What do you like about them? What makes them so much cooler than every other communist country?I have encountered an unusually high number of people obsessed with them. Never seen as many people obsessed with any other communist state.For me, it's their zealous, crusader-like application of Marxism fueled by German autism. Not even a decade went by after WWII and they had a functioning state with a formidable army ready to spread the word of Marx (PBUH) by sword. I also love Strichtarn camo and have a few jackets with this pattern.It's a shame that a lot of their citizens abandoned everything for McDonalds, jeans, and BBC.
>>18626590I’m interested in how different the average East German felt to their western counterparts and if an East German identity has persisted at all. This picture has always struck me because the soldiers look at the westerners as if they were aliens.
>>18626590>Never seen as many people obsessed with any other communist state.ahemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-kuOwUAHIQ
>>18626590Multiple people>People who want a safe-edgy Wehrmacht military larp>German Ossis (they don't actually care about communism and tend to be far right, but they grew up with the culture of the GDR and prefer it over the culture imposed by the West)>For some it is the ,,Rhodesia for leftists", a Society that supposedly is evidence that their utopian ideology works (just ignore that these people only aeguments are superficial aesthetics and comparisons to shithole countries)>They never did a hecking bad racism or homophobia like the USSR (though that's only because it was a small homogenous state that was more busy oppressing all of its citizens equally than focusing on statisticaly insignificant minorities)>Because Eastern Germany was annexed and technically did not collapse, there is a lost cause to be drawn from it. Other Socialist Dictatorships collapsed because of mass protests, uprising or economic collapse. The GDR would have met the same fate if they didn't agree to annexation, but Commies can cope about the annnexation being supposedly coerced.I think Rhodesia for leftist is quite the good term. The GDR has nothing to offer, all of its aesthetics are copied from other eastern block countries and the Wehrmaht, the economy was not a proof of success of Communism, but a success of the German working culture, it's only cultural impact was a car that was deliberately shitty and a German cartoon character, the military has never done anything of note and many of its domestic policies were imposed by the USSR.
>>18626590Most countries that choose to go communist are full of lazy bums or fucked for so long that nobody cares anymore.The Germans actually took the socialism seriously and got to work. That's German autism for you.
>>18626597Probably AI but some sources say they ended up shaking hands.
>>18626703You forgot>"Third Positionists" who glaze the DDR because it was ethnically homogenous and "based"
>>18626597>if an East German identity has persisted at allIt definitely persisted in the boomer generation. It's slowly dwindling away. There is still a pretty noticeable cultural and socio-economic divide between the former East and West-German federal states in Germany. The East states also still have a much higher percentage of people who vote for the far left socialist party Die Linke ("The Left"). Though the populist right wing party AFD has started to replace them, thanks to younger voters and an excessive focus on identity politics in Die Linke. East-Berlin culture also still exists in the capital. It's a pretty unique culture that doesn't exist anywhere else in Germany.t. German.
>>18626590>Rad flag>Best national anthem of all time and no one can tell me otherwise>Great patriotic music>Prussian-style military as opposed to its western counterpart's Americanized one>Had the highest living standards in the communist world along with Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia, so leftists also admire it>Also somewhat appealing to White nationalists since there was no mass immigration or identity politics>Lasted a pretty short while and ceased to exist decades ago which makes it easier for people to obsess over it
>>18626590The small Prussian mindset mixed in with German Marxism. It was still pretty globohomo though, but atleast 99% white
>>18626597When a Wessie extends a hand so dripping in the blood of the proletariat you have to hit them with the Preußischer Sozialismus stare.
THE ONLY GOOD COMMUNIST STATE EVER HAS BEEN YUGOSLAVIA.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKNwoNg7d2khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFwxPfj_Ph0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFGdMKZgSgUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtKAG8zsebIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf0jncRL3lk
>>18626703>>People who want a safe-edgy Wehrmacht military larpI encounter these types the most. Half the time they are white nationalists with gender dysphoria. They usually believe the lie that East Germany was the reanimated corpse of Nazi Germany operating on Marxist software.>>18627507What are East German boomers like? What is East German culture like as a whole? I don't imagine that they are anything like boomers from capitalist countries. I assume that they are infinitely less insufferable than American boomers or English boomers.
they made IFAi am forever grateful for that
>>18627468The GDR wasn't even ethnonationalist, they quickly dropped the nationalism after manifestinf their rule in the later 70's (even the Wehrmacht larp was imposed onto them by Soviet Union and lack of proper industry to manufacture new uniforms). Western Germany was more nationalist (their only responsibility was paying reperations to jews forced by the Allied powers and distancing themselves from the top nazis, but Wehrmacht Propaganda was still going strong until reunification), Eastern Germany was much more in its apologising, they just had to worship the Gazillion dead Slavs instead of jews.Really, the only reason why Eastern Germany today has less migrants is because it was such a shithole that no migrant would want to live there snd instead move to the more prosperous West.
