When was the point when the chinese went from being barbaric savages to being close to par with the west?
>parThey are still boiling puppies alive by the millions annually
They were only temporarily behind iff you look at thinks like their industrial output for refined or finished goods like steel, silk or gunpowder production they were living in the future compared to everyone else.
The opposite happened, they were close to par with the west, and then they became barbaric savages due to communist dysgenics
>>18616458They were eating with sticks while the west had steamships.
>>18616467steamships are from the 19th century the brits forced fed them opium at gunpoint in the 18th centurythey continue to eat with sticks
>>18616336China had been ahead of the west in every way until the end of the Ming dynasty/start of the Qing dynasty in the mid 1600s when European countries' economies started developing. By the mid 1700s the west was very securely ahead of China, which was proven by the opium wars and Russia stealing its land.
>>18616336>He doesn't know
>>18616336Most of China is still Africa tier
China had long been either a peer or downright ahead of western civilization in terms of power and development. As late as the 18th century, Britain had to negotiate with China as an equal party. This changed with the decline of the Qing and the Opium wars. The Qing had long been complacent about military technology, and the decline phase of their dynastic cycle coincided with Europe really finding its groove in military tech plus the realization that Chinese people would buy Opium. The result was about a century of China appearing like a failing backwater. What is happening now is a reversion to the mean. China, like the US and to a certain extent India, is a nation where the fundamentals will always let it bounce back eventually.
>>18616458this
>>18616538China has 106 IQ on average and India 77.They are not the same.
>>18616458Ways that are dark was written long before the communists came to power
>>18616336There's going to be a lot of wrong answers, so I will give you the right one: the cultural revolution. Afterwards China had no problem integrating western technology and capital, building out infrastructure, creating global mega corporations, which every previous effort by its leaders failed at.
>>18616336There was only a short period in the 19th century where they were behind the west tbqh. Since the Han dynasty they were equal to or even at times superior to the west. The Song and Tang dynasties totally mogged tf out of whatever was going on in Europe at the time.
>>18616538India is a nation where the fundamentals will always drag it down>20+ main languages causing disunity and various forms of regional nationalism>Caste system completely annihilating any attempt at meritocracy>Strong religious influence on society and the state forces them to do retarded thingsCompare to China >One official written language for all of history, now has a national spoken language>No castes or hereditary status other than the emperor, meritocracy is the basis of administration >No religion to fuck things upTheir only superficial similarities are large area and population, which does not inherently make them strong or dominant
>>18616538India is a meme. I used to think they were as gifted as the US or China but after studying their history I realized they literally only had one moment of unity and empire and it was cultivated by Muslims during the Mughal period. The Mauryan Empire and Gupta empires were giant ass memes, India was very communalistic and those “empires” never truly controlled much outside Pataliputra. Pretty much everything good about India came from outside: starting with the Aryans, then the Greeks and Kushans, and finally the Turco-Iranian muslims.
>>18616612>>18616620Didn't meant to imply India was in the same league as China. Rather was pointing to it as a demonstration of the same mechanism where good geographic fundamentals can help a country bounce back from pretty much anything. India's politics caste based, inefficient, and only a positive example insofar as it didn't have any coups like the rest of the global south. But despite this, it still now builds its own aircraft carriers and mars orbiters. So, since China's geographic fundamentals are much much better than India, the moment it escaped Mao's smoothbrained dumbfuckery, the sky was the limit.
>>18616336>whenhasn't happened yet
>>18616790Democrazy is dyingReply to this post if you're a true democrat
>>18616597> China has 106 IQChina actually has an average IQ of ~100. Stats significantly above that come from very specific areas.
>>18616804100 IQ IS the average, that's how IQ works, so if you narrow your sample size to the country itself than the average will always be 100. The average IQ of Somalia will also be 100 if you narrow your sample size to the country itself
>>18616336Deng's presidency.
>>18616336Never.
