they allowed China to abuse global free trade with slave labor and a complete disregard for intellectual property. Annihilated most of the local production in the West and made it reliant on Chinese production. You should never make yourself reliant on countries that do not share your basic values. You might have to go to war with them in the future.Also Israel has an undue influence on its decision making. Most of the middle eastern wars did not improve anything for the hegemony or global stability. It's a parasitical relationship that needs to be fixed.Props to whoever planned that Russia-Ukraine proxy war. That operation has crippled Russia's economy and military to an unprecedented degree while only costing a fraction of the NATO military budget. Regardless of what the final outcome will be it's already a huge success.That Iran war is a complete disaster. At best they can pull out and return to the status quo ante.
>>18612966>That operation has crippled Russia's economy and military to an unprecedented degreeKek. Russia will be fucked for a couple of years
>>18610910iberian slave speaking ill of your punic masters. they're going to keelhaul you
>>18610889It really doesn't matter what Rome built when it's being turned into something non Italian.
>>18613129Architecture does matter a great deal. Even if demographics change drastically, at least you'll be able to look around and say "This is Italy" (or what is remembered as Italy). What will happen in a couple of centuries when the power of the USA is no longer the same and time erases all those suburbs and wooden houses from the map?That's why it's important to build buildings or monuments out of stone
>>18612133>>18612143are you not aware that the war is still currently going? did you immediately stop paying attention after the mou was signed and assumed it was over?
>>18612510>how our allies outside of Poland, Korea, and Japan aren't willing to build a military and just expect America to be their militaryYoure retarded. The reason those countries have the most active militaries is because it was DESIGNED THAT WAY as a strategic resource allocation to counter COMMUNISM, you RETARD. There's no reason to waste money arming some shithole like Mexico when you can just create strong buffer states around the enemy that would cripple them before they got a chance to make a move.
Architecture is an irrelevant gimmick. We literally achieved more in the last 100 years than in all of Homo sapiens history. Landing on the moon or decoding DNA is more impressive than any city or building ever created by humanity.
>>18612073This is misleading. Most of these bases are nothing, literally just a few soldiers without any proper equipment. Central Asia don't have any permanent bases, same with Caucasus and most of Africa. Probably also true for South America. During the recent Iranian war even many European NATO countries denied Americans their airfields.
They reject the idea of ethnical nations because they are a relatively new nation, so they are forcing the rest of the world to destroy their ethnic homogeneity and import millions of niggers( I was going to say a million niggers as an expression but I realized they were actually importing MORE than 1 million niggers).I don't care if it's because of Jews or not, their racial blindness is destroying the western world and the reason we are getting flooded in Europe is because of them.
>>18610889>muh aestheticsbeauty isn't everything
>>18614027>they are forcing the rest of the world to destroy their ethnic homogeneityIf Europe opened its doors to millions of immigrants it was by its own choice. Japan is a vassal state of the USA, arguably less autonomous than Europe, and yet they have always been quite careful with their borders. The fact is the USA and Europe are part of the same cancerous individualistic Western world>>18614240>>18614000Cope
>>18614535USA made a relentless stream of propaganda for decades towards Europe and also its own people. Your whole culture resolves around niggers, browns and suicidal empathy. And the japanese are starting to catch up with all of the woke nonsense.
>>18614590>NOOOO YOU TRICKED ME INTO DOING IT!!!yuros can never take responsibility for their own actions
