Reminder : it was a war crime. Only Americans seriously think it was justified.
>>18621349But "war crime" is such an ugly word.Couldn't it be called something more diplomatically?
>>18621349>Kill 100,000 people with 2000 small bombs dropped from 500 planes>I sleep>Kill 100,000 people with one bomb dropped from 1 plane>Real shit?
>>18621359It also was a war crime actually. But the atomic bombings were worse because really, Japan had already been defeated.
>>18621363>already been defeated >doesn't surrender>doesn't surrender even after the first bomb>military stages a coup to continue fighting after the first bomb
>>18621367They didn't have time to react after the first bomb. And the military coup didn't have the backing of the army. Historically, Japan surrendered very easily all things considered.
>>18621354Maybe a breach of etiquette
If they didn't want to take a couple nukes in the teeth, they could have surrendered, they didn't so they got smacked. Also>>warcrimelollmaoSuch terms are meaningless. Everything that was done to Germany and Japan during the closing days of WW2 was about revenge, first and foremost, and that includes the Nuremberg Trials and the various trials of Japanese "war criminals" too. Not saying Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan didn't do some fucked up shit in that war and quite a lot of it, but get your head out of your ass and drop the moralizing.What matters is who wins, not who is "right".
>>18621349Who cares? The Japs deserved it at the time. Don't want to be hit? Don't start shit.
>>18621503Yeah, the Americans shouldn't have started an oil embargo on Japan. They got hit as a result.
>>18621349Reminder: weebs are degenerates
>>18621349And what are you going to do about it you brown pussy?
>>18621567>you refused to sell me something because of my violent behavior?>fuck you! I’m going to kill you!Are jap apologists the same as BLM?
OP, you are wrong: americattle does not think, it can only ruminate the goyslop its masters fed it
>>18621572And also encouraged the Dutch not to sell oil either. Effectively destroying the japanese economy. So they could just surrender to the US or try to fight back.
>>18621359Killing civilians with cancerous radiation is worse than killing civilians in conventional warcrimes, yes. Is this supposed to be an own? Also why do Amerisharts think bragging about extra warcrimes they committed somehow justifies their most disgusting ones?
>>18621349I'm Chinese but the way Americans talk about this made me realise Hirohito was right to try to save Greater East Asia from white demon monkeys who gleefully drop radiation bombs on women and children
>>18621359I guess the chemical weapons in WW1 weren't a warcrime because they only made up a fraction of the overall death toll. Actually, I guess nothing is ever a warcrime, because other warcrimes were also committed. I am very intelligent.
>>18621446How about spicy diplomacy? Maybe notification by fire? OH! Air burst razzmatazz. Fissile Friendship?>>18621349Look, when Japan apologizes for the treatment of American pows (including eating them), the rape of Nanjing, the Three Alls policy, the comfort women, unit 731, the Bataan death march and all those people they enslaved, we can talk about the ethics of nuking them. After they apologize for all of that.
>>18621744Of course they weren’t a war crime. No one even agreed that they should be banned until 1925.
>>18621617Access to white resources is not a human right.
>>18621740I'm Chinese and I despise Japan and I'm glad America did the right thing to them. Unfortunately the current generation of Americans have forgotten about the treacherous nature of japs.
>>18621349You're goddamn right.
>>18622037Doubt it. Americans still hate Japan despite it meekly obeying them for 80+ years. You can never win with mutts
>>18621899Japan did apologize.The thing is with Japanese war crimes, they usually don't try to explain they were actually justified and a good thing because it actually saved lives or something like that, which is what mutts do when they speak about Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
>>18621349>it was a war crime.That is a Lie, ...or you are an IdiotNuclear bombing has never - to this day - been specified through international treaty (the only way possible) as a War Crime (unlike Biological weapons research - which Anthony Fauci is guilty as Hell!)!According to the Geneva Convention on Biological Weapons, Fauci is to be HANGED!
>>18622473>Nuclear bombing has never - to this day - been specified through international treaty (the only way possible) as a War CrimeYeah. The Americans who organised the trials weren't going to condemn themselves. It was victor justice, that's all.
>>18621349What law did it break?