>>18616347>NOT LE HEKIN DOGGERINO NOOOOO
>>18616336>when the chinese went from being barbaric savages to being close to par2008--> US (fake/planned) financial crisis
>>18616850Seethe
>>18616336>When was the point when the chinese went from being barbaric savages to being close to par with the west?1949
>>18616827In this context, 100 means the NW European average. Relative to that, the world average is an 85. China ~100. Japan ~105
But did they?
>>18616611What an absurd thing to say. Song and Tang were ahead of most of Europe, save perhaps a few Italian republics and Byzantine. But to say it took Europe until the 19th century is ridiculous. By the 19th century Europe was deep into the industrial revolution, and hundreds of years into the scientific revolution. Both far ahead of anything China ever came close to achieving. A freaking Island country of a few million, was able to practically bring all of China to its knees in its home field.Europe was always mathematically ahead of China, scientifically and technologically ahead by the 16-17th centuries. And that gap was enormous and incomparable by the 19th.
>>18616336Probably 1995 unironically
>>18616891ching chong go home.
>>18617013The thing is, China was actually doing great in the 18th century, they won all their wars and their population boomed, it was an unprecedented era of stability, but they had not developed technologically nor expanded like European empires, so when the inevitable confrontation happened with the opium war it was far far behind them. To pinpoint when China fell behind is probably more a question of judging when Europe really became prosperous and advanced, I would say technologically this fell in the early 18th century when European seafaring became advanced enough to feasibly construct worldwide trade routes, and politically in 1763 when Britain won the seven years war.
>>18617027Ok
>>18617061lmao
>>18617061>Go back to your country>Noooooooo not like that!
>>18616505>China had been ahead of the west in every wayNot remotely true. China had nothing resembling formal mathematics before the Jesuits introduced them to it. Everything that springs from it from functional buildings larger than 3 stories, fortifications, an accurate calendar, etc springs from this deficiency. Already by 1000 AD Britain, a European backwater by this point had a higher degree of capital investment and per capita gdp. China was already behind the west by 400 BC and it’s never caught up.
Lots of wumao revisionists in this thread
>>18617245Sorry you got utterly BTFO by this >>18617061
>>18616759I would consider it a pretty big achievement to not have coups or even breakaway states in the Cold War considering that Pakistan next door split in two amidst a genocide and is still a goofy ahh military junta ruled shithole somehow poorer and shittier than India (besides the beauty of the mountains it got in the partition that the state had zilch to do with) to this dayIndia's stability as a democracy is proof that brownoids can make it even with active Timmygroid meddling
Chinese civilization was never a society of “barbaric savages”; it is one of the world’s oldest continuous high civilizations, with advanced states, writing, bureaucracy, technology (paper, gunpowder, compass, printing), and philosophy for over two millennia, often leading Europe until the latter’s Scientific and Industrial Revolutions produced a decisive edge in the 18th–19th centuries. The subsequent “Century of Humiliation” reflected Qing stagnation and isolation rather than any inherent primitivism, and China’s modern rise to near-parity with the West in economic scale and many technologies began with Deng Xiaoping’s market-oriented reforms after 1978.
>>18617264Most of China didn't speak Mandarin until the mid-20th century. Most Chinese history is fake and it wasn't until the 20th century that they were ever one cohesive civilization in the first place
>>18617268This. I dont get why people keep falling for communist propaganda. They have to be bots
>>18617264>T. Zhang from Texas Province
>>18617257Pakistan fell apart because it was two awkwardly-cobbled together nations separated by a significant geographic distance whose only unifying factor was 'is a muslim-majority part of british india'.>brownoids can make it even with active Timmygroid meddlingthe irony of saying that given the role india played in bangladeshi separation from 'west pakistan' kek
>>18617268China was united and continuously reunited unlike the shitalian Romeme empire
>>18617167Just blatantly not true lmao, you're telling me that China didn't have buildings larger than three stories and fortifications? Have you ever heard of the great wall of China? Or pagodas? Go read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_mathematics?wprov=sfla1
>>18617681Never happened. Its all excavated during ccp era, meaning its all fucking fabricated. Theres a reason why so much history is missing.
