Discuss panpsychism. Is consciousness really fundamental?
>>18624897>Is consciousness really fundamental?Far from it. It is a product of evolved brains.
>>18624897>ism this, ism thatNo need for isms when talking about God (Consciousness, your Self).
I think god really is benevolent which is why only 1% of his creatures have highly limited agency and autonomy. It really is a rare curse, you could say that after letting go of the ego the holy spirit comes to you. Everything you think is bad you were brainwashed subconsciously via childhood to believe so. Your brain doesn't come with a prepackage nerve that says "rape bad -here" Accepting this requires killing of the ego.
>>18624903>matter just magically configured itself to produce subjective experience through evolution o algo
>>18625155What magic? Are you retarded?
>>18625247Yes. He is retarded. Specifically, he's a narcissist. The idea that the self is somehow more fundamental than anything else is a common idea among people for whom the self is all consuming.
>>18624897>>18624903>>18625155>the wall is a rectangle because the bricks are rectangular
>>18625250I think that's an accurate diagnosis.
I think consciousness is an emergent property of a complex system. Everyone that can start a sentence with "I think" agrees with me lol.But seriously a banana isnt conscious but when i eat one it becomes part of a conscious being and it does become conscious is it because consciousness is inherent or it happens when the conditions are right. Like a dance or a flame its not really a thing its an activity.
>>18625265Westerns are so practiced in the subject vs object anxiety that the universe being either authored by a subject or an object is inescapable
>>18624897It's the most plausible theory if you're a scientific reductionist. You don't have to explain how consciousness emerge since it's fundamental and you get to keep the insights of neuroscience. However, the combination problem (or decombination problem if your a cosmopsychist) may be a reason to be suspicious of the theory. Also, panpsychism is a meta-theory of consciousness (e.g. where is consciousness), so you'll still have to answer it's relation to material properties. So, you can be a dualist (substance and property) panpsychist or an idealist panpsychist or a neutral monist panpsychist etc... But, it should be noted that the two major theories on substance (Substratum and Bundle Theory) say that it is logically only possible to have substances to have only one property. Which makes neutral monist/property dualist panpsychism less likely.Now from my perspective I'm personally a substance dualist and not a panpsychist. I find panpsychism to be unintuitive and believe emergence to be possible in the natural world.
>>18625250"The Self" in nondual philosophy has basically nothing to do with personal selves. It's the inherent principle within all things that is the same. Every entity or thing has the same Self, even if the empirical natures of two entities or things are vastly different. For example >>18625265 says>but seriously a banana isnt consciousYet the innermost nature of that banana is the same as your innermost nature. It's not narcissistic, it dissolves the ego if done correctly.
>>18624897>asking /his/ this>>18624903>getting this bullshit pulled from an assAnon, why?...Im currently studying Cognition and it's Geneological correlation.https://youtu.be/_naN2laTOnw
>>18625277>It's the most plausible theory if you're a scientific reductionistYou have no idea what scientific reductionism is. There is no basis in science for making consciousness fundamental at all.
>>18625326>There is no basis in science for making consciousness fundamentalSo Consciousness is a magical effect independent from all Physics?...is it...le "Dark Energy"?
>>18625280>"The Self" in nondual philosophy has basically nothing to do with personal selves. It's the inherent principle within all things that is the same. Every entity or thing has the same Self, even if the empirical natures of two entities or things are vastly different. For example >>18625265 says>>>/x/>Yet the innermost nature of that banana is the same as your innermost nature. It's not narcissistic, it dissolves the ego if done correctly.>>>/x/>>18625326This.
I don't think panpsychism is opposed to Christianity, therefore it is possible. Now if someone were to try and conclude that because panpsychism is true, then this mean pantheism is true, this is false. Consciousness being a fundamental part of nature (or supernature?) doesn't really effect Christian belief or not. The whole thing about qualia and consciousness is a problem in modern philosophy which Christianity antedates.
>>18625336Have you never heard of monism or something? Nothing I said had anything to do with paranormal activity
>>18625247You're the one stating material objects can produce immaterial experiences, fucking retard.>>18625250>The idea that the self is somehow more fundamental than anything else is a common idea among people for whom the self is all consuming.This lack of self-awareness coming from a tripfag is astounding lol>>18625255>stating consciousness is fundamental is anthropomorphism o algoAnother kike materialist strawman.
>>18625535>immaterial experiencesWhere did I say experiences are "immaterial"? Stop hallucinating, schizo.