>>18621349>Only Americans seriously think it was justified.Ahem, aren't you forgetting someone?
>>18622486Pre-existing treaties on air warfare meant nothing in practice. The Americans couldn't have cared less about prior international law. At Tokyo and Nuremberg, they simply made up new rules on the fly to prosecute Japanese leaders.
>>18621899Japan killed less American civilians in the entirety of ww2 than Osama Bin Laden killed in one day. Amerisharts complain too much
>>18621899Japan has apologized repeatedly. Americans and Koreans have no intent of ever forgiving Japan, so most Japanese have simply realized that apologizing is a pointless endeavor.
>>18621899Mutts only ever apologise to negroes
>>18622483>Yeah. The Americans who organised the trials weren't going to condemn themselves. It was victor justice, that's all.Irrelevant.(YOU) said it was a "War crime"You lied.
>>18622498>The Americans...It broke NO LAW!your Premise was a Lie!
>>18621354Japan was using civilians as human meat shields which is also a warcrime so it's fair game
>>18621349Yet for some reason I can't bring myself to feel much sympathy for Imperial Japan...
>>18622593Same. Considering all the war crimes committed by the US, the deaths of their civilians don't bother me.
how is it a crime if nobody got in trouble?
>>18621471nuremberg and the occupation of japan were actually the most moderate resolution from the allies if i recall correctly. stalin and churchill wanted summary executions, and fdr i believe was actually pretty warm to the morgantheau plan, but henry stimson was so disgusted by it that he leaked it to the press and steered fdr to nuremberg. i believe stimson (and maybe churchill) was also the major voice for keeping the emperor and not just executing him.
>>18622696not saying nuremberg and japan's occupation weren't humiliating (they were), just that a lot worse may have happened
>>18622593>soldiers killed children in China so let's kill children in Japan Why do moralfags even bother with citing moral pretexts, just say you like killing children
>>18622593Not a historical photo, here is a Chinese professor debunking it.https://blog.creaders.net/u/11485/202409/497383.htmlIt comes from a 1984 movie 中国:等待黎明Why do Americans always lie?
Americans will always hate Japan, just like Slavs will always hate Germany. Nothing positive can come from trying to reason with fundamentally hostile states who arrogantly waive the banner of Victory's Justice against you.Of the major Axis powers, only the Italians hold the illusion of one day being accepted by the world and forgiven. But they're deluded.
>>18621349Legitimate targets though.
Japan didn't care about Japanese casualties so why would the Americans? Serious question.
>>18621349Nobody outside of Japan gives a shit
>>18621354kinetic negotiation
>>18621740>anon woke up today and decided to larp as a chinaman who thinks Americans were too harsh on the Japaneseskekw
campists getting psyopped into defending imperial japan because america bad
>>18622593This image is a widely debunked lie (even by the Chinese themselves) that gets spammed across the American and Korean internet.Goes to show how low the intellectual credibility of anti-Japanese propagandists is.
>>18621349The real war crime is autistically demanding unconditional surrender when a few nominal concessions (e.g. we won't execute the emperor) would probably be enough for them to give up early on. But really, those in charge just wanted an excuse to ethnically cleanse their rivals when they had the chance. Both the Axis and Allies were guilty of this.
>>18623570>Goes to show how low the intellectual credibility of anti-Japanese propagandists is.Most anti-Japan posting in the West comes from Browns who also hate Whites. They frequently refer to Japan as the "Israel of East Asia" too because not wanting a billion Third Worlders flooding your country is genocide o algo.
>>18623641Because it isZionism depravity is only comparable to the japanese empire and what was done in Korea and Manchuria and parts of China is easily comparable to Palestine
>>18621349was it actually a war crime strictly speaking?conventional bombing isn't a war crime? i don't think anyone was tried by the allies after the war for bombing?the argument is that nukes are chemical weapons, but i thought radiation was minimal from those early bombs and only a really small amount of people got cancer laterits hard because atomic bombs do kinda stretch the limit of what a bomb is and what aerial bombardment is supposed to achievebut if the firebombings aren't war crimes than the early nukes don't seem either.later stuff like the H bombs definitely would be, i agree with those guys on that
>>18621349Japs deserved itIn fact I believe Americans should have nuked Tokyo and Kyoto
>>18623734>conventional bombing isn't a war crime? i don't think anyone was tried by the allies after the war for bombing?It is when you specifically target civilians. Which the allies did. Of course no one was condemned for that. Even if the Tokyo and Nuremberg trials weren't fair by any means, it would still have been pretty easy for the defence to point out the hypocrisy of the accusation in this case.