>>18617268>>18617729>accepted by the global academic and scientific community>all proven with evidence, carbon dating >backed up by literary recordsSome guy on /his/: "All fake!!"
>>18617759Seething wumao. You cant buy me.
>>18617711I know all about “Chinese mathematics”, and there isn’t a single formal proof in it. Just algorithmic approximation. As for the Great Mound of China, it’s 20-26 feet tall LMAO
>>18616336You got it backwards. They went from being on-par to the west beginning of time - 1500AD, lagged due to the enlightenment innovation booms, Europe warmaxxing, and the industrial revolution (which they had no parallels to), then whipped back in into prominence under communism
>>18616347>progress is when dogs>>18616467China also had a steamship fleet under the Qing. German designs. Then getting blown up by the greatest navy in the world (Japan) wasn't really a surprise, though.
>>18617268Mandarin wasn't invented as a language until the Mid-20th century retard.
>>18618165This is cope, it's the longest continuous fortification ever built and you care about how tall it isAlso failing to back up your original retarded claims about 3 storey buildings (when many pagodas over 50m in height were built) and an "inaccurate" calendar despite the fact that Chinese astronomers accurately predicted eclipses
>>18618464>and you care about how tall it isYeah since mongols just breezed by the great speedbump of china.
>>18618513just took them 50 years to conquer china no biggieilliterate
>>18618540Did the world’s largest hedgerow slow them down?
>>18618563The mongols conquered kiev decades before they could breach fancheng and xiangyang
>>18618563You'd know the answer if you read about the subject~
>>18618513so the cope has gone from "China has no maths and no fortifications" to "China has maths but it's fake and it has fortifications but they're short o algo" to "China has fortifications but they didn't work against the Mongols once"I should also note that the Tang and Song didn't use the great wall (it was last expanded and maintained by the Sui dynasty about 500 years before the Mongol invasions) and thus the conquest of the northern and southern Song by the Khitans and Mongols cannot be attributed to the wall being ineffective. When the Ming and Qing rebuilt the wall it was very effective.
>>18618639No, but he argument has not changed at all. China had no formal mathematics before it was introduced by the Jesuits, and all of their constructions (including fortifications) were grossly inferior to western ones.
>>18616336Never
>>18618650>All their constructions were inferior to western onesSo how about >>18618569? Or the multiple wooden and stone pagodas that matched and even exceeded the height of European churches? The grand canal which remains the world's longest artificial waterway to this day? The terracotta army, which used assembly line methods of construction in 220bc? You have zero evidence or examples for your argument that all Chinese constructions were "grossly inferior" to European ones, just repeating it over and over doesn't make it real. The Mongols conquering China isn't proof that the great wall wasn't effective, because it wasn't in use at the time
>>18618677Well, for starters, the mongols were completely BTFO in Hungary and Poland after they constructed hundreds of stone castles (walls 60 feet tall or more) by the time of their second invasion. Nobody thinks of “Kiev” like Chang’an anon.
There were 5,000 windmills in the Netherlands alone in the 15th century. No zhang, you have been eating the wests dust for a loooong time.
>>18618698>NetherlandsCaved to China and learned its place
>>18617773Nobody can buy you because you aren't worth anything cretin
>>18618681>the mongols were completely BTFO in HungaryThe Hungarians are a mongolic race that conquered into Europe earlier creating Hungary. Europe has been getting raped by steppe conquerors since Attila who raped Romans until he got bored. The fentanyl race isn't sending their best.
>>18618650>China had no formal mathematics before it was introduced by the Jesuits, and all of their constructions (including fortifications) were grossly inferior to western ones.This is actually true. But in 2026 2 of the 4 fields medal winners are Chinese nationals.
>>18616336They didn't, they just became barbaric savages who had enslaved and abused their own people enough to afford a reasonably effective industrial espionage program.
>>18618771And 60% of the worlds non-brown population is Chinese nationals. What of it?
