Why do so-called Christians gloat so much at the thought of their fellow men going to Hell? I don't think rejoicing in the damnation of others is very pious.
>>18612576it's just one retard from heretic sects: Baptists and Calvinists
>>18612587Calvinists have the most Biblically accurate take on salvation as outlined in Ephesians.Ephesians 2:8-9>For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. If faith is a "gift of God" that means whether or not you're saved or damn is entirely deterministic - especially if being a good person / doing good things has nothing to do with it.
Don't commit sins!
>>18612592Do you ever read entire chapters or just cherry pick one of a dozen single lines on repeat before you tithe the value of a car payment to your church located in a strip mall
>>18612576shipping people off to hell is not something to joke about, places like sub-Saharan africa and the slums of India are not where anyone wants to end up
>>18612592You cannot base your entire religion on a single verse that was not even spoken by God himself or any of his holy prophets who spoke words dictated directly by him.
>>18612576The judgement of the soul is only for God to decide. Those who wish torture and damnation onto others shall suffer it in equal measures to what they tried to dispense.
>>18612576That’s a joke image. Nothing is funny about damnation
>>18612592>If faith is a "gift of God" that means whether or not you're saved or damn is entirely deterministicNo, it doesn't. It's still up to the person to accept the free gift.
>>18612703Actually it is extremely funny that Papist and Orthorat apologists think that their heresies aren't going to catch up to them. Then one day they wake up and it's really hot...
>>18612576It is very pious actually. The apostles regularly cursed people to death.
>>18612718chapter and verse
>>18612720Acts 5Peter curses Ananias and Sapphira to death because they were capitalist wealth hoarders.
>>18612727>Acts 5dang that's metal, I forgot about that lol
>>18612592Epistle of James already refutes this dumbass line of thought. Protestants have to twist and sweat themselves to try to make it compabtible, and the best they can do is to half-acknowledge it and try to move past it.
>>18612735Christ hates you.
>>18612727Holy based
>>18612740I already bodied you in that other thread. You want to go for round 2, bitch?
>>18612744Meds.
>>18612744That was that thread, this is now. The discussion resets between threads.
>>18612744You're delusional...
>>18612592>no defense for the sick pleasure Calvinists find in the eternal damnation of their kinDisgusting subhumans
>>18612795>of their kin
>>18612576The Enjoy Hell poster is a Steven Anderson worshipper. He isn't a real Christian, he's an insane schizo in an actual cult.
>>18612802>Steven AndersonHe actually likes that knock off Matthew Fox? My respect for him just fucking plummeted.
>>18612802>>18612806I could not possibly care what you rodents think of me.
>>18612834you love us :3
>>18612834You NEED us
>>18612626Not an argument>>18612735No it doesn't
>>18612953>No it doesn'tYes it does
>>18612964Are you saying the Bible contradicts itself?
>>18613173It is saying that, yes, but it will never admit to it because it decided long go it doesn't care about truth. Just a heads up, don't talk to it thinking you're talking to a person. It's a vile little rat who hates Jesus.
Proverbs 24:17-18Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles, lest the Lord see it and be displeased,and turn away his anger from him.
>>18613190It's not our personal enemies. They are enemies of the LORD. Try again?
>>18612735I agree that there is an ongoing discussion in scripture about faith vs. works. To me providence means that God has made Himself accessible and if you genuinely seek Him, you will find and walk with Him. It doesn't mean anyone who He has revealed Himself to, apostles included, have perfect knowledge transmitted into their heads or that they're plugged in to an inerrant hive mind and can only repeat what others have layed out. God dwells in His saints through the Holy Spirit but they're still going to be humans using their brains to form associative patterns and sinning all along the way. The discussion between Paul and James/Peter mirrors the "contradictions" that Christ present. And there are a lot of seeming contradictions in the narrative of Christ's life. He came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. Yet he objectively breaks the law on the regular. He says that all who seek Him are saved, but He also says that a tree that bears no good fruit will be cut down and cast into the fire. Naturally people will tend towards one extreme or the other, becoming either the elder brother or the prodigal son. But the point of Luke 15 is that both approaches are sinful distractions. Both legalism and licentious attitudes are wrong. Paul and James are arguing from either angle, but both maintain the same caveats. Faith is what saves. Even James says this. But true faith does not come with disregard of the law. Even Paul says this. I know it seems like reconciling and unifying two seemingly opposed stances seems like the natural thing for a Christian to do because they have an invested interest to insist they're not knowingly sinning. But as you read scripture you should ask yourself if what you're reading is a contradiction or multiple facets of the same gem. Can it be reconciled, or are the two things impossibly incompatible?