>>18622593>other countries committing war crimes gives us an excuse to commit war crimes ourselvesWhy are defenders of American war crimes like this?
>>18621349>nip rape apes find out and then start bawling and dribbles tears over their sushi rollsYou love to see it.
>>18624847See: >>18624823
>>18624859Uh, yes anon, chimping out gives me an excuse to chimp out on you. That's how this works. If you broke into my house, I would blow your fucking head off with my boomstick. Otherwise I wouldn't do it and would be your friend. Your behavior determines my behavior. Very basic stuff.
>>18624869It's not about self-defense, just imperialism. The US started a bunch of wars as an aggressor, including one ongoing one.
>>18624869So every irakian or afghan have a right to kill a bunch of Americans because they acted like barbarians and invaded their countries?
>>18624887Japan was an imperial power and started a war with the USA. Retard.>>18624892Yes? And they did.
>>18623865>Which the allies did.Examples? More specifically: examples of bombings that were specifically meant to kill civilians without regard of the targets' military, industrial or logistical use (all of which, if left untouched, existed to prolong the war)?
>>18624899>Afghanis have the right to kill meCuck
>>18625032If I were a US soldier and I went into occupied Afghanistan, I would assume they would attempt to kill me. That's just common sense, you retarded faggot. Go ahead and be "not a cuck" and get blown the fuck up by an IED.
>>18625046It's not just US soldier. By your logic, an Afghan have every right to bomb an american school full of children because the US government bombed civilians.
>>18625025See.>>18621363
>>18625051The entire reason the US invaded Afghanistan to begin with was because of a terrorist attack against civilians in the USA, you utter retard. They already did it before the war even began. Were you just born and don't know any of this?
>>18625066Great. So Irakians have every right to bomb american schools then.
>>18625069You mean right now, today, in our current situation? No.In a hypothetical situation where Americans invaded them, and they were able to push them back to their homeland, and the schools were collateral damage (would literally never happen)? Sure.
>>18625056Makes sense to me. TO hit the labour and conscript pool of the enemy.
>>18621744Chemical weapons were banned because they are insidious and cannot be controlled due to the way the wind can spread them around. Also, poisoning the earth for long time afterward. Nukes are only a problem when produced at scale. They're just another bomb.
>>18621363Japan did not agree to surrender to the terms they were offered, so no, they were not defeated. They still believed they could wring conditions out of the Allies from a position of strength. The US disabused them of this notion.
>>18625204Retard alert
>>18625204How dumb do you have to be to believe this
>>18623734>but i thought radiation was minimal from those early bombs and only a really small amount of people got cancer laterThat is correct. The radiation fearmongering has led to widespread misinformation about the weapons to this day. Nuclear bombs have a very small amount of radioactive material and it gets vaporized instantly when the bomb goes off. There is radiation, but it is very short-lived, in an air-burst detonation which both of the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan were.Both Nagasaki and Hiroshima were safe to enter and live in within a few days.
>>18625195Which are civilians.
>>18624847>>18624869Strait status???Hormusi is closed???America lost LOLDay 120 of the 6 hour special operation to regime change Iroon.Yahu and ZOGnald are now with Banan man.