Im not liking the spike in china threads
>>18619307They get counterbalanced by the wumaos starting threads to glaze china so it pretty much evens out.
>>18619311>Glaze chinaThey glaze ancient China and rightly so. Nobody fucking glazes the CCP you dumb cunt.
>>18619326>>18615751You can jump into any china-related thread and see anons glazing the CCP (if not specifically then indirectly through based Mao, Deng etc)
>>18619341Youre actually a paid jeet arent you? This is wild stuff. Please try and do a little mental gymnastics instead of this crap where you ask me to think for you. Are you mad that there arent enough Indian threads? Then make them no one is stopping you. Please stop with the blatant /pol/ threads.
>>18619344Half the thread is literally an anon defending the CCP. You changs and jeets are as bad as each other lol>saar u criticise the middle kingdom/bharat u are the jeet/chang being paid to do so saar
>>18619341>not specifically then indirectly through based Mao, DengIdealogues need to be killed if they cannot fucking accept that Deng was the single greatest statesman in the world in the late 20th century
>>18619352, we got ourselves a live one kek>>18619353
>>18619353Deng was pathetic compared to the likes of Reagan, Mandela or Ghandi.
>>18619307Even chinkspammer stopped. The threads which are now constant are just pure ragebait filled with jeets spouting the most obscene claims like how China's history is fake and invented among others. Literally /pol/ with dates and arguably even /pol/ doesnt do this. Its gotten pretty bad that theres a china thread up 24/7 and every thread is the same. Theres no point arguing with these people since they are paid shills and i wouldn't be surprised if they were paid by the ccp themselves to make china haters look bad. Just hide the threads.
>>18619362lol
>>18619367chinkspammer works on cycles, he's never away for long. probably off defending china's honor on some other forum while he waits for a ban to expire
>>18619373I wish youd get banned but sadly while /pol/ has gorillion jannies this shithoke dead board has none.
>>18619362>MandelaGood joke
>>18619367Chinkspammer has sources to back his every claim of rape. These new threads have 0 sources or claims that counter arguments are wumaos and sources are fabricated by communists full on McCarthyism red scare shit. Moot was right
>>18619384The counter source is the last 200 years of Chinese history and the existence of mentally-ill individuals like him.
>>18619391>the last 200 years of ChineseYou mean where they overthrow manchu rule and went from agrarian wasteland to superpower
>>18619393Never happened
>>18619393Quite impressive. One has to wonder why their contemporaries like Ethiopians or Zulus didnt accomplish the same feat. Communism is one hell of a system I guess.
>>18619377Seethe more faggot. Have you tried crying to the brazilian mod about it?
>>18619435Zulus are a meme. Ethiopia was very promising and it's a tragedy they didn't pull through.
>>18617268>Most of China didn't speak Mandarin until the mid-20th century. Most of France didn't speak French until the 19th century.
Why does China make white men so mad?
>>18619452Timmycels constantly seething about China will never not be funny
>>18619538The fentanyl race isn't sending their best here.
>>18616336>when the fried dog is 10/10
>>18619587Li'l deng
>>18619384Yes at least chinkspammer was knowledgeable about historyThese people just say the most retarded shit with zero research
The saddest part is they aren’t even Zhangs, but brown third-worldists who China is going to take El Jefe down a peg (they have no hope their own people will do it)
>>18617167This is what happens when 'knowing a thing or two' about history means literally knowing one or two things.In this case you just know that China didn't have a rigorous culture of formalized mathematics publishing and debate in the same way as Europe, and then just make shit up regarding the consequences of that.
>>18616336During Jiang Zemin's and Hu Jintao's governments.