>>18613190>>18613198Another thing I love about Christians:>present them a Bible verse that points out their mistake>they brush it off like it's some minutia a random guy came up with unrelated to their faithYou don't even reverence the Bible, what even is the point of being religious if you treat your Holy Scriptures like wet paper?"Uhh not my enemies""Nuh-uh, those verses about wealth being antithesis to a life in Christ are wrong""Giving to the poor? Loving your enemies? Fuck off, commie!"Etc etc etc
>>18613775You're delusional.
>>18613775>Loving your enemies?Andersons official explanation to this verse is>"I love my enemies, but i hate enemies of God"But when pressed for an explanation for this he said 'sinners are enemies of God' after just making his entire movement about how you can sin all the time, but just believe.
>>18613788>But when pressed for an explanation for this he said 'sinners are enemies of God' after just making his entire movement about how you can sin all the time, but just believe.Who pressed him? Can you provide a link? Or are you just lying?
>>18613788Your successful efforts in rage baiting and manifesting the Steven Anderson schizo have not gone unappreciated. God bless you anon.
>>18613790>Andersons number one fan on /his/ is not up to date on all the interviews he did before being blacklisted from even drama youtubers for his abuse towards his familylol. And it was some interview with some small time black drama youtuber four years ago>>18613800Thanks anon.Another topic Andersonites love to side step or ignore is how Anderson self-admitted he was at least 25% ashkenazi in his NIFB film.
>>18613807Some black guy doesn't narrow it down sufficiently. You can't provide a link. I have no reason to believe you.
>>18613813okay, don't believe me.
>>18613815Ok!
>>18613788>AndersonsWho?
>>18613863How do you not know who Pastor Steven Anderson is? He's the greatest man in America today.
>>18613180If the Bible contradicts itself, how is it the word of God?
>>18612576Christians don't do that. They know everyone is their brothers. They just want you to wake the fuck up ASAPhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
>>18614410It doesn't. Have fun burning.
>>18612761>>18612764>>18612768Nta but all these are circumcised jews
This is why I don't feel bad for christcucks
>>18614410Because it is written and redacted by man, but whatever inspired the various authors led them to chronicling sets of the most profound and useful approaches for life's most difficult and complicated issues. >love your enemies>forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who have trespassed against us>forgive them, for they know not what they doSeeing the world through this lens solves and prevents so much voluntary suffering. It makes your life so much more happy, peaceful, and enjoyable. We take the message for granted today because Christianity has dominated the world and become its largest religion. That and there are a lot of Christians who fail to learn and apply scripture. But for those struggling Christians and secular minds alike, we still see that the simple message of love over vengeance is one that is nearly impossible to derive naturally by our own intuition.God has made sure that He is made accessible by putting all the simple, but not easy, answers one needs for their life in one place.
>>18614948God wrote the Bible
>>18614951This is not the case. But God, who is sovereign over all, in His providence has made sure you have the answers you need in the book.
>>18614957That's not what the Bible teaches. Stupid Calvinist.
>>18612592Calvinists worship moneylenders the likes of which Jesus booted out of The Temple.
>>18614962Would you like to provide a verse to this effect?
>>18614966>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:>That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV. Care to admit you are wrong, or are you going to double down?
>>18614994You can see the information I provided about that verse yesterday here >>18613854tl;dr: "God-breathed" is not the same as "inspired". It wasn't until hundreds of years after Paul was writing to Timothy that anyone (Origen) had suggested the imagery of the phrase could be used to denote inspiration. Naturally the tradition stuck because how do you keep those dirty Gnostics from bringing their copies of the Gospel of Thomas and Mary and Judas to church? You draw hard, arbitrary lines as to where "scripture" begins and ends and find some verse you can reinterpret and contort the meaning of to say "hey, I didn't make this rule. God did." Something else pertaining to that verse that I didn't have the characters to finish explaining in the post is that the word "scripture" is glazed over by most Christians and no one stops to think about what it would have meant to Paul. Like other Jews who spoke the common Greek, Paul was likely pulling from the Jewish literature translated from Hebrew to Greek. This would have included the Septuigant, but also supplementary texts like the book of Isaiah (which, though it was missing from the Septuigant, made its way into the Christian canon) and the books of Maccabees (which didn't make it into the canon). We know this because he cites quotes that are unique to these translations. Notably absent in anything Paul quotes are the Gospels. Synoptic or the Gospel of John. These writings probably weren't compiled at the time of Paul's writing. He wouldn't have been considering those part of scripture and he wouldn't have been considering his own letters as part of scripture. But there's one more thing that makes the verse you provided invalid for the discussion. The suggested translation says "inspired", not written. In my first post here, which you refuted, I acknowledged that the authors had some sort of inspiration. At best, God can be said to have inspired the authors. He did not "write" the Bible.
