>Atheists believe in evolution but reject the idea that there are genetic differences in intelligence between blacks and whitesWhy are atheists so dishonest or stupid?
>>18629005There is conclusive evidence for evolution but no evidence of a genetic intelligence difference between blacks and whites.
>>18629008Yeah bro the massive IQ gap is purely socioeconomic.
>>18629005I’m an atheist and believe both
>>18629017>muh racist vibes give me insight into the complex relations between genes, societies and intelligence, bro!Yeah, this is why I don't take racist clowns seriously.
>>18629024Bro cmon bro Africa will start prospering any day now, they're just like us you heckin evil racist.
>>18629064>more vibes and non-sequitursYawn.
>>18629064Obama is a Black man, he is smarter than 99.99% of all whites who ever lived. Stupid racist worm. This is why whites get no sympathy lol, pray that society doesn't collapse, for the state is the only thing artificially keeping the white race privileged and alive, one that's done you will see a world where you are hunt down and eventually the whites will be extinguished because you are so unprepared thinking you are racially superior, you have no idea what will happen once civil society is over. Look at how Brown ottoman Turks made slaves and concubines of blondes.
>>18629070this, white vermin can't fight, one BLACK BULL is capable of massacring 50 crackers with his bare hands
>>18629005I'm an atheist and I believe in innate racial differences in intelligence, now what?
>>18629070Lol you jews are hilarious
>>18629075this is a great photo
The politicization of religion and its absence along the left-right divide and its consequences have been a disaster for the american race.
>>18629005A better question that atheists can literally never answer convincingly or coherently is: if we really do live in an atheistic universe, why is racism actually wrong? (regardless of whether there even are racial differences or not)No atheist can actually rationally answer this because the really obvious logical conclusion/implication of living in a universe where there is no moral arbiter and morality isn't even real, just a meme or a biological accident/genetic programming glitch is that selfless actions extending beyond your own immediate in-group make no sense and are completely inexplicable, just like any other moral action.
>>18629184If we live in a theistic universe racism isn't wrong because God doesn't judge people until after you're dead so nobody is actually obligated to give a shit about anything anyways
>>18629017We have more evidence that nutrition impacts IQ than we do with genetics. Consider this, if IQ were purely genetic, then black IQ would not have changed since these tests have began but they have, we clearly see an upwards trend of black IQ, racists can't explain this. They can only get hung up on differences between groups, this is why nobody takes you seriously in the real world
>>18629190No, the judgement after death is based on your actions when you were alive, so everything you do in life now determines how you will be judged; also the afterlife is the actual real deal version of life so not caring about it or what happens after you (temporarily) die in the theistic universe doesn't make sense.
>>18629005Evolution has been debunked for a while now, they're only "atheists" because they're feminist pride degenerates or turbo autistic internet addicts, both of which hate God because their lifestyle is sinful, they know it deep down but cope hard af
>>18629190NopeChrist preached the gospels for all people and nations to the exclusion of noneNice try though
>>18629184>A better question that atheists can literally never answer convincingly or coherently is: if we really do live in an atheistic universe, why is racism actually wrong?For the same reason anything else in a subjective morality is wrong, people agree that it is.>OK BRO BUT I THINK MURDER/RAPE/THEFT/RACISM/GENOCIDE IS GOOD DOES THAT MEAN IT'S OK??????????????????????That's your opinion and it's an opinion not shared by the overwhelming majority of society that you live in. I'm both atheist and very racist but it is perfectly simple to imagine why people might be opposed to judging people based on innate, immutable characteristics.
>>18629005I'm an atheist and I believe niggers have a lower IQ
>>18629008im surprised you could even complete the captcha you retarded nigger ape
>>18629070Obama is a mullato.
>>18629070You mean the Ottomans that lost to Poles and Hungarians? LMAOOOOO.Now go hang yourelf 65 iq nigger ape you are worthless
>>18629184RACISM ISNT WRONG YOU RETARDED NIGGER
>>18629502> 65 iqAt least use a more recent stat.