>>18625535>>stating consciousness is fundamental is anthropomorphism o algo>Another kike materialist strawman.>ACKshually the Consciousness I'm talking about is completely different than consciousness it's transcendental and self evident!!Materialism (especially when combined with utilitarianism) results in the other definition I posted, leaving neutral monism as the only sensible option, and this should be treated as provisional and entirely the domain of astrophysics, and it will use language completely apart from these paradigms as usual to avoid engaging subhuman retards such as yourself. It's your false dilemma that is the strawman.
>>18625560>Where did I say experiences are "immaterial"?When you suggested the phenomenal experience of consciousness was real.
>>18625576>>ACKshually the Consciousness I'm talking about is completely different than consciousness it's transcendental and self evident!!There's more than one person talking to you, samefag.
>>18625577So you did hallucinate it, since I never used stupid terms like "phenomenal experience of consciousness".
>>18625591You said consciousness was a "product" of an evolved brain. You implied that consciousness exists.
>>18625594So? Where does "magic" come into this?
>>18625597Emergentism (material structures form phenomenal states) is backdoor dualism. Hope this helps!
>>18625276Well in the East you guys don't even have a distinction so you might as well be fedora toppers.
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>>18625599I don't see why you think random schizobabble would help anyone. Try posting again after taking your meds.
>>18625620You could have just denied consciousness exists and saved yourself the embarrassment.
>>18625626I'm not interested in indulging your schizophrenic hallucinations, sorry.
>>18625637Cope.
>>18624897My guess is that its similar to a field. And you can grasp that consiousness once your equipment is good enough to catch it. Like a signal of some sort. That would explain why animals are conscious, but not to the same degree as a person is. Since their equipment isnt as advanced as ours.
>materialism is the best! there are no arguments against it!*argument raised against it*>what are you, INSANE???Every time. No sense arguing with p-zombies
>>18625652I see your equipment was not good enough to receive today's special consciousness radiowave broadcast from the consciousness radio tower.
>>18625669Much better than believing something retarded like brains generating consiousness or something. Couldnt be me.
>>18625687I agree, we're lucky that even brainless people such as you have been given a good enough equipment to at least intercept a few low-quality consciousness radiowaves from the central consciousness radio towers.
>>18625699Did I hit a nerve? You are not one of those idiots who unironically believe shit like this >>18624903 do you?
>>18624897Define "fundamental", I think it could be inevitable for a complex enough system. Physicists like Roger Penrose have proposed the idea that consciousness is a consequence of quantum mechanics for example, so to a degree it is fundamental. However, a rock is never going to be conscious because it cannot store as much information as a brain can, and information theory is critical when it comes to consciousness I think.
>>18625721It's impressive that you know about nerves, anon! Investing in the subsidised consciousness educational radiowaves was surely a good idea.
>>18624897>consciousness is separate from matter >evolution le happens in a purely mechanical way >brain just so happens to evolve in such a way as to be a reciever to this strange magical substance called subjective experience that is completely unnecessary to its function this is the problem I have with consciousness being magical
>>18625726My condolences, I hope you finish the development of your prefrontal cortex someday. Might explain why you post that way.
>>18625724>Physicists like Roger Penrose have proposed the idea that consciousness is a consequence of quantum mechanicsPenrose's theory is rightly treated as crackpot-tier garbage by physicists. Although it is quite popular among clueless laypeople because of Penrose's PR management.
>>18625613>"I don't think the Talmud is that big of deal" invalidates your opinion on panpsychismWow, you're extra special, aren't you! Hopefully your special person will be here to take you home and then you can have nap time!
>>18625765>>"I don't think the Talmud is that big of deal"But that's not what you said, lying kike.
>>18625762>it's wrong because..... IT JUST IS, OKAY?!
Think stuff like.. memories. Definitively has something to do with the brainI don't know what it would be like to be conscious without memories at allHow does a proton think without memories? Thinking also involves changing from one mental state, to another. I'm very sure.How do particles think without changing? How does the "small consciousness" of atoms and rocks, form my "big consciousness" , hard problem right thereDon't think panpsychism really brings anything to the table. It doesn't explain anything. It doesn't enable me to do something I couldn't do before. It doesn't help me understand how anything worksNot any content
>>18625984>Think stuff like.. memories. Definitively has something to do with the brainhttps://youtu.be/AvK9HvMk2t4>How does a proton think without memories?Thinking requires partitioning, it projects and emits, a motive force.
