Why is Swedish history so underwhelming, so lacking in great figures and landmark achievements compared to Portugal?One would think that a nation populated by the nordic master race would do better than a southern brown nation of similar size, yet it blatantly didn't, why is it?
>>18626236>d&c threadBoth have accomplished much more than india despite having less than 1% of the populationHow do you reply without kvetching?
>>18626236Other than subjugating brown around people, what has Portugal done?
>>18626236Sorry no sopa da macaco today, Cleiton da Silva
>>18626236Portugal didn't have running water or electricity until like our parents generation
>>18626236800 years>800 years800 years>800 years800 years >800 years
>>18626236Sweden had half the population in when poortugal was coofing on brown indians
>>18626327Sweden was very poor for most of history, that they've done somewhat better since the 20th century don't mean much in the grand scheme of things>>18626366Al Andalus mog all of Scandinavia too that's nice of you to remind it. Yet another proof of med superiority.>>18626367They don't have half of their achievements though and you could throw Norway and Finland weight in and it would remain the same>>18626293/int/ is the other way around. We're on a history board.
>>18626609What the hell why was Norwegian GDP higher than Sweden and Denmark in 1830? What did they do?
>>18626688its wrong
>>18626366Northwest Iberia was less than 50 years. Asturias was 0.
>>18626609well you don't even know anything about Swedish history, you think they just became relevant in the 20th century. Why don't you go back to /int/ as well?
>>18626849Where did I say that? I know well about Gustavus Adolphus, Charles XII etc it's just that it's not as impressive overall
>>18626236Yet Sweden is where Moortuguese go for work
>>18626688It’s a fake map. Norway was historically the poorest Nordic country
>>18626955The source is literally in the bottom left part of the pic niggerNorway was even poorer overall but not by the 19th century>>18626950There are 5000 portuguese in Sweden that's nothing
How is portuguese history greater than swedish? Sweden was an european great power for a while (a status that Portugal never achieved) and produced a lot of great scientists, authors, inventors. With Gustav Adolf, it played a central role in starting modern warfare. Who did Portugal produce, apart from some navigators? Sorry, dominating some tribes with sticks doesn't bring you a lot of glory. Look at any book about science, literature, technology, there will be Swedish names in there. Portuguese, rather not.
>>18626236Must be bait, Sweden is arguably more successful even at football. Swedes have been punching way above their weight in science an Sweden is like a hundred years ahead Portugal in development. I can't think of any Portuguese achievement apart from creating the abomination of Brazil, and even then Swedes beat them to the Americas.
>>18626236SIUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUalso you posted this a week ago
>>18627220Sweden was only a regional power which dominated the Baltic Sea at most. Meanwhile Portugal was a global power which dominated the Indian OCEAN. They not only spearheaded the Discovery Age which is the most relevant period in history on pair with the Industrial Revolution and Space Age but they also cucked several powerful nations like the Ottomans on the way. In 2000 years space explorers will look up to the Portuguese explorers as an inspiration but no one will remember Swedish scientists. They didn’t invent anything which changed the course of history in the same way the Portuguese did with their maritime tools and navigation science. You would have a point if Sweden produced household names like Galileo or Newton in science or Mozart and Van Gogh in arts but nope. Nobel is only famous because of the awards and he didn’t even discover the only thing he’s famous for, it was some Italian who discovered nitroglycerin.
>>18627506Sweden doesn't have as much scientific or power achievement as France, England or the HRE but he still has a point. Dominating some 65IQ savages with wooden sticks isn't impressive. Cortes was able to topple their most "impressive" empire with a few hundred men.And Spain and England mostly dominated the New World. Portugal is most definitely overrated. Sweden wins
>More d&c slop from the darkest favelas of LatinxamericaIt's so tiresome.