>>18627507>Rad flagJust an imposed Communist symbol on the German flag.>Best national anthem of all time and no one can tell me otherwiseMogged by the USSR and the other (excluding the heavily censored current anthem of current Germany)German anthems.>Great patriotic musicMost of it are just translation of Russian Songs and the original songs are often only mentioning socialist Ideals.>Prussian-style military as opposed to its western counterpart's Americanized oneOnly if Prussia is defined by a single uniform. The GDR originally wanted to use Soviet Uniforms, but it was rejected by the USSR on the basis that it would make it too apparant that they are a vassal state. They only used Wehrmacht uniforms because there wasn't anything else at the time. The rest of their military is based on the Red Army and the entire military culture around German communist "heroes'. Meanwhile Western Germany still is inspired much of the Prussian and interwar German culture (and also still uses some redesigned Wehrmacht Uniforms in the Navy and Air force).>Had the highest living standards in the communist world Because it was inhabiated by Germans and even they didn't get to make it work to surpass many other non-German capitalist nations.>Also somewhat appealing to White nationalists since there was no mass immigration or identity politicsWrong, Eastern Germany was worse than contemporary Western Germany, see >>18627749.
>>18627769>the heavily censored current anthem of current GermanyIs this just about them no longer using the uber alles in der welt stanza?did seem a bit arrogant for international sporting events desu
>>18627749>picwhat the fuck is wrong with western eurosat the same time brezhnev was saying pic related to thatcher
Soviets wanted the GDR to use this emblem with the NKFD flag colors>The GDR originally wanted to use Soviet Uniforms, but it was rejected by the USSR on the basis that it would make it too apparant that they are a vassal state.No the Soviets wanted the GDR armed forces to consider themselves the continuation of the NKFD, they basically gave them a foundational myth but the East German communists were almost too retarded to utilize it.
>>18627790Communists never cared, communists don't believe in anything that contradicts Marxist dialectics. They just appeal to the emotions of idealists to get them on their side (and Thatcher was such a retard that she fell for it and wanted to ally with the Soviets to prevent German reunification).The Soviets supported black nationalist groups everywhere, including Terrorist groups that killed white civilians. Mao was more friendly towards the West and generally, if you want to glaze communists, look at Asia. They are not driven by an irrational hatred of white people like white communists and usually just want to stick to their own.>>18627791The Soviets didn't care about the NKFD, they were just partisan cannon fodder and were immediately disbanded in 1945 eith some members even getting prosecuted despite being promised leniency.
>>18627811>The Soviets didn't care about the NKFD they dissolved themThey became the KVP which in turn in 1956 was transformed into NVA
>>18627738>What are East German boomers like?I only had a few relatives who were East boomers. There was generally a lot of nostalgia for the DDR, but they also agreed economically it was worse and they missed out on movies and music from the West. It was just the feel of being part of something greater they were missing. In the DDR it felt like everyone was working towards something together. They didn't particularly like the government though. The reveals of the secret villas of the party leadership didn't help.
>>18627419its funny how no one ever saw this picture til recently
>>18626590What is your skin color.>I have encountered an unusually high number of people obsessed with them.What is their skin color?
>Semenov took the minutes of the meeting, and he recalled Stalin saying: ‘‘There were overall ten million members in the Nazi Party, and they all had families, friends and acquaintances. This is a big number. For how long should we ignore their concerns?’’ The Kremlin leader suggested a title for their new party: National Democratic Party of Germany. He asked Semenov if SMAG could find in some prison a former regional Nazi leader and put him at the helm of this party. When Semenov said that perhaps all of them had been executed, Stalin expressed regrets. He then suggested that the former Nazis should be allowed to have their own newspaper, ‘‘perhaps even with the title Völkische Beobachter,’’ the notorious official daily of the Third Reich.> Only in May 1948, after the appropriate propagandist preparation, did SMAG disband the commissions on de-Nazification. In June, the first congress of the National Democratic Party of Germany (NDPD) opened in Berlin, with Semenov attending it in secret, his face covered with a newspaper. This was, Semenov recalls, ‘‘just the first link in the chain of important actions’’ in creating the new pro-Soviet and anti-Western balance in German politics. The complete rehabilitation of the former Nazis, as well as the officers of the Wehrmacht, coincided with the formation of the GDR in 1949.
>>18626590>and BBCUtterly bizarre how Tankies on 4chan still try this performative racism thing to desperately sell their product lmao. The DDR was officially anti-racist, digga. Implying that interracial sex is a bad thing was simply not part of their thinking, in fact they preached internationalism, anti-nationalism, anti-racism, and pro-African liberation.