>>18625984>Thinking also involves changing from one mental state, to another.Ah, see, so mono-proton could not do that, but not everything you do you "thought"...you move and act without thought every second, down to heart beats and cellular divisions which are movements.
>>18625984>It doesn't help me understand how anything worksMotion. E-motion.
>>18625936>But that's not what you said, lying kike.I literally gave you reason to ignore any part of the Talmud you don't like, without even endorsing the Talmud. I'll be honest, I've only read bits of it because it's long and fucking boring. But pretending it's some kind of Jewish holy book is wrong.
>>18626029Denounce the Talmud.
>>18626029You should change your name to Obnoxious Hasbara Redditor
>>18625999Right, so the 90% thing. That's just a lie. Don't know how it's still perpetuated. Dishonesty? Whatever, call me when someone is missing 100% of their brain
>>18625611>nondualSubject, object, nondualist, all seem like outdated and crude concepts. If consciousness is an activity of matter, then the definition of matter needs to be expanded, or called something else, if not a 4th/5th state of matter, then another word located in some empirical research program since the concept would be stretched too thinly. Have there been attempts to re-classify forms of matter that don't fit neatly as solid/liquid/gas? Electricity and magnetism, or some "field" or "energy" or "waves" causing behavior specific to complex processes in the brain or near black holes for example. I doubt anyone on /his/ is knowledgable about shit like cemi field theory.>>18625762Feel free to pitch in.
Agreed with the other anon, consciousness is an emergent property of complex systems.Why do people find this so hard to believe compared to the dozens of other emergent properties that biological systems have, like eating food and reproducing?
>>18626522>Agreed with the other anon, consciousness is an emergent property of complex systems.But is it the complexity in of itself that matters (see: the heap paradox), or does it function as a gradient? Either way, you won't have a coherent explanation for consciousness>Why do people find this so hard to believe compared to the dozens of other emergent properties that biological systems have, like eating food and reproducing?Because those are not "emergent".
>>18626217>Whatever, call me when someone is missing 100% of their brainYoure so obtuse you would classify as "brainless".>That's just a lie. Stop lying to yourself.>Dishonesty?Youre seeking any evidence, no matter how small, to validate your position. Thats dishonest.Stop living a lie you mindless NPC...youre not a doctor, youre not a researcher, youre a emotionally driven activist for yourself.
>>18624897yes, I waved at the sun this morning and he said hello back to me
>>18624897 Panpsychism is the idea that consciousness did not evolve to meet some survival need, nor did it emerge when brains became sufficiently complex. Instead it is inherent in matter — all matter. [1] The problem, of course, is that there is no reason to believe that dirt is conscious. It doesn't react when you hit it. It doesn't speak. There are no verses in the King James Bible that suggest that inanimate matter has consciousness. There is really no test we can run to determine whether a pile of dirt has any inner life whatsoever. In this way the hypothesis is non-falsifiable. Further, all the evidence we have suggests that something without a brain or a nervous system, or some analogous system can not have consciousness. Rather, these are emergent properties of certain biological systems, at least in the present material world. Again, if you can produce a verse that says a painting has a soul, I'm all ears. Otherwise, I suggest you grow up and stop playing make believe. Also, you're brown.References:[1] https://www.discovermagazine.com/panpsychism-the-trippy-theory-that-everything-from-bananas-to-bicycles-are-42248
>>18626812Everything you said is retarded pseudo-science to flat out counter true.>I suggest you grow up and stop playing make believe. Stop LARPing the oppposite of reality.>Also, you're brown.Oh, my apologies, Rabbi, shalom! As you were, spreading anti-Truths to the goy-minals.
>>18626846Your brain is completely worthless. I recommend a lobotomy.
>>18626847>no u rMarvelous! Shabbat shalom to you too!If you wish to discuss the state of the qrt in Morphic Resonance, BioPhysics, or Cognition, please get a relevent PhD before returning to me.
>>18626862>hot airKeep huffing gas, dork. You lost.
>>18626866>no u r...wow...the lack or self awareness is literal "breakfast tier".
>>18626870Hopefully a tumor takes your brain. You don't deserve it. Goodbye, rodent.
>>18626780The man is not missing 90% of his brain. That number was made-up by some online news magazine, and they've since redacted and apologized for the error.