>>18627220>Sweden was an european great power for a while (a status that Portugal never achieved)Are you even trying?>>18627520Portugal managed to rival England and Spain for a while with a much smaller population, not to mention that they were the original colonial power
>>18627269>and even then Swedes beat them to the AmericasSwedes never went to americas, that was the Norwegians and Icelandic, but pretending overall that the Viking landing in America is anything but an extremely anecdotical footnote show a lack of basic historical literacy.But it's not only that, Portuguese are not even know and credited for discovering the America, this is something attributed to Spain, two of the three biggest Portuguese explorers have nothing to do with America and the only one who does, Magellan, is only in a secondary and anecdotical matter>>18627281And I will continue posting it. This kind of thread are great at exposing the Nordicists historical illiteracy and dishonesty, and overall low IQ. Turn out that these people genuinely can't discuss history when it's not about pretending that the Pharaoh and Alexander the Great had blond hairs and blue eyes.
And the huemonke reveals itself.
>>18627674My point is that colonialism isn't actually that impressive. Conquering Africans or Natives is very easy if you hold power in Europe.Sweden has generally had more impact on continental Europe than Portugal has.I'm not saying Portugal is some dogshit country with no history though. I agree for a time they were extremely powerful and dominant but still Sweden wins here
>>18627688>Conquering Africans or Natives is very easyPortugal did a little more than just conquering africans or redskins, that almost a secondary sidequest to their colonial entreprises.>Sweden has generally had more impact on continental Europe than Portugal has.No it hasn't. Even if we look at Portugal records against European states, they won wars against the Spanish, the French, the Dutch, the Ottomans... Sweden only defeated an unimpressive HRE in the 30 years war, invaded Poland where it was at a low point and failed against Russia and that's it. Not only Portugal has a much better outside europe but also within it.
The fact that people focus so much on muh blacks and natives or on muh Brazil show how little they understand and know not only about Portugal but also this period in generalThey probably think Vasco da Gama is famous for discovering BrazilNo wonder the same people think the Viking discovered America before Columbus, utter lack of historical literacy and of the basic understanding of why some events matter more than some others
>>18627831I guess that's true the HRE was deeply decentralized so that win is overrated.Sweden still wins on scientific discovery though
This is unrelated to the question of who had a greater history, but people should remember that the world is not a paradox interactive game and civilization does not progress by putting points into a technology tree.If the Portuguese aristocracy made impressive accomplishments in the 16th century, and has faded since then, while the Swedes did not arrive on the world stage since the 18th century, that does not make them tied. That does not mean they've made progressed the same, but at different times.The extreme example is Iraq. Iraq jumped out to a huge lead in the civilizational race 7000 years ago by piling up a bunch of dusty bricks in an alluvial plain and digging canals to control the floods. It may seem like an obvious point, but that does not in any way imply that Iraq now has a bunch of progress saved up that they can build on to catch up with everyone else. Their flower has wilted and will never grow back, ever.
>>18626236>southern brown nationPortugal isn't brown
>>18627220>Look at any book about science, literature, technology, there will be Swedish names in there.Open any book covering the history of the world and Sweden will be barely mentionned a few times and Portugal will have entire chapters dedicated to it.Btw bringing up litterature lmao, Pessoa and Camoens are bigger than all of Swedish litterature.
>>18626293Rule over germs
>>18627851Nobody I think debated that Sweden has impacted more the history of science than Portugal did but Portugal is historically more relevant, overall
What good has Portugal done to balance out Brazil
In the yet extremely northern european and protestant biased British historical documentary series The Triumph of the West Portugal had one of the 13 episodes almost entirely dedicated to it while the number of times Sweden was mentionned throughout the whole show can almost be counted on one hand.This is only a debate for butthurt and delusional nordicists I'm afraid.
>>18627951Not even going to address your point but Portugal and Britain are famously best friends and loyal allies, you're completely historically illiterate.