>>18618650Helian's Bobo 1700 city still has standing structures to this day, you have no idea what you're talking about
>>18616538>had to negotiate with China as an equal party>>regarding their interests in china and its vicinityOn what level were china negotiating on their interests in europe?This is a sign they were behind, not actually on parity
>>18618765>The Hungarians are a mongolic raceobjectively incorrect
>China dunked on the west for thousands of years in every relevant margin>the west is better for barely 200 years>every mutt here is losing their shit and wants to prove China is inferiorno, it's literally superior, sorry bitches
>>18618677>Or the multiple wooden and stone pagodas that matched and even exceeded the height of European churches?There's not a single pagoda that was taller than European cathedrals. Lincoln cathedral was the tallest building in the world until 1890, when it was surpassed by the church of Ulm.
>>18620088>>18620084lol literally
>>18620039Didn't know fentanyl could talk
>>18620084Who posts shit like this?
>>18620084>>18620169Hope Xi sees this, bro
>>18620273totally organic not-wumao obviously, nothing to see here
>>18620080China saw the McCartney mission as a botched tributary mission. China had long sat on its ass and assumed that it's inmate superiority meant that others would simply come to it hearing whatever it wanted from outside. Which generally wasn't much due to China's abundant resources. Yes, this was absolutely indicative of how deep the Qing had their heads up their asses, but they were able to maintain such enormous arrogance because China had such good geographic fundamentals.I would say that the 18th century was the earliest point at which a European power could have defeated China in an offensive war, and even then, it wasn't fully apparent to Europeans until the 19th century.
>>18619452In the other thread, a eurocel timmy tried to argue China isn't inventing or making anything important. He kept digging himself deeper, making increasingly ludicrous claims before getting BTFO by his own logic, in one of the worst defeats for the white man since the meth epidemic.
>>18616336DunnoStill waiting for thatMaybe 2500ad-ish?
>>18616336Chinese civilization followed the same pattern of unity out of chaos, complacency, and disintegration into barbarism again for thousands of years. In many time periods they've far surpassed the west, decided they were better than everyone else, closed themselves off, stopped learning new things, and then got eaten alive by foreigners.
>>18620327>>18620309>>18620273hope you come up with a rebuttal bro
>>18621538If China is so great, why aren’t you Latinx Scholars trying to illegally immigrate there?
>>18620688You mean the guy in the thread that was supposed to be about Ogedei Khan's death but got hijacked into being about China? The one who was arguing that Zheng He's treasure ships were no big deal and that Europe mogged China technologically as far back as the High Middle Ages?
>>18621650english is much easier than chinese and muttlandia is much closer to Mexico tho?
>>18621685ah yes, where Europeans finally managed to invent the wheelbarrow lol
>>18616336Hasn't come yet.Even ignoring moral issues, a country that does 996 to not even have the same economic power per capita is declaring itself 19th century tier at best.
>>18623154> english is much easier than chineseSo true amigo, all you need to learn is “cope, cuck, seethe”’and just repeat them in any situation jajajaja. I learned English from BLACKED dot com.
>>18617013>>18617167>>18618650Math is a meme. Only very basic math is ever used in practice. LOUDSPEAJERS were built pragmatically for decades before any formal theory was developed. >>18618639The Ming built the large one to stop the Qing. It didn't work.
>>18623157The euro in that thread claims the original invention matters far more than any subsequent inventions that use it. So wheels are more important than cars, discovering electromagnetism is more important than AI etc. this was the argument used to cope with 21st century Europe's backwardness.Of course, this means that since no European science can exist without writing and math, both inventions from ancient Sumer, it would imply Europe isn't important at all.
>>18623548Formal mathematics was invented by the Greeks, my deep fried chimichanga.
>>18623562The Greeks forms math still depended on the invention of numbers, counting, adding and multiplying, which existed in sumer. It also depended on the existence of writing, which was not invented in Europe. Your logic once again implies this means ancient Egypt and Sumer are more important.
>>18623573No, they did geometric proofs. Just shut up about things you know nothing about, and go back to cleaning my toilet while fantasizing about China, Manuẽl.
>>18623576Geometry existed in Egypt. And they wouldn't be able to write down those proofs without the middle easterners inventing writing.If inventing wheels is more important than inventing the car, then the middle east is more important than all of Europe. Sorry, you made the rules.