>>18626893>Rather than 90 percent of this man’s brain being missing, it’s more likely that it’s simply been compressed into the thin layer>[mrph-gulp]STOP SUCKING YOURSELF OFF WITH SEMANTICS, PILULLING RABBI...>>18626873>no u r>MRPH-GAGGLE-GULP!]You needed a father figure but you have two moms.Your god is an ignorant shitbag because youre made in its image.
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>>18627037>posts fake medicine from a charlatan thiefHow modern of you...safe & effective Im sure.
>>18626812>https://www.discovermagazine.com/panpsychism-the-trippy-theory-that-everything-from-bananas-to-bicycles-are-42248>Materialists say that physical matter is all there is. Consciousness emerges (somehow, no one can explain just how) out of the physical brain. See;>>18625301>Dualists, on the other hand, argue that consciousness is something separate from matter. "Magical fantasy nonsense detached from reality so it be whatever I want it to be and never be disproven lmao checkmate chud!"Self referential digestive system (circular). A hueman-centipede of one.>>18626812>The problem, of course, is that there is no reason to believe that dirt is conscious. It doesn't react when you hit it. It doesn't speak."Consciousness means it like Nacho cheese cruncheeto suprems and baja blasts, jUsT lIkE mE!"Solipsistic NPC's interpretation of qualia, the shallowest form of Psycho-Analysis. This exact same rule of measurement would apply to them, meaning he has no soul or lifeforce, he is a bag of molecules acted upon by external forces alone to react back like a leaf in the wind.>There are no verses in the King James Bible that suggest that inanimate matter has consciousness. Exodus 3:4"And when the Lord saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."..."God called unto him out of the midst of the bush"...https://youtu.be/NEWp-VtEMtsIS THIS THE BEST YOUR GOD CAN CREATE?! (You)?!?
>>18627171So that was a bunch of nonsense. You did attempt to produce one piece of evidence in Exodus 3:4, but of course that's clearly saying that God called out from a bush, not that the bush had consciousness. I'm so glad I don't have your worthless brain.
>>18627171>the bushWell, its "living", I was thinking in "not hueman" terms.Matthew 17:5"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."..."a voice out of the cloud"...*If* walls could talk?! IF?!?!????
>>18627184I'm so glad I don't have your worthless brain. Lobotomy, now.
>>18627184Holy shit, a namefag even dumber than me.
>>18627183>>18627186>when you get BTFO'd so hard you detach from reality and "MeRelY iMpLy" you won via "infinity+1 nana booboo"Why did you choose to become a retarded construct of your own delusions?
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>>18627203Try me, dumbfuck.>oh man, oh wee, I sure won>[smug face]...that was a good try, kiddo...
>>18627217You're gay I guess are you at least good looking in shape? I want a man's touch...
>>18627216>"iM a PsYcHiAtRiSt NoW!"And...how long have these feelings of diagnostic qualifications persisted for and are the always or intermittent?
[writes down "Sexual confusion and delusions of granduer."]How often do you act on these feelings? Just online or with others elsewhere?
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>>18627228["Patient is treatment resistant with cyclic delusional thought patterns."]Do you have a caretaker?
>>18627217>>18627224>>18627227See, folks, this is evidence against panpsychism. What we have here is something that is without question not conscious, thus making the whole "pan" part impossible. I can't rule out consciousness existing everywhere but inside this guy's head, though.
>>18627233Rare RDG W. /thread
Cult of Passion's presence here is a sign of the end times for /his/.
>>18627233>"MeRelY iMpLy" you won via "infinity+1 nana booboo">>18626862>Morphic Resonance, BioPhysics, or CognitionWe can discuss reality...or you ego-emotional narrative...but you will never choose reality...because youre just an "emotional state" like a woman.Did you notice that, youre a woman with a penis?
>>18627246I knowed you was gay
>>18627236>[one monkey hugging another during a stressful event]["Feelings inadequacy and co-depency."]How else does he make you feel?
>>18627247["Hyper-arousal impulses breaking through unprompted and in out of appropriate situation."]Have you ever been told you are sexually aggressive?...or a partner leaving abruptly before a sexual encounter?
>>18627253>>18627257I'm sorry, guys. My whole purpose on this board is to make fun of stupid people but I literally can't think of anything funny to say about this shit.
>>18627258[Masking own emotions of shame with self deprication in an unrelated topic to bluff himself into a self soothing state.]Did you have a blanket or stuffed animal you carried around until older than other kids did? Bed wetting? Debilitating shyness in youth?
>>18627264Well, doctor, everything was normal until I was bitten by a radioactive panpsychist and gain the proportional strength and speed of retard.