There is no historical rivalry between Portugal and Sweden. I know who is behind this post
There are people out there who really think the whole history of Europe was "nords" and "meds" showing each other basedjaks and saying you look like this.They think Britain has more closely favored Portugal than Sweden
>>18627949Give them a white elite
>>18627959I mixed up Sweden and Portugal but you get the point.>>18627960why don't you learn the history of Portugal and who it's been allied with before posting about it.
>Britain and Portugal have been allies for over 650 years. Their formal relationship began with the Treaty of Tagilde in 1373 and was cemented by the Treaty of Windsor in 1386, making it the oldest continuous alliance in the world still in forceThere are people who consider themselves Portuguese supremacists who don't even know shit like this.
Luso-supremacy probably significantly overlaps with Anti-Anglo retardation, you know this guy has made posts about how Winston Churchill was a pawn of the Jews and the most evil man to ever exist, so this is probably a real cognitive dissonance moment for him.
>>18627961>who it's been allied with before posting about it.What does that have to do with Brasil? Anglos took advantage of Portugal. Everyone knows that
>>18627970>Winston Churchill was a pawn of the JewsDon't know about Churchill, but they were literally ruled by Jews at one point
>>18627954Anglos think of the Portuguese the same they think as every other southern europeans : brown wogs.
>Beresford quickly overhauled the Portuguese forces, bringing them in line with British discipline and organization, and from the General Headquarters, he dispatched many "daily orders" altering points of the infantry ordnance, creating a general command of artillery, establishing the separation of the battalions, firing incompetent or corrupt officers and promoting or appointing appropriate replacements.>After peace was declared he went to England on leave and came back again to Lisbon to reassume the command of the Portuguese Army. He did not limit himself, however, to that role, and intended to intervene in the general politics of the country, from this he came into conflict with the Regency. He then determined to go to the Court in Rio de Janeiro. He departed there in August 1815 and returned in September 1816, invested with wider powers than the ones which he had previously enjoyed.
>>18627991According to Ben Franklin all Europeans were brown wogs, even Swedes
>>18627963>Portuguese supremacistsWhat does being a "Portuguese supremacist" have to do with having an alliance with England?
>>18628009it's fucking embarassing, it's like a naziboo who didn't know they were allied with italy, it shows this portuguese kid learned about his own history from /his/ memes
>>18627939Yeah I agree
>>18627979this is exactly what I mean, you learned about history from /his/ memes. Disraeli was a Christian imperialist conservative who fought against the liberals of his day to expand the borders of the British empire to previously unforeseen dimensions.He did the exact same fucking thing that you think it's so amazing that Portugal did, he expanded colonization.
>>18628018Still don't get how the two are related. It makes sense in the Nazi example since they considered themselves racially superior to the Italians. Portuguese don't consider themselves superior to the English. If anything, they only consider themselves culturally superior to the Spanishhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_of_EnglandOne of the best queens of Portugal was English
>>18627979Who is this guy?
Disraeli was also not the "ruler" he was elected and lost office several times, the people dismissed him on a whim, a prime minister is nowhere near as powerful as a ruler.
>>18627841>Viking discovered America before Columbus>utter lack of historical literacy Genuinely interested in what cope led you to that conclusion
>>18628026Cromwell let the Jews back in. They had been expelled by Edward i in 1290. Newfags probably only know about Longshanks from Braveheart. He did more than fight the Scottish
>>18628027>how the two are relatedthe relation is that this Portuguese faggot made this post >>18627951where he calls the British "extremely northern european and protestant biased" which is insane considering Britain is his closest ally.It points to the decay of education in Southern Europe to the point that even history enthusiasts think European history was a tale of NordChad vs. MedChad
>>18628032just kill yourself wikipedia skimming, pop history faggot.
>>18628033He's probably butthurt about the 1890 ultimatum
What the fuck is going to happen to Europe when its current generation thinks of its own history in terms of cringe and jewpilled Nord versus based and whitepilled Med.