>>18625211>>18625215Being able to kill tens of thousands of people with a single bomb has no meaningful distinction from killing the same number of people with thousands of smaller bombs. In moral terms, they are equivalent. There's nothing particularly heinous about using nuclear weapons to kill people.The reason they're feared isn't their power, it's the ability to mass produce them, for relatively little cost. The cost of producing 2 nuclear bombs, and then flying 2 planes over 2 cities to drop them, is much much smaller than the cost of thousands of planes and thousands of airmen dropping tens of thousands of ordinance on one city over a period of weeks. The months of factories turning out bombs, the uncountable hundreds of thousands of gallons of fuel for all the planes, and then the immense logistical headache of coordinating a sustained bombing campaign over weeks, ensuring every plane has fuel, ensuring every airman has the correct target coordinates, ensuring the bombs keep coming. Or you can just make a small handful of bombs, put them on a handful of planes, then over a course of a couple days, reduce the whole city and the surrounding area to ash. If you can only build a couple of those bombs, then however powerful they are, it's not an existential threat. But if you can churn out hundreds of such weapons? Well, now you can wage a war of total annihilation for very little money, with very little manpower, very little material investment, with exceedingly simple logistics. THAT is what is terrifying. Not big boom. It's big boom x 10000
>>18625220Did you really come into the thread just to shit your pants and cry like a pathetic bitch? Kek.
>>18625216>were safe to enter and live in within a few daysThis isn't true. The regions still had an elevated risk of cancer as late as the 1960s. And descendants of survivors to this day are more likely to have mental disabilities than the general population
>>18625233It is different because it leads to permanent health problems in an affected population
>>18625237Shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor.
>>18625283Pearl Harbor was a legitimate military target. Less than a hundred civilians were killed.Of course that seems like a lot to Americans since they've never meaningfully suffered as a nation (except the one time they chimped out and killed each other over negro rights)
>>18625302All the same. Shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor. Start shit get hit.And correct. We've never meaningfully suffered except when we did it to ourselves, because we're too powerful. The Japanese tried to make us suffer but they got their shit pushed in.
>>18625307I agree America is powerful but that has more to do with its geography than the intellect of its mongrel population. Fortunately, the natural trend of mongrel states is to decay over time, so we can be ascertained that the day will come when America is no longer a threat to the world.
>>18625317America started off as English colonies on the east coast of the mainland. Its population's intellect and strategic brilliance are what allowed it to expand its territory all the way across to the other coast, and then extend its influence across the globe. Its current geography is entirely due to strategic victories. You're coping.>in 2 more weeks, America will collapse!Kek. Okay vassal.
>>18625307The Japanese didn't care about America dumbfuck. They were an American ally in WW1.They declared war on you because you were selling weapons to the Soviets and Kuomintang while blocking the free trade of Dutch goods to their nation. This was extremely hypocritical in light of the Atlantic Charter which supposedly advocated freedom of trade
>>18625346Please refer to this post: >>18625283
>>18625338Genociding a few million drunken Indio retards isn't impressive. America since its inception has never had a real enemy on its continent, so instead it gets involved in wars on everyone else's continents all to fulfill its messianic Christian god complex
>>18625352So does America believe in freedom of trade or not? Does America believe in anything, other than its own arrogance?
>>18625346Reminder that the American alliance with the USSR was so great they actively sold out Manchuria to them in the Yalta conference, backstabbing the Kuomintang who was also supposedly their ally.The main reason America got involved in East Asia was to prop up Soviet influence
>>18625354Whatever helps you cope, vassal.>>18625357I don't know about any of that, but what I do know is that you shouldn't have attacked Pearl Harbor.
>>18625372I'm glad you acknowledge you see Japan as a vassal, rather than an 'ally.' It's a rare glimpse of honesty from a mutt.Does America have any allies left though? You backstabbed the British Empire and sold it off to the Soviets. I suppose Russia has always been your real ally
>>18625381Of course Japan is a vassal. They wanted to become a superpower, but got cucked and nuked into unconditional surrender because they poked the bear. It's what they deserve for getting too uppity.America has allies, partners and vassals all over the entire globe. For one major obvious example, it's the premier constituent member of NATO.
>>18625401So you consider Japan a vassal, but you expect me to believe you consider Italy, Germany, and UK to be equal partners? Even though these were also civilizations which America destroyed and subjugated in alliance with the Soviet Union?
>>18625422Who said anything about being equal? The USA dominates them in every way.
>>18625207Of course they were defeated. There was nothing Japan could have done to hurt America at this point. But the thing is the US weren't offering anything else than total submission and that wasn't acceptable for Japan.