>>18629500>>18629502>>18629504whitey chimp out
>>18629505Why would I listen to a nigger who literally has no history (you have no written language)
>>18629508Oh yeah that's another thing. Niggers have a lower impulse control so they'll stab and rape you over 20 dollars.Niggers also never invented the wheel, writing, two-story building or literally anything useful for the world ever.Even the native american savages had a more sophisticated civilizations than you niggers. Now please name 10 african philosophers, writers, navigators, architects, mathematicians and painters. WAIT you can't because you had no written history and you know nothing about your nigger ape ancestors
>>18629075lol is that why your entire continent was colonized in 4 seconds? it's not hard to conquer 65 IQ apes with wooden sticks
>>18629514Name one worthwile thing you've done in your miserable life
>>18629522hahaah the nigger can't name any of his ancestors before the 18th century because there's literally no written language they invented.This nigger thinks he can dodge the question and get away with it
Disregarding the racism in OP's comment entirely, OP is also mistaken that evolution necessarily means progressively stronger/bigger/smarter creatures. It only favors survival, which sometimes but does not always overlap with those traits. A bigger brained koala would actually fare more poorly than its dumber kin, because a bigger brain would demand more nutrients from their nutrient poor diet of eucalyptus leaves.
>>18629514All Africans or subsaharan only?
>>18629528North africans had a lot of contact with the mediterranean and more importantly were conquered by arabs (because they're so retarded).So yeah obviously you're trying to make the point "omg look north africans had a written language"But because you're a nigger you're unfortunately extremely retarded because north africans speak arabic (not their language LOL)And if you're wondering, yes I think it's well established that north africans are smarter than sub-saharan africans. I barely view sub-saharan africans as conscious beings
>>18629184you dont need god to have a moral compass
>>18629524So you really are a worthless piece of trash, then
>>18629194As usual, a leftist builds up and burns a straw man instead of being honest, which is why your policies reliably fail in real life.Intelligence is obviously both genetic and developmental, and nutrition is a mighty factor of the latter. Which impacts it more? Well, a guy who receives no nutrition whatsoever dies and has an IQ of zero, so there you have it. This doesn't mean that given arbitrarily good nutrition, the average black can reach the IQ of the average white, especially not if said average white receives the same arbitrarily good (or even, indeed, just normal first world standard) nutrition. Once you get normal healthy nutrition with enough vitamins, minerals and Omega3 you basically can't improve it any further unless you take weird supplements with unclear side effects. Believe it, the biohackers are trying.
>>18629538oh the nigger is mad that I'm right and he can never read about his ancestors because had never had a written language.you are a filthy fucking nigger and your people are dying of malaria and famine in africa. little african losers are starving to death because you're too retarded to feed them
>>18629524Anyone would be a fool to seriously engage with you. Regardless, I do feel like mentioning that the Yoruba and especially the Edo actually did record their history quite readily, using pictographs that can easily be "read" with a bit of cultural context. The Yoruba used short-persisting mediums like wood, whereas the Edo both institutionalized the practice and moved on to more permanent materials like ivory and brass. Likewise, we actually know a decent bit about Edo history and, to a much lesser extent, Yoruba history.
>>18629502>You mean the Ottomans that lost to Poles and Hungarians?The Hungarians lost against the ottomans and the poles mostly fought draws. It took some proper germanic autism to actually push the ottomans out of the balkans.
>>18629005The average atheist who is right wing doesn't call himself atheist in public because that would trigger his "christian" right wing political allies. Who ironically isn't actually christian at all (neither jew nor greek and all that).>>18629022>>18629495
>>18629544"Anyone would be a fool to seriously engage with you">engages with me
>>18629546Yeah but it's still embarrassing that the most powerful Muslim empire couldn't beat the poles.
>>18629514What about the Nubian and Amharic scripts?
>>18629524>>18629543You speak so much yet say so little, seems like you are the stupid nigger. Enjoy as the white race gets more and more mixed ;)
>>18629560Poland-Lithuania was a major (if semi-functional) power.