>>18624897>panpsychismMorphic Resonance via BioMagnetics into BioElectric (like Michael Levin's work, Ive studied almost all of his and came to similar conclusions independently) to trigger required Molecular changes in an organism.We *could* have talked about the topic...but none of you want to sit through a few PhD courses, so...meh, shitpost it is...
>>18627282There's nothing to talk about. It's all make believe.
>>18627292>some of the biggest names in Biology today>"Uh, acktually I peer reviewed them as dum-dum."Marvelous example of "4Chan culture".Why is there a Topological overlap of seashell-animal (forgot which) growth and fracton quasiparticles?
>>18627300Again, there's nothing to discuss. Your brain is worthless. :D
>>18627311>t.Where is your husband or father?
>>18624897Panpsychism is unverifiable pseudoscience and retardation.It's the same as animism just applied to consciousness. By extension panpsychist retards should also believe in animism
>>18627346>I'm so perverted and I hate God so much that I can't even tell the difference between a man and a womanWe know.
>>18627414>Its magical fantasy stuff!Go to class. Having an 8th grade understanding of Biology founded on 1960's research isnt "education".
>>18627459I can pay for classes in feminist studies, too. Guess what? That doesn't make it legit. You got scammed, dork. Own it and grow up.
>>18627423[Gender confusion and delusional sense of self.]If you think, act, and emote, as a woman...then what does this make (You)?You do not behave like a man, therefore you are living as a women and confusing feminine behavior as masculine, inversely you will attribute masculine behavior in women as feminine.Very (((modernity))).
>>18627459How do you empirically investigate if an electron is conscious or not?
>>18627474Yeah ironically believing in mysticism is very feminine. Might as well be talking about astral projection or astrology.
>>18627462[Avoids direct statements and responds to straman delusions to protect her ego-construct.]Is the "loser-man-pig" in the room with me or in your room, or "everywhere"?
>>18627491*yawn*
>>18627476>>18627488[Patients keep discussing internal conflicts with imaginary opponents while speaking with me.]If you cannot discern reality in a message board discussion then how are you able to peer review scientific fields you cannot even define?
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>>18627476>How do you empirically investigate if an electron is conscious or not?Youre not a Physicst or Cognitive Psychologist, do you ask a heart surgeon "...but how?!" every time they say what the next step is?Youre an emotional woman...get a grip.
>>18627491[Performs amateur psychoanalysis via loaded brackets, then launches a deliberately incoherent spatial riddle about an invented slur to force engagement on his terms.]The “loser-man-pig” is currently occupying the exact coordinates of whoever just typed that sentence.
>>18627499[Projects clinical authority through a one-line diagnosis, then pivots to a gotcha question that pretends the opponent’s competence is already disproven.] The only imaginary opponent here is the one you keep inventing so you can feel like a therapist instead of just another rodent.
>>18627499>>18627503>>18627504I can tell you're pretty new to this whole namefag thing. Look, dude, when you have an name people can tell when you're triple posting. It's fucking cringe, which I guess is on-brand for someone like you.
>>18627505>>18627508>copies me WINRAR.>>18627510Stop sucking your own ego-penis TRIPFAG.Trip code is for people who's posts are easily faked by others, its done to protect your ego-reputation!YOURE SEEKING AN IDENTITY!(This act implies you dont have one...)
>>18627518Wait, what's happening? What did you do to me mighty panpsychic genius? No, I'm changing...
Panpsychists are schizosSee this thread q.e.d.
>>18627529Panpsychics are the only quasi-intelligent breed of materialist (the only problem is they fail to solve the interaction problem).
>>18627488>Yeah ironically believing in mysticism is very feminine.That's a good thing. Autistics/male-brained freaks are incomplete human beings.
>>18627529>>18627626/his/ is a wierd board of theater kids playing pretend "academic intellectuals" but its just a circle jerk of LARPs.>>18627626>the only problem is they fail to solve the interaction problemYoure literally just making shit up to (((merely pretend))) youre above "all the riff raff". You cant even define Panpsychism, let alone know where it operates in Physics/Biology.Why are you children pretending to be things on the internet instead of being those things in real life?...
>>18627639Idealism is superior.
>>18627414Materialism is unverifiable pseudoscience and retardation.It's the same as primitive greek atomism, just with "fields" tacked on top.By extension materialist retards should also believe Democritus was more correct than Aristotle.
>>18627311Hi buddy. Is this your new special friend?