>>18616347>Pigs are regularly battery farmed in the West and most people don't care, but when its dogs suddenly its an unforgivable atrocity Why are white people like this, seriously?
>>18623584Cumskins believe dogs are sexual partners and therefore cannot be eaten
Eurocel timmy just went silent again KWAB
>>18616336After Lao.https://youtube.com/shorts/PWEm4Fc6aCs
They say they are a developing country but the U.S. gov doesn't agree
>>18616336Still are.
>>18616538Reasonable post until you brought up India. Prior to 1947 there hadn't been a unified India actually ruled by Indians instead of foreign warlords in two millennia.
>>18624953The same could be said of China for the last 400 years.
>>18616336Around the turn of the millennium.
>>18623609>Epstein>White
>>18616336Holding it wrong. After crashing into the ground with the death of the Qing and the subsequent hyperwar, China developed within the last 30 years. As time wears on, it will develop a patina and decay. This is precisely what is happening to the US right now.It's modernist delusion to imagine the march of time as a thing of monotonic progress. Even when the evidence of the cycle of decay and restoration is laid before your eyes, you can't see it. You have to boil it down into competing ideologies which are ultimately all hollow. It's precisely this delusion which has given birth to the irrational surprise that China has not remained a shithole forever. Viewing time as a linear struggle between vacuous word games because you're too stupid to grasp the hyper-granular relational and eternal flux of reality is not an argument, it's just intellectual narcissism.After it has fully decayed, the a political entity on par with the US will return after a century or two. The ignorance of the linear historical model will continue to persist at that time, and contemporaries will be shocked that the North American landmass became a geopolitical power player once again.
>>18623576oh no no she's getting angry~
>>18625067>>>trilateral commision
>>18616519You're a brainwashed retard. Whether it's about economy, infrastructure, technology, education or whatever, not even the most ardent anti-China hack would say something like this.Not even an insult, just being descriptive.
>>18625135NTA but China has a lower HDI than Iran, a country in literal war, and a per capita GDP of Mexico. It is by all account a shithole for most of its population.
>>18618563More like hadrians wall where it was meant to slow them down when they were returning from a raid with slaves n booty
>>18618765Attila was a german hapa. It was pigskin on pigskin violence.JAPANESE GRANDPA
>>18623586>>18623609Turdies dont understand this stuff doesnt bother us cause we know we are God's chosen and better than them.
>>18625365Based jew
>>18616336False premise. They are a poor shitty fascist country. Not even close to the West by any metric, other than total GDP being on par with the EU's and 2/3s that of the US. But that's between 1.4 billion poor chinks who make $15k USD a year and live in shoe boxes. I am sick of explaining this to retards so if you doubt what I am saying go look up some macroeconomic stats and compare the two. Everything is better in the US and Europe. And us soft Westerners couldn't last a second in the hellhole that is China.
>>18625506Wumao love posting photos of their Potemkin cities at night as if the poorest African shitholes don't also have highways and skyscrapers at this point
>>18625521You can look up tons of walk videos in Chinese cities on YouTube to see what they are like at eye level, your comparison is retarded and Reddit-tier.
The most bleeding-heart liberal becomes a fake-news-spouting conspiratard xenophobe when it comes to China lol it's amazing
>>18625506Comments like this always fascinate me. Do you think an economy built on services that can instantly be outsourced is better than one built on manufacturing? Do you think the average person cares if their currency is weaker than another if they live in the global manufacturing center?>look up some macroeconomic stats and compare the two.I completely agree, you should try that retard. China's ppp gdp is greater than the US's
>>18625623>China's ppp gdp is greater than the US'sYou should have actually verified that before posting, because it's not true.