>>18628032Notice how every person in history who is anti-monarch is just a jew lover
>>18628038found the kike
>>18628038Seething
>>18628040True it's women and jews vs European men
>>18626900>>> coofing on brown Indians, poortugal could never dominate in europe like that
>>18626236Isn't ronaldino a quadroon too? Lol
>>18628089Ibrahimovic is a Slav
>>18628083Why would Portugal want to dominate Europe?
>>18628097Why are you attaching a picture of Charles V, he was never king of Portugal.His song Philip II was though
>>18626609>'med superiority' of getting buckbroken by nafris
>>18628117Because he was the son of Isabella of Portugal
>>18628121Germanic Visigoths were the ones conquered by nafris, fucking retard
>>18628124true ig
>>18628125Didn't Franco import a bunch of nafris to rape his fellow iberigypsies into compliance
>>18628130>almohads and almoravidsThey really didn't last long. The Iberian kingdoms were firmly established when they showed up
>>18628132I don't know. Can you provide a reputable source?
>>18628138So you can jerk off to it? No thanks, go to /gif/ for that
>>18628147So you just make shit up?Some nafris raped some spanish women during war, so what? Weren't Germans raped en masse by Soviets?
>>18628152Not only that, Americans were encouraging negroes to breed with German women and in most cases German women consented to it.
>>18628170https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_bastard
>>18628152You literally confirmed it lol, why plead ignorance about it>You have evidence?>Ok yeah it happened, but-
>>18628407Rape happens in every war. Are you retarded?
>>18628418Then why did you ask for a reputable source >>18628138I see where the latinxes get the mental impairment from now
>>18628132>Didn't Franco import a bunch of nafris to rapeWhat does them being nafris have to do with it? They were brought in to fight
>>18627687How do we know this isn't just an actual iberianx like that south_euro_ kid on x
Brazilian thread
>>18627902>The Nairs were making their way to launch a surprise attack on the ford from the rear, when some local Cochinese peasants working in the rice fields, plucked up their courage and attacked the detachment with their spades, seeing them off rather quickly. Allegedly, the Indian caste system played a significant role, the Nairs fearing defilement by low caste peasants more than any injury from the agricultural implements they were wielding. Pacheco, disgusted with his own Cochinese Nairs, is said to have tried to persuade the Trimumpara Raja to promote these brave peasants to Nairs and assign them to the palisade. The King gave him a lengthy lecture on the intricacies of the caste system.LMAO
>>18627520First, Portugal was the nation which developed the maritime science to reach those places. The other colonial powers learnt everything from them and foreigner explorers moved there to learn about navigation. Second, it was the English and Spanish which dealt with savages carrying wooden sticks. Portugal had to deal with powers in the Indian Ocean which were on pair with European powers at the time: Mamluk Sultanate, Ottoman Empire, Indian kingdoms like Calicut and Gujarat (which were at their peak btw, not like when the UK conquered them), Malacca Sultanate, Ming Dynasty, etc. Portugal not only had to deal with them but sometimes even with alliances between them and they still succeed. In some cases they were kicked out eventually, for instance by Oman which became a maritime superpower rivalling the UK during the 17th and 18th century. That’s the type of power Portugal had to deal with.
>>18626236Sweden contributed to SCIENCE! more than anything, what did Portugal do? Give us Brazil? Yeah, thanks alot
>>18629208Thanks for IKEA, Sweden. Very cool
>>18629118>Oman which became a maritime superpower rivalling the UK during the 17th and 18th centuryYou are just stupid
>>18626236Sweden was large and sparsely populated with alot of hostile neighbours and no Atlantic coastline.Portugal was relatively small and densely populated with only one neighbour that they were on very good terms with, and with the closest pathway to the Indies in all of Europe.Why one stayed at home while the other could put all their efforts into conquering defenceless thirdies should be extremely obvious.
>>18630187>only one neighbour that they were on very good terms withWhich century?
>>18630294Between 1479 and 1580.
>>18626236TSUUUUUUUUUU