>>18629474>For the same reason anything else in a subjective morality is wrong, people agree that it is.No, I'm not asking why is racism wrong in atheistic universe on an abstract objective or functional level, I am asking why should an individual not be racist just because they want to be regardless of its validity, consensus opinion or anything if morality is just some made-up meme thing and not arbitrated by an ultimate all-knowing being/source? This is what atheists can't explain; not the descriptive/objective part but the personal. I'm asking in atheistic universe WHY does it matter if someone agrees with what 'people have agreed' is moral or not?>>18629536How can you look around yourself and see the current state of things, even just the behavior of people ITT, and honestly think this? It's pretty obvious people actually really do need God to be morally good. The only reason it doesn't seem like that to you is just because you have become acclimatized to a baseline level of terribleness and every time a religious person says 'without God, society would become anarchy and people would have no reason not to be evil' you imagine a scenario even worse than the current one you're in and think they are talking about some even more disastrous alternate scenario when in reality the world you're living in right now IS the scenario where society falls into chaos and evil without God, in real time.
>>18629575slavs are subhuman so idc
>>18629064>>18629502>>18629504>>18629543/pol/tranny meltdown
>>18629561Wow you found 2 tablets in an entire continent with close ties to Egypt and Arabia? Great job!
>>18629580I dont believe in god and i think im a good person. I don't commit crime, i dont really have any vices, i do things that dont benefit me because its the right thing to do, etc. I dont need the threat of eternal damnation to know right from wrong, my parents taught me values
>>18629573I know it's hard for you to follow because you're a nigger and you have an IQ of at best 70 but the conversation isn't about mass immigration.We are talking about IQ. Subsaharan africans are by far the most retarded group of people on Earth and that will never EVER change. You will NEVER know anything about your ancestors because they were too retarded to write anything down. That's the simple truth of it
>>18629580>I'm asking in atheistic universe WHY does it matter if someone agrees with what 'people have agreed' is moral or not?Because there are consequences to not agreeing. If you do something illegal then the government is within their right (or possibly even have an obligation to) to punish you. If you do something that is legal but controversial then there will be social consequences for your actions. Assuming you don't live in a country that has laws against hate speech then you're free to advocate for genocide during your next lunch break, as long as you're ready that your coworkers will probably think you're an immoral person for doing so.
>>18629581I don't think so. They have so far been underachievers, but I think that's mostly due to historical factors. The success of their immigrants in the west and their post-communist development proves that at least poles and czechs are probably on a germanic/celtic level. Russians might be too, but their genetic qualities are possibly jagged (i.e. they're formally intelligent, but morally defective, or something similar of the sort). It's hard to tell about russians, especially since they have gone through several rounds of brain drain and similar selection effects.
>>18629543>>18629064the reason why Africa is in the situation it is in now is because the governments to those countries are extremely corrupt and hoard the wealth and resourceshttps://youtu.be/uOcUzUk3Lxg?t=1081
>>18629589Europeans were retarded cave dwellers when Egypt had a full-on civilization.
>>18629611Yeah because the Roman senate wasn't corrupt right? You're just coping because your IQ is low.
>>18629626He's right though, Africa's problem is all their governments are ran by Chuds who have an unhealthy fear of public spending and debt
>>18629607I was mostly joking but what do you mean when you say "success of their immigrants in the west"? I mean a lot of Poles go to western Europe to work in construction but I don't know if I would call that success. Unless you are referring to something else entirely
>>18629588you can't explain where your conscience comes from or why you have moral feelings and the impulse to do good and where it comes from and there is no atheistic, evolutionary explanation that is convincing or compelling. Whether you believe in Him or not, God is the source of morality and is working through people when they do morally good things and compels them to. By not believing in God people, and society, are more inclined to be selfish and choose evil but God can still act through certain people in such a scenario anyway and everyone is given some measure of grace and ability to do good, even if they never act on it.>I dont need the threat of eternal damnation to know right from wrongit's not the threat of eternal damnation that necessarily compels all Christians to do good, it is the gift of God's grace and the Holy Spirit that compels them and makes them enjoy doing good and finding it easy to do. For some hard-hearted people the threat of damnation might be necessary but this isn't supposed to be the motivating factor; while "fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" it is the beginning, not the end-point. All of the Saints did all of their works joyfully.>my parents taught me valuessaid values ultimately come from God and at some point in your family's past history they were all religious and this is why they even had those values.