>>18625623>Do you think an economy built on services that can instantly be outsourced is better than one built on manufacturing?NTA but yes, yes it absolutely fucking is. China does not have enough resources available to stand on their own, so they're effectively a service driven economy anyway, the service they provide is simply underpaid labor for the west, which kneecaps their growth and ties their economy to the US. Their GDP only grow in response to the US as a result. Their economic output relative to their population is abysmal. And what's even more embarrassing is wumao support this model and consider it a win
>>18625764Only 10-15% of China's GDP is attributed to foreign investment (of which US companies are only a fraction) taking both industry and services into account and it keeps decreasing. What do you gain from lying this blatanty, you fucking retard?
>>18625623>Do you think an economy built on services that can instantly be outsourced is better than one built on manufacturing?Are you posting from an alternate timeline where manufacturing in Western countries didn't get outsourced lol
>>18625752>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)Embarassing>>18625764Nonsensical logic through which any sector of the economy can be labeled a service>Their GDP only grow in response to the US as a result.By outperforming it threefold? Lie to others but never to yourself you clown
>>18625845>b-but the cheap consumer goods!Assembling iphones can be done literally anywhere on the planet, providing slave labor from rural shithole areas is more like a service. The only chink success stories with anything complicated is from green energy tech that the west ignores because it's not profitable enough.
>>18626187Refer to >>18625806, retard.
>>18626221Are you confusing "foreign investment" with "exports"?
>>18626126>By outperforming it threefold?No????The Annual Gross Domestic Product of the People's Republic of China as of 2026 is $20.85 trillionThe Annual Gross Domestic Product of the United States of America as of 2026 is $32.475 trillionIn general, nominal GDP growth in China is driven primarily by demand from western nations, as exports are the primary driver of their economy. In recent years, as a result of Trade Wars with the West and following the collapse of the Evergrande Group, China has been suffering relative economic downturn and has been in a recession for the past 6 yearsWhy would you even lie about something like this?
>>18616336Drive ten minutes from downtown Shenzhen and then reassess your worldview
>>18626223He's confusing Nominal GDP with GDP adjusted for PPP, he doesn't seem to be a very intelligent person (he's a Wumao so it's so be expected)
>>18626243China's exports are about 20% of their GDP.
>>18626263The rest of it are empty buildings apparently
>>18626244You can find tens of videos on YouTube of people driving in Shenzhen for an hour or so. What about it?
How come China's HDI is lower than Iran (a country literally getting bombed by American and Jews on a daily basis)???
>>18626270>Get caught blatantly lying about something that gets disproven with a cursory search>Move the goalposts towards much ghost cities (a low-tier myth on its own)Just move on to posting shitty memes and be done with it.
>>18626281China has a per capita GDP comparable to Argentina because exports are the primary driver of their economy. They need to justify their own existence with lower working wages anon, this isn't a controversial take.
>>18626271Weird non argument what's your angle?
>>18626276>china's hdi is lower than a pariah state's>china's gdp per capita is lower than mexico's >china fertility rate is lower than japan's
>>18626126>Nonsensical logic through which any sector of the economy can be labeled a serviceIn China's case manufacturing is a service because they have no natural resources of value and rely on imports of raw material for manufacture. That's the point the other anon was trying to make. You're not very smart my guy
>>18626286They are not the primary driver of their economy. They are about 20% of it and they have been steadily decreasing. They were 64% of it in 2006.This is something that can be easily googled. Not sure if they're retarded or lying but what they're saying just doesn't hold up.
>>18626304They make all the worst shit and have zero cultural exports. And all that debt.
>>18626314Make up your mind, retard. Either their economy is based on exports or they export very little because "they make all the worst shit" (which is on its own an ignorant claim, as they make stuff of all qualities depending on what people are willing to pay for, for example nobody says DJI drones are bad).
>>18626317I'm not your straw man take a breath. Also you're not old enough to know about Western goods they were completely different.
>>18626296>china thinks in centuries>population will halve this century
>>18616851you are not white
>>18625521There are no skyscrapers in your picture moron
>>18626276Since you're taking the hdi list from wikipedia, you should have noticed that it's from 2023. It shows China rose 16 places in the table. Iran was not at war in 2023. Since it's now 2026, there's no doubt China now has a higher hdi than not just Iran but a dozen more countries.
