Why do communists constantly defend Eastern Bloc countries when they're the first to say these countries were never even close to actual communism?
>>18625259Do they? Care to cite sources?
>>18625262Do they what?
>>18625259Because those Western morons who truly believe in "real communism" imagine it as some completely unrealistic utopia.You know why Star Trek is Sci-Fi?Because communism worked there.
>>18625262They can't. Yesterday I witnessed a thread where three retards went back and forth in a circle jerk about what "leftists actually believe". All I could think of was the next time they got into a debate with someone and starting quoting shit that some leftists totally said to them and not 2 other faggots in an echo chamber. No wonder they believe the most outlandish bullshit about their opposition. All their information come from other retards parroting "what some leftist totally told me he believes".
>>18625262>>18625430What fucking pilpul is this? Have you never heard of the term AES? Leftists defend Eastern bloc countries all the time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8kt2Woeuo8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjQrceheXQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbYtiCwS4x4
>>18625430>nooo we don't glaze failed commie states!!!Why do you niggas gaslight so much, there's an entire genre of video of you defending commieblocks.
>>18625595Balkan odyssey is a Balkan man..
>these countries were never even close to actual communismThey weren't, the soviet union's official propaganda was quite clear about this, they were socialist. Anyway, you're doing the meme
>>18625641They weren't socialist either
>hurr durr communism made Russia stronkI'm so fucking tired of this narrative. Like seriously, I want to strangle people who unironically say this.Russia had been a great power since Peter the Great, Russia took most of the German losses in WW1, Russia was equal to Austria-Hungary in terms of contribution to science. Russia would industrialize without commies, it would just use French machines instead of American ones.>but what about… LE SPACE PROGRAMThe Russian Empire already pioneered in astronomics, they got to space in spite of communism not because of it.
>>18625655>b-but two more weeks until the tsar industrialized!The Russian Empire had had a century to industrialize and still hadn't. The USSR industrialized in 10 years.
>>18625259The only bad thing Stalin did was he didn't continue marching past Berlin until reaching the Atlantic.
The star was already industrializing Russia, the communists refused to cooperate because they didn't want reforms, they wanted revolution. Ironically he should have been even more draconian and harsh in stomping them out, trying to compromise is what doomed his dynasty.
>>18625943What would've happened if he did that was, Moscow and St Petersburg would've been nuked off the face of the earth.
>>18625674They were already rapidly industrializing, that’s why Germany wanted to wage war with them as soon as possible because they believed an industrialized Russia would be nearly unstoppable
>>18625976yeah dude, the americans would've just flown a few bombers unopposed across the entirety of europe to drop atom bombs on russia
>>18626048>>yeah dude, the americans would've just flown a few bombers unopposed across the entirety of europePretty much, yes. Russians had absolutely dogshit AD and were relying on the British to keep the Luftwaffe preoccupied. Russians would not have been able to stop a British/American tag team from absolutely leveling their cities.
>>18625972>The star was already industrializing RussiaAnd he was doing a pretty shit job, you are dumber than dirt if you think that Tsarist Russia was anywhere close to Soviet Russia in anything
>>18626084>were relying on the British to keep the Luftwaffe preoccupiedObjectively false, Germany was already losing the war against the USSR before the alliance with the USA
>>18625641Ask a million people what's the difference between communism and socialism and you'll get a million different answers. You need to be very dumb to take any of that seriously.
>>18626096So why did Germany consider them a threat?
>>18626096>Anywhere close to the Soviets in anythingWell they definitely weren’t as worthless, as the USSR in its death left Russia smallest and most weak in any form since Peter the Great. Even the worst of the Tsardom failed to reach that level incompetence. What did the Soviets achieve in the end of their term? An overreliance on heavy industry, everyone left to be in shitboxes? Demographic catastrophe? An empire composed of impoverished Romania/Bulgarian satellites Soviet troops have tardwrangle? The Russian Tsar was an incompetent that deserved the February Revolution. But the October Revolution that aborted any Russian representative government shattered the country for the next century as it brought spiteful mutants like Lenin into power. Only thing left nail its legacy is a Ukrainian Drone to slam into his mausoleum.
>>18625259Eastern bloc countries had true communism and it sucked. China starts doing capitalism with a commie flag covering over it and every commie starts to glaze capitalism as true communism.Funnyest shit ever.
prague spring doesn't count
Why did the Soviets build clones of 1930's German sidecar motorcycles until the collapse of the union? By that time BMW introduced fuel injection into motorcycles and was busy making the famed unkillable flying bricks whole the soviet union was struggling to make the old boxers sort of work.
>>18625259The Eastern Bloc states were a deeply flawed attempt at building socialism, an experiment to learn from, not to blindly copybut there were genuine accomplishments too, and the west crushed them because they couldn't stand the thought of workers having power anywhere
>Gigantic country filled with fucking nothing but teeming hordes of inert peasants and natural resources>Autocratic government starts upping the whipping quota to build railroads and factories. >Production rates rise so rapidly (but you're still a backwards shithole starting from zero so it takes a while) that your neighbors declare war partially to preempt your industrial boom>Lose war, communists take over>Engage in brutish economic plans that lay waste to the peasantry (war communism)>Grind more blood into the gears with ridiculous quotas and five year plans>Industrialization continues as it had under the tsar, but now if your factory doesn't meet quota it's your ass>Total war economy kicks in, bolstered by all the shit you looted from your "liberated" allies in eastern Europe>Industrial output peaks and then plateaus. Country stagnates and collapses>Slave economies all run to the west for protection while you stagnate and get hooked on heroin>Immediately overtaken by China because they're not retarded>"BLYAAAAAAAAT LOOK AT THIS GRAPH OF STEEL PRODUCTION FROM 1957! WE WUZ A SUPERPOWER!"Russhits don't have indoor plumbing.
>>18625263We don’t think anything you said is true