>>18625483So you would say they are vassals, correct? Your previous talk of 'NATO allies' was meaningless prattle?
>>18625500They're allies, but objectively not equal. The USA pulls most of the weight. You're free to look this up if you don't believe it.
>>18625523Explain what makes Japan a 'vassal' while Italy and Germany are 'allies.' Do you treat your allies identical to how you treat your vassals? Because I'm failing to grasp the difference.
>>18625530Japan was the USA's main enemy. We nuked them. We forced unconditional surrender. MacArthur took a selfie with Hirohito to mog him and humiliate the nation. They're the ones who dragged the USA into the war with a cowardly sneak attack when it was trying to stay out of it. It's a different situation. Japan wanted to be le epic conqueror but we turned them out to become our bitch that produces anime and waifus and video games for us.
>>18621354War crimes don't exist. The United Nations is a Jewish organization.
>>18625578And what makes that different from what happened to Germany? The Germans were genocided as a result of the war, so arguably Japan got off easily.You still haven't explained the difference between an American ally and an American vassal. Perhaps because there isn't one?
>>18625578>when it was trying to stay out of it>when it was trying to stay out of it>when it was trying to stay out of itAmerisharts actually believe this AHAHAHA
>>18625578Pearl Harbor wasn't a sneak attack, it was a legitimate attack on a military target that took place 30 minutes after news of war was sent to Washington DC. It's also been proven the Roosevelt admin knew the attack was coming in advance. Do you know how far away Hawaii is from Japan? Does anyone believe it's possible to launch a 'sneak attack' from a distance of 4000 miles?
>>18625658>And what makes that different from what happened to Germany?Germany had more beef with the UK than the USA. They are similar, but with Japan it was a lot more personal.>The Germans were genocided as a result of the war, so arguably Japan got off easily.Yes, they did get off easy compared to what they deserved. America is actually quite benevolent and merciful.>You still haven't explained the difference between an American ally and an American vassal. Perhaps because there isn't one?It's true that weaker members of an alliance are basically forced to act like vassals since there is such a power imbalance. The USA saved western Europe twice - once from the nazi occupation and then again by preventing soviet assrape. Helped Europe rebuild. Guarded them during the cold war. And now still protects them. So it really is a very vassal-like existence for yuropoors.>>18625662>y-y-you wouldn't trade us oil for our rapenigger rampage... this is your fault... we had to attack you so we could keep raping... YOU STARTED THIS!!!!!Cope. Seethe even. And then get nuked twice for your insolence.
>>18625690Literal made-up bullshit. You should commit seppuku for this dishonorable conduct.
>>18625578America wasn't trying to stay out of WW2. They were already allied with both the Soviet Union and the Kuomintang, and were waging a naval war against the Germans.The notion America was "trying our best to stay out of it" is so delusional it's something only a mutt could possibly believe
>>18625705Yes, that was trying to stay out of it, but it was clearly going to be impossible, retard. If the USA wasn't trying to stay out of it then they would have just jumped in. Instead they had to be dragged in piecemeal as the bullshit kept piling up.
>>18625710>If the USA wasn't trying to stay out of it then they would have just jumped inThey did just jump in. Roosevelt didn't officialize the war because he lacked support in Congress, but beyond that America was de facto in the war from mid 1941 onwards
>>18625700>Germany had more beef with the UK than the USAObjectively incorrect statement>Yes, they did get off easy compared to what they deservedSo you believe both the Germans and Japanese should have been genocided by the Soviets, instead of just the Germans? I know that's what you believe, I just want to hear you spell it out.>and then again by preventing soviet assrape.What? America has only ever facilitated the Soviets, in both Europe and East Asia. Even the collapse of the Soviet Union was due to their own incompetence. The CIA intended to keep Europe permanently divided between NATO and the Warsaw Pact.
>>18625700>>y-y-you wouldn't trade us oilIt was more that America illegally cut off Dutch and German trade to Japan while selling weapons to all of Japan's enemies in East Asia. But sure that's totally above board and doesn't violate America's own alleged principles stated in the Atlantic Charter
>>18625716More made-up bullshit.>Roosevelt didn't officialize the war because he lacked support in CongressSo in other words, the USA was trying to stay out of it? Cool.>>18625725>The USA actually facilitated the soviets all along, that's why they did all that constant fighting to "contain communism" and politically persecuted communists at home, it was all because they actually liked them!Okay, I think it's time to take your meds.