>>18626296Why can't Japan make their own AI? Why do they have to copy it from China and only admit it when caught?
A while ago, some schizo on here kept saying that "Chinese shills" were mad about the spaceX IPO.Using that logic, I have determined the sudden influx of seething at China might be caused by the CXMT IPO.
>>18626652>Talking about population numbers in 100 years when AGI will be achieved before the century's midpoint
>>18627339>china thinks in centuries>but also they dont need to think because the magic robot will be invented and solve everyone's problems and create a utopia
>>18627309>>18627329>>18627339>>18627308Chinese Jingoists are exceptionally embarrassing because they have nothing to show for it. You have no idea how embarrassing it is that your countries largest IPO is only $8 billion, you genuinely don't understand how a small share of your countries economy can still be a primary driver for its economic growth. You don't understand how pathetic it is that your countries HDI competes with South America. Just stop it dude, seriously, you're better off not posting instead of flooding threads with your nonesense
>>18627800>your countries largest IPO is only $8 billionIt 500 billion USD, I won't bother with the rest of your inaccurate post.
>>18627711>the magic robot will be invented and solve everyone's problems and create a utopiaStrawman. The constraints are in energy, hardware, cooling, raw materials, physical/chemical processes, end effectors and human-AI interaction. But none of these are raw population numbers.
>>18627800Wow Japan has a much higher GDP pc and HDI. Surely this means they can use it to make their own AI instead of copying from China.
>>18628104>copying from China.Maybe they'll end up echoing China's success in developing through copying Western industry
>>18628111Japan got to where it is by copying and stealing from the west. But they failed to break into new domains like China did with AI, EVs and space.
>>18627329>Using that logic, I have determined the sudden influx of seething at China might be caused by the CXMT IPO.Why? Their IPO was a result of foreign investment, literally, Apple announced a potential partnership and they're already suffering supply issues and Apple is already considering pulling out
>>18628092???You seem pretty sweaty right now anon, maybe take a step back from posting because you're being very incoherent
>>18628245I don't care about the details. If you are stupid enough to think Chinese are angry at the spaceX IPO it's only fair to think you're upset at the CXMT IPO. CXMT's valuation is entirely based on how they will supply China's own companies to begin with so your claim is also wrong.
>>18628248https://companiesmarketcap.com/cxmt/marketcap/Sorry you got raped
>>18628251>If you are stupid enough to think Chinese are angry at the spaceX IPO it's only fair to think you're upset at the CXMT IPONobody said this anon, do you need to take your meds?
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>>18628253Oh I see what's going on, you're confusing their market capitalization and their Initial Public Offering, which is kind of an apples vs oranges comparison between that and what happened with SpaceX. IPO sets the initial market capitalization which then gets weighed into Market cap depending on total shares sold and their respective values
>>18628264Yes CXMT had the biggest jump from IPO price whereas spaceX kept going down.
>>18628262Is Anonymous No.18530551 in the room with us right now?
>>18628268Please refer to my original post >>18627329
>>18628262KWAB
>>18628272Why does that matter? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>18628278I'm actually pretty confident you're the same schizo and you're upset you're caught. You have the same posting style.
>>18628287>everyone who attacks me is le same guy
>>18616336define "the west".
>>18628294Sorry you staked your argument on an IPO
>>18616458>third world shit holes were always shitholes now stop blaming European colonists>third world shitholes were suddenly advanced wakanda civilizations until le commies came aroundClassic.
>>18628335>>18628287Aren't you the same schizo that got banned for derailing a thread with off-topic posts about Iran?
>China is so much richer and more successful than the west!>…but I never ever ever ever would illegally immigrate there!
>>18628438Is not that I don't want to is that they completely shut their borders to immigration
>>18628460The USA, China, and your homeland would all be a better place if you killed yourself to be honest
>>18628460 Not having legal status didn’t slow abuela down from coming here, did it?