>>18615266>tl;dr: "God-breathed" is not the same as "inspired".Great! "God-breathed" is not phrasing used in the cited passage. Try again?>blah blah blah the septuigant blah blah blah I hate JesusGreat! No one cares.>But there's one more thing that makes the verse you provided invalid for the discussion. The suggested translation says "inspired", not written.Great, let's compare that claim with another verse:> Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.> For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter 1:20-21It would appear that inspiration, then, means that the Holy Ghost, ie God, moves men of God to write the scripture in light of this verse. Your braindead response?
>>18612576>>18612587"Christian" is not a synonym for "universally, unconditionally sympathetic"
>>18615276>"God-breathed" is not phrasing used in the cited passage.It is, just not in that specific translation. If you want to be technical, English words don't appear at all in scripture. Because scripture was written by non-English speaking authors. >It would appear that inspiration, then, means that the Holy Ghost, ie God, moves men of God to write the scripture in light of this verse.I'm not and never was against the idea of God as a primary cause. God is the reason anything happens at all. He wrote the Bible as much as He wrote all of existing literature. Or, at the very least, if you maintain that His direct inspiration exists only for His followers then He wrote the Bible as much as He wrote anything a Christian with sincere faith has written. Which means God is writing both of our retarded responses to each other. Now stepping back from the semantics, you're smart enough to know the assumption for anyone entertaining a conversation that presumes the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent God is not, by default, talking about universal primary causes. The colloquial default is to talk about secondary causes. God did not pen the books of scripture. He did not adopt the monikers of Paul, James, John, or any other author of scripture that self-identifies their works under authorship. He is the reason those men exist, yeah. He is the reason those men have brains and eyes and hands and that they use said brains and eyes and hands to take up and write. But if you're stepping up to "erm ackshually" a post that already explicitly alluded to primary causes, you're just showcasing that you wanted to feel included in the conversation but had nothing of substance to contribute.
>>18615415>It is, just not in that specific translation.I don't care about other translations. >God did not pen the books of scripture.My position is that God penned the books of scripture. You saying "Nuh-uh" is not an argument. I've given you two clear passages. Why are those not good enough for you?
>>18612576Resentment of the small man
>>18615428>I've given you two clear passages. Why are those not good enough for you?Because the only thing they made clear is that you have to construct yourself an Olympian-sized mental gymnasium and stick a leap larger than the Mariana Trench to conclude that the passages suggest scripture is penned with God's own hand. >I don't care about other translations.You don't care about the KJV either. You care about the text matching your parroted interpretations rather than letting it speak for itself. Stop trying to make God in your image. If you have a sincere faith you know how serious such an offense is.
>>18615443>Stop trying to make God in your image.Railing accusation. You can leave my life now. Bye!
>>18612802christian cults are christian.
>>18612576It's funny
>>18615428>My position is that God penned the books of scripture.I guess you read the original texts, then, in hebrew, aramaic and koine greek.
>>18615870>I guess you read the original texts, then, in hebrew, aramaic and koine greek.No. I read the King James Bible.
>>18615871how do you know it's accurate?
>>18615873Because I'm indwelled by the Holy Ghost and am able to recognize the voice of the shepherd in the King James.
>>18615875you do know trolling outside /b/ is against the rules?
>>18616050Yes.
>>18616056unfortunately reporting people to the authorities is against my rules, so as you were...
>>18616059If you think I'm trolling you should report me and get yourself banned from the board. I'd love that.
>>18615875*Indwelled by demonic forces posing as the Holy Spirit and/or suffering from psychotic delusions. Either way I pity you and wish the best for you, but you should avoid the risks of drawing other people into heresy
>>18616100Congratulations. You just blasphemed the Holy Ghost. Sleep tight. :)
>>18612576Enjoy hell.