>>18625732They were more than welcome to cry about it. What they weren't welcome to do was launch a cowardly attack against the USA because they wouldn't give them more oil to continue their rape rampage.
>>18625737>So in other words, the USA was trying to stay out of itThe Executive branch wasn't. The Legislative branch was politically divided, as it always is in America. You're just bragging that you have a dysfunctional political system.
America doesn’t have to justify itself to brown people
>>18625737America never intended to defeat the USSR. It's been proven the CIA planned to permanently keep Europe divided between itself and the Warsaw Pact.
>>18625740Pearl Harbor was a legitimate military target, targeting it was not against the rules of warfare. America had already broken its own international laws by illegally throttling trade to Japan.
>>18625741The greatest country in world history has a "dysfunctional political system" according to this anon, kek.>>18625751That's because the USSR was nuclear-armed and there was no feasible way to defeat it. If you're sane, you work with the current political situation, not idealistic scenarios in your head.>>18625754If you say so. What is undeniably true is that attacking Pearl Harbor led to Japan being nuked twice, losing its entire empire, and becoming the USA's vassal. So, at the end of the day, refer to this post >>18625283
>>18625784Arrogance has its limits. Perhaps you shouldn't have betrayed the British to the Soviets, then maybe you would have one nation stupid enough to be your ally. But giving advice to Americans is not my intention. I have grown bored of your conversation, or lack of such. There is nothing left to speak of.
>>18625801The UK is literally and officially an ally of the USA, as I've previously stated, and as you can easily look up yourself, if you weren't convinced of your own stupid theories borne of asspain.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO
>>18625810Which, as you've already gracefully established, is tantamount to being a vassal. America is not interested in alliances with any nations except for Russia
>>18625812You should seek psychiatric help for your bizarre delusions.
>>18621471Unfathomably based.
>>18621349>this is...le war crime because it LOOKS SCARY and killed people!>no I don't care that 3x more people died in the firebombingsSeems a bit performative.
>>18626552Firebombing Tokyo was also a war crime obviously. But Hiroshima and especially Nagasaki, were worse because they could have been avoided.
>>18621471Yea it's very weird to me the "might is right" crowd are so mad at "war crimes".
>>18627336>might is right crowdWho?The Axis in WWII weren’t might is right.The Anglos who have always been excessively Nietzschean will to power types love crimes but the hypocrisy is when they declare them crimes for thee but not for me.We are watching lefties argue with themselves.
>>18625746That is because America is brown people therefore America is wrong.
>>18625784It wasn’t nuclear armed in 1947 when the USSR was at its weakest and completely dependent on American food imports.
>>18625740>rampageWow China must be thankful and totally not chasing American deaths by giving targeting data to America’s enemies!Well played liberal American!>>18625737>stay out of it by shutting down shippingHmmmm rather ironic this is where the American empire both began and ended LOL
>>18625234I came into this thread to point out America is a bitch lmfao.Want to see my state license? I am collecting welfare from American Liberals as a White European.I breed, you pay.Pay up leftroon
>>18625493>and that wasn't acceptable for Japan.So they showed defiance and thus weren't defeated. Way to prove your point wrong.
>>18627348>Nietzschean will to power typesYes, that's the nazis
>>18627360>Wow China must be thankful and totally not chasing American deaths by giving targeting data to America’s enemies!>Well played liberal American!America can more than easily handle China lol and what we do with China is none of your third world business
>>18627493It's pretty easy to understand that militarily, Japan was defeated and could no longer threaten the US. Politically, they didn't want an unconditional surrender, and you do realise that most of the time countries very rarely surrender without conditions, it's not hard actually to understand the distinction.
>>18627514>America can more than easily handle ChinaAmerica has just been defeated by Iran.
>>18628433Iran isn't even a real war because there's no boots on the ground, you retards said so yourselves
>>18628440Keep coping.