>>18629631Because a corrupt government is somehow and excuse for not having invented the wheel or two-story buildings?IQ too low
>>18629005the biggest killers and thieves have been "white".racism never made sense.
>>18629624Because the nile had fertile ground and ancient egypt was in a lot of contact with the middle east?Not to mention you alos had a 300K years head-start. People arrived in Europe much later.Also egypt isn't in sub-sahara africa so why are you even bringing it up? I already mentioned that north africans have a higher IQ than subsaharan africans. I bet you aren't even north african.Anyways how did European cavedwelling take over your continent with no effort and enslave you? Remember you will forever just be the race that was enslaved by the arabs and Europeans. You will never be something outside of that. Black cculture will just forever be "the losers that were enslaved"
>>18629671Yes because only white people enslaved and murdered right? Also doesn't this prove that whites are superior because we were able to take over civilizations so easily?
>>18629633>Poles go to western Europe to work in constructionThose are the undereducated communist ones. I'm referring to the second generations, or the older waves, who went to america or west germany in the late 19th century. You couldn't tell those or their descendants from anglo- or german-americans, or germans in germany, by their success and behaviour. It's exactly the same. (Even down to being open to degeneracy and cuckery, sadly.)
>>18629672People were there in Europe for thousands of years and they didn't do shit. These are really retarded excuses. The Egyptians should have genocided your ancestors for being mentally retarded pieces of shit, so that we wouldn't have to deal with retards like you today.
intelligent black people exist.
>>18629606No, I am asking WHY in a meaning sense, not a functional sense, is it wrong for someone to be racist - or commit any 'morally bad' action - in an atheistic universe where morality isn't real/fundamental but just some made-up social/evolutionary thing. I'm asking why does it matter in a meaning sense. Obviously when I say 'atheists can't explain' I am not referring to atheists who are actually honest atheists that live like atheists but the majority of self-contradictory atheists who paradoxically cling to some form of morality and try to irrationally reason that it makes sense to do so and is meaningful to do so in a world in which, from their own stated pov, meaning and morality are just meme nonsense.
>>18629676Well they're Europeans so I like them
>>18629685>the only thing keeping me from being an unlikeable person is an invisible man in the skyKinda says more about you than atheists no?
>>18629681You had a 300 thousand year headstart LMAO. We catched up so easily. The egyptians wouldnt do shit, Greeks literally starting ruling your shirt and then the Romans.Africans have NEVER EVER achieved anything.You have a low IQ and can't read about your ancestors because they were too stupid.I can think and sit here how we cut off the hands of niggers, chained them, put them in zoos, lashed them, beat them, raped them. What do you have to think about?You have to think about how your ancestor was enslaved by Arabs and Europeans forever. That's all you will ever be
>>18629691>You had a 300 thousand year headstart LMAOWhat kind of retarded statement is this? Those people from 300k years ago were ancestors of euROPEans too.>We catched up so easilyYou can't even speak your language properly, you piece of shit.
>>18629653>no explanationits called culture retard, thats why every society on earth has morals despite not being christian
>>18629702Keep talking to me in a European language while telling me that africans are so much more superior while being enslaved, beaten and raped
>>18629702Egyptian geography was a legitimate advantage. It's not a coincidence civilization sprung up in mostly warmer climates and slowly crept north, the crops were simply more suited. It took a while to breed and adapt them to colder climates.But there's also a legitimate possibility ancient egyptians were more intelligent than ancient northern europeans. The fact that the romans collapsed and the germanics couldn't simply pick it up suggests there was at least a gulf between those. And now... there isn't. Populations aren't static. Which is why modern browns are inferior to whites and modern blacks even more so. And why we don't want you in our countries. Unfuck yourselves with some eugenics and maybe we can live beside each other at some point.