>>18627639>Why are you children pretending to be things on the internet instead of being those things in real life?...Oh fuck, here it comes again. The power of his panpsychism is too great...wow, thanks, Cult of Passion, I feel much better now!
>>18625250>The idea that the self is somehow more fundamental than anything elseNever speak of Stirner again.
>>18627643Platonic realm is idealism so ideal it physically cannot exist in reality with other pressures hindering it. Thats why its expressed in Pure Mathematics, where those pressures dont exist.>Idealism is a view in Philosophy that reality is based on the mind, spirit, or consciousness.Where is Phsyics? Just subjective desires from an imbalanced entity?[trashed]Seperating perception of reality from reality itself is delusional.
>>18627660>Where is Phsyics?Series of observable patterns and regularities (like the rest of reality) formed by conscious experience.
>>18627665>Series of observable patterns>formed by conscious experienceCircular. Are you Physics or has Physics been Anthropomorphized into (You)?>>18627476>if an electron is conscious or not?>>18627171>"Consciousness means it like Nacho cheese cruncheeto suprems and baja blasts, jUsT lIkE mE!"That is a "Breakfast problem." Theyre failing it and proving they, by their own definitions, are not conscious beings...theyre reactionary bags of molecules moving in predictable patterns with no internal motive force. A by-product of the weather.No more or less conscious than a single electron...just a series of them.
>moves a magnet near an electron and it moves away>puts a hot poker on his side and he moves awaySee...its just "patterns of Phsyics". Even atoms decay...they die.
>According to current physics, a free proton is stable and has never been observed to decay. Under the Standard Model, it cannot decay because it is the lightest baryon.>>>/sci/16963607>Atomic Biology. Ive reduced it down to proton, neutron, electron, generally speaking. It can be reduced further to just proton (+) and electron (-) but that only exists pre-Big Bang, and that is the origin of "woman". It can only be expressed Mathematically as its pre-space and time.>The unbroken line of Cognition from (You) to Creation.
How do you empirically investigate if an electron is conscious or not?
>>18627788Prove you are conscious and not merely the statistical product of your enviroment. Better yet...prove to a blade of grass you are, if youre so "ensouled" or whatever.>>18627282>2023-12-22_02.58.57.jpgClouds on Jupiter form Geometric shapes...proves youre not merely an atom filling in a space in a shape beyond your comprehension, just a cell of a larger system forcing your entire existence into place.
>>18627755>Im different.Laboring for molecule sustenance and shelter to maintain ability to go back to laboring.Youre indistinguishable.
>>18627722>Circular. Are you Physics or has Physics been Anthropomorphized into (You)?Physics is also presuppositional in the sense that it requires the assumption that our perceptions are able to be relied upon. All ontology exists as forms of pattern-seeking.To answer your question: I can only assume the former exists through the latter.
But what about the conceivability of zombie-electrons?They look and behave just like regular conscious electrons, except they are not conscious
>>18624897Without Consciousness, there is no universe. So I would say It is really really fundamental.
itt: physicalists destroyedlol
>>18628301That idea leans too close to solipsism to me. I'd like to believe this universe exists independently of myself or others to experience it
There are two worldsOne in which panpsychism is true and electrons are conscious, and another world where electrons are not conscious You find yourself in one of themHow do you go about figuring out which world you are in?
>>18627927Cute...youre too autistic to comprehend to problem and continue to think reality is just "patterns to be noticed". You didnt answer the question, you converted it into Linguistics and Philosophy. This isnt a thought problem.You have zero understanding of Panpsychism and sound like a burned out hippy saying "Its, like, all love-patterns myaan."
>>18628301Nonsensical retardation. Reality doesn't disappear when you go to sleep and then reappear when you wake up, dipshit.
>>18628423>consciousness is realityWhat you should want to say is that parts of consciousness exist in the basis for consciousness. There is carbon in the brain, and there is carbon in rocks. So it should mean some advanced complexity, a part of consciousness, is located in the basis for reality. But it is also not clear where in the matter consciousness lives. It's like the word "soul", or "spirit", it doesn't point to something material in a clear way. So really in using "consciousness" to describe things that we measure it can be determined incoherent for the scientific purpose. The problem is a lack of a explanatory concept which can distinguish the particular features of consciousness relational to it in the basis of reality also, and which are also testable in repetition. No one on /his/ has done research like this, not me, certainly not Cult of Passion.
>>18627927>ontology exists as forms of pattern-seekingPattern breaking*.