>>18627865The NDPD did not merely employ nationalist symbols, they also constantly modified their concept of ‘national’ in order to utilise these sentiments for a larger political purpose. In Brandenburg, at the first NDPD meeting in Potsdam in September 1948, Lothar Bolz called upon the Party to ensure that ‘national’ was at the core of all of NDPD politics in order to overcome other differences such as professional standing or one’s own ‘world view’ (Weltanschauung).51 Such statements explicitly acknowledged the continued prevalence of nationalist sentiments in the Soviet sector three years after the collapse of the Third Reich. Similarly, in a 1948 pamphlet, the NDPD voiced its support for the ‘healthy nationalist forces’ within East Germany and advocated a ‘politics of true nationalism’ which every ‘true German’ should follow.52 This reference to the notion of ‘healthy’ suggests that adherents to Nazism would now be considered to be cured and thus rehabilitated, if only they were to invest their ‘nationalist’ energies into the rebuilding of the new Germany. In a speech in June 1949 the party whip, Vincenz Müller, went so far as to declare that: ‘we are not afraid to use the word ‘national’ with pride, and returnhonour to the word in a new political context. For us ‘national’ means the bringing together of all Germans to represent our rightful ‘Lebensinteressen’’The emblem of the NDPD consisted of three oak leaves, thus directly tapping into the long-running symbolism of an oak leaf being used to represent German militarism and nationalism. The image of oak leaves had previously been used on German iron cross decorations, as well as later also appearing in a different form on the caps of the East German National People’s Army (NVA).
>>18627644>PreußischerPost-Mauerfall projection from assorted "Weaboo for the DDR" types. Prussia was abolished by the Allies and the lands ethnically cleansed of Germans by the Soviet Union and the DDR loyally followed the Soviet official line on the matter. The SED government immediately accepted the Oder-Neisse border, actively demolished remnants of 'Prussianism' like the Royal Palace in Berlin, vandalized statues of the Hohenzollerns wherever they were displayed in public, etc...I don't know why so many people latch onto this "east Germany was dah real Pruzzia!" meme when pretty much 99% of Prussian Junkers hauled their asses west and were the founding expertise of the West German Bundeswehr.
>>18627877>I don't know why so many people latch onto this "east Germany was dah real Pruzzia!" memeThis is from the 70s
>>18627774Nah, it's omitting entire stanzas which reference borders which straight up are entirely outside of Germany now.Doesn't make much sense to be singing about the Memel River when the Memel is in Lithuania/Russia and the German border is literally hundreds of KM away from it.
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>>18627821You can really tell how Soviet the uniforms actually are in this desu.
>>18627884>Look, they were marching and shit! It's Prussia!!Yeah, marching with clenched fists at a Russian pace lol.I guess this all just shows how easy propaganda is when it comes to uniforms and selling an idea. The Bundeswehr is quite literally just the Wehrmacht with a different helmet on (something the DDR itself repeatedly emphasized when slandering the BRD as a continuation of Nazism/Conservative reaction) and that was enough to make people think they're "not the true German army anymore".
>>18627894>German high collar and cuff titlesAh yes peak Soviet militariahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SvGkk7F_O4
The precursor to the NVA the KVP
>>18627935Here they are again with the M54
>>18627811What's also left out is how bad relations between the USSR and China were in the late 1970s. The Soviets probably had more divisions facing China in the east than they had in the west.>>18627826I've read that a lot of Ostalgie is also tied up in East German products they had when they were young, and just generally the nostalgia that people have for times when they were young, which is everywhere. And a lot of stuff that people didn't like was stupid government stuff, a lot of weird, bizarre corrupt stuff. But it also organized people's lives in a certain way that was boring and predictable (which also has a certain appeal).>>18626703Basically what happened is that the Soviet Army rolled in and took over the place after WWII and set up a puppet regime that replaced the Nazi flags with red ones. It got pretty run down by the 1980s. People who visited it said it was like going back in time 30 years. I was talking to a Dutch guy a few months ago who visited East Berlin in the 80s and said his group was followed around by a Stasi guy who looked like a caricature with the glasses. Also high levels of pollution, horrible air quality from burning lots of brown coal. Uranium mining in the countryside that wrecked the place. Some real toxic shit going on, environmental protection was not a priority:https://youtu.be/ULaE5o3n3Bc
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>>18627884the real prussia would never give up german lands to poles
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>>18627994>Besides the Corridor we want East Prussia and hte whole Batlic coast up to Stettin!Poles really won
>>18627975The late 70s and 80s SED started a Prussia rehabilitation campaign, I guess they were going to shift from generic Leninism to National Communism or somethinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRHdhQR7MvUThey started to produce movies, books and series glorifying themhttps://www.imdb.com/title/tt0380684/https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0997327/
>>18627749Nothing wrong with this, a few hundred students getting married every decade isn't going to kill the country after all. Besides, the East German women were moving out of Germany to Africa rather than the other way around.Its not like West Germany which imported tens of thousands of Turks into their country on a permanent basis.
>>18627868I was alluding to porn and other forms of media centered around phallus envy.I'm not a tankie but I don't blame you for assuming I was. I'm not fully read on Marx and Engels but the totalitarian aspects of communism are my least favorite part about it. I should've written scat porn instead, since that's what really got fifth columnists eager to jump the wall after West Germany liberalized its media laws for the sake of building up its American and English financed porn "industry" (which is really just a humiliation and death cult). All of these people are going to Hell, and so too are the taxpayers that financed this.