>>18629688>the only thing keeping me from being an unlikeable person is an invisible man in the skythis is true of literally everyone hence why people are increasingly becoming not nice these days. Do you think it's just pure coincidence and randomness that people in the past in fully religious societies were way more restrained, civil and conscientious than people now and cared about now nearly obsolete values like chivalry, decency and decorum? The morality and behavior of the average medieval townsfolk or puritan villager absolutely mogs people nowadays. Even people in literal ancient Bible times were better than people now since they were very big on hospitality and guest rights and such things, concepts that are utterly alien in today's world where inviting a random stranger or homeless wanderer into your house would probably gurantee you'd get murdered or stolen from. Do you think people in religious societies of the past were just as vulgar and narcissistic and callous as people now, like the psychotic racist(s) ITT for example, or what? It's plainly absurd.>society moves away from believing in invisible man in the sky>people become increasingly terriblehow can you not clearly see this is the case? It's so obvious. It isn't random that people are not nice now.>Kinda says more about you than atheists no?When I was an atheist I was really sociopathic and wallowed in vices not caring about almost anyone, yes. The truth is however that most atheists actually really are like this, it's just that they've redefined what is bad and what isn't so that when they say things like "I'm a good person" they are not including being addicted to cannabis, being extremely rude and vulgar, being insensitive to others, being psychotically uncharitable to enemies, not even caring about family members etc as even being bad - when atheists say they are 'good' they literally just mean they don't kill, rape or steal and think nothing else matters, interpersonally or anything.
>>18629724>hence why people are increasingly becoming not nice these days.The world is statistically a safer place today than it was 100 years ago. >If it weren't for God I'd be a murderous psychopathI'm glad religion is dying. The world needs less people like you on it. I'm serious
>>18629717>Egyptian geography was a legitimate advantage.Cope more.> It's not a coincidence civilization sprung up in mostly warmer climates and slowly crept north,Maybe if your ancestors weren't so retarded, they wouldn't have to go to the North and wait for the weather to kill most of them?>Populations aren't static. Sure thing retard, the white genetics from 3000 years ago when they were mentally retarded illiterates is SO different from the white genetics now.
>>18629724You are profoundly stupid. You're implying drugs, murder, and vulgarity didn't exist in the Medieval Era. This is so incredibly dumb I don't even know what to say.
>>18629724>>18629727Two faggots arguing. Religion is false and a weak religion precisely because it makes the slaughter of other civilizations a sin
>>18629715>its called culture retard, thats why every society on earth has morals despite not being christianthis is a very self-defeating statement>despite not being Christianif there's nothing special about Christian morality, why does it produce the best societies and improve any that it spreads to? And how did it suddenly appear out of nowhere in the historical timeline? How and why did first century Jews who were already socially conditioned one way by culture suddenly divert and invent this totally different morality out of nowhere despite it running counter to all of their cultural conditioning? You literally cannot explain this
>>18629731The only thing I have to cope for is your presence in my homeland (and boy do I plan to "cope" for it). Your race is inferior to mine, every statistic on the topic known to man proves it, every third party's opinion (like chinese or japanese) proves it. Every honest observer can tell that we create better nations, richer, safer, cleaner. I have every fact from the year 2026 on my side, all you have is some ancient history that you claim is relevant to the present when it clearly isn't. You are a chicken who calls himself a dinosaur and therefore superior to the wolf you call a rat.
>>18629749Ignoring the fact that by your logic, religion creates societies that end up killing themselves, you have to explain how Christianity is actually responsible for the modern world while simultaneously having the modern world be a clear rejection of Christian principles. You're dumb. You are easily the lowest IQ person on this board and that's saying a lot. Most Christians on this board are smarter than this in fact
>>18629070>Oh? If X are on an average taller than Y, how come this Y individual is taller than most Xs?Not beating the IQ allegations
>>18629752>le history is fake!!Rope yourself, piece of trash.
>>18629763I am the one who admits history. You are the one who denies the present.>There's also a legitimate possibility ancient egyptians were more intelligent than ancient northern europeans. >Populations aren't static.
>>18629770You think a miracle occurred 3000 years ago which suddenly caused rapid genetic mutations and un-retarded the retarded european illiterates. You are such a retarded piece of shit that I have to spell this out for you.
>>18629727>I'm glad religion is dying. The world needs less people like you on itreligion dying will create more people like me, like I was before, not less. You can literally see this happening all around you in real-time right in front of you but you insist on being willfully blind to it and coping saying utterly ridiculous unfeeling data-crunching robot-brained things like>The world is statistically a safer place today than it was 100 years agoto deal with the sunk-cost fallacy of an atheistic worldview and social prescriptions. You can trot out whatever redefined fudged numbers and arbitrary metrics all you want to cope and say the world is better is some weird abstract way but the plain reality that the world is falling into chaos on a macro geopolitical scale, and that the people around you are becoming increasingly hostile towards their fellow man in basically every way, is staring you in the face. Even the fact that we are here wasting time posting instead of being outside in genuine social groups in a genuine community proves what I am saying is correct. You know why you are here, you know why you're not out there; it's because you know what it's like out there, what the people are like. It isn't random. You know for a fact if you were living in a puritan town where everybody had to go to church every other day and say all their Hail Marys, Noon Prayers and grace before every meal that you would 100% not be inside posting all day on some website, hiding from a world filled with crime, people screaming politics at each other, family members at each others' throats about the most inane things, people dying of drug overdoses, skyrocketing divorces and maladjusted chuds and incels and BPD women all over the place. You know I'm right. This is what your atheism has wrought.>>18629735>You're implying drugs, murder, and vulgarity didn't exist in the Medieval Erathe medieval era wasn't actually like Game of Thrones, I'm sorry to tell you but it isn't real
>>18629586I don't care if you write off most of precolonial Africa as uncivilized. I care that you acknowledge the civilizations it DID produce.
>>18629783>the medieval era wasn't actually like Game of Thrones, I'm sorry to tell you but it isn't realNo you're right anon it was just like Sunday School where nobody ever did drugs or murdered anyone. You are very intelligent!
>>18629788Ancient Egypt is the only civilization that africa produced. Why are you using the plural form?
>>18629757>Ignoring the fact that by your logic, religion creates societies that end up killing themselves, you have to explain how Christianity is actually responsible for the modern world while simultaneously having the modern world be a clear rejection of Christian principlesthe modern world is not a natural consequence of a Christian society, it ended up this way because of top-down inorganic secularization. The fact that you can very clear see it rapidly escalate and nosedive off a cliff the moment atheism is promoted on a pop cultural level is very telling.
>>18629724You're a retard
>>18629783How come religiosity is overwhelmingly correlated with lower IQ, underdevelopment, and violence?
>>18629792Carthage you failed yakubian science experiment
>>18629791you don't honestly think peasants were all casually swearing at each other and having loads of casual sex and just randomly killing each other, do you? The idea that the medieval period was some hyperviolent grimdark Berserk-world is literally a myth and historians don't think this anymore, if they ever actually did. Are you one of those people who thinks that if you went back in time to that period you'd see people being casually hanged and burned at the stake every single day or something?
>>18629779No, I think the changing economic, social and cultural conditions of europe slowly made northern europeans more intelligent in the course of, at least, a 1000 years. Just going by the germanics here, who were clearly inferior to the romans in 500AD and approximately equal to southern europeans i.e. superior to most of the rest of the world in 1500AD. That's 40 generations. Ask any dog breeder how many generations he needs to make a blood line more intelligent. And it seems likely that the muslim-ruled egyptians experienced an absolute decline as well, what with all the muslim inbreeding.
>>18629806You're so right man, drugs, violence, and sex weren't a thing at all in medieval times and it's all thanks to the church. I sure wish I were as smart as you anon
>>18629799>How come religiosity is overwhelmingly correlated with lower IQ, underdevelopment, and violence?because they are not Christian countries and you (and the poll makers) are deliberately conflating it all together to obfuscate the obvious relevance of this fact.
>>18629811post historical proof and documents/research proving that drugs, violence and sex were common in medieval times right now
>>18629814
>>18629514I feel like some pasty white nationalist doing a mass shooting is a larger threat to my safety than the average black person
>>18629792Precolonial African civilizations or states/proto states includeKush*Axum*GaramantesNumidia (post Massinissa)Mali*Songhai*Ethiopia*Kingdom of Kongo*Had writing (own script or that of others)
>>18629796you are proving my point with this kind of response
>>18629807>le euROPEans eugenicsed themselves for le 1000 years and became a magic super race!!!You are severely mentally retarded and a waste of oxygen.
>>18629817You're so right man, nobody has sex, did drugs, or murdered anyone in medieval Europe, you're a very intelligent person and we should all take you very seriously!
>>18629822 (me)I chose not to include carthage here due to its self consciously Phoenician origins.
>>18629005There may well be genetic differences in intelligence between different ethnicities. There are observable phenotypic differences in all sorts of biological traits - there's no reason why we should assume intelligence is exempt from that. The problem is that intelligence is so heavily influenced by all sorts of environmental factors that it's a very difficult thing to control for.Just because children of Nigerian/Ghanaian families academically outperform White British children in the UK, for example, that doesn't necessarily mean that West Africans have a greater genetic disposition towards intelligence than White Britons. There are all sorts of environmental and cultural factors at play that could be causing that attainment gap. Or it could be that there is a slight genetic proclivity towards intelligence that's higher within those West African ethnicities. These things aren't easy to measure in a vacuum.
>>18629005>Christians believe god runs everything and all they have to do is pray, but they still go to work, and put gas in their car to get it to run. Why are christians so dishonest or stupid? Inb4: >God helps those that help themselves.Then why the fuck do I need god?
>>18629818I'm talking about societies that are not secular, where they are religious on a fundamental macro-level, where they are actually socially and culturally religious and ran that way, not where they just have Christian-identifying people in them; the US for example definitely is not a Christian country - but even then, your metric was "lower IQ, underdevelopment, and violence" which several of those countries on that list don't even meet. Also I'm sure the average Philippian, Mexican or even Orthodox Russian is probably a lot nicer and more congenial than the average secular westerner.
>This thread>Christianity stopped people doing drugs or murdering eachother>People in medieval Europe were all peaceful celibates who didn't drink or get highThis is beyond stupid to say even for a Christard. Part of Christianity is kind of acknowledging that humans are inherently sinful in nature. I swear to God the kind of lengths underage retards will go before admitting they were wrong on the internet
>>18629827>You're so right man, nobody has sex, did drugs, or murdered anyone in medieval Europenotice how you keep increasing the strawman and not providing proof that the medieval period was just as or more violent and uncivil than society now every time you respond
>>18629845You lost dude, it's time to stop posting
>>18629843>Christianity stopped people doing drugs or murdering eachother>People in medieval Europe were all peaceful celibates who didn't drink or get highnobody in the thread said this, you are shadow boxing strawmen to cope with the obviousness that society nowadays has clearly gotten worse after becoming secular
>>18629826You are all insults and no arguments. Because you are wrong. You claim ancient egypt superior to ancient europe (possible, even likely) but ignore the fact that by the very same metrics you apply in that, modern europe is clearly superior to modern egypt, and with much greater certainty, for our knowledge is current. You cannot go back to ancient egypt and ancient germany and test the people for how smart they are. But you can test modern europeans and modern egyptians, and the result is clear. And you refuse the possibility that populations change (which is obviously the case, as my picture of the chicken and the dinosaur illustrates, you might just argue on the speed of the change). Any honest scientist would conclude that either, yes populations do change, or the ancient picture was wrong, and the modern picture was right.
>>18629822> including the Kingdom of Kongo but not Ile-Ife, Benin, Ashanti, etcLiterally why? Not to be an asshole, but the Congolese were spartan as fuck.
>>18629839>and all they have to do is prayChristians don't believe this, nobody has said this. The Bible even clearly says that people will have to work and live out their lives manually.
>>18629849That's right anon, lack of religion is clearly what's wrong with society today. We should all be more like the Congo
>>18629684That doesn't mean they're average IQ is as high as a white person retard. We aren't talking about individuals here
>>18629850>But you can test modern europeans and modern egyptians, and the result is clear.Yes, the result is clear - europe has produced severely retarded people like you who think the genetics magically changed radically in 1000 years.
>>18629862But black IQ has also gotten higher over time and is now equal to white IQ of the past, because IQ is not in fact a videogame RPG stat and is in fact subject to environmental factors, and judging people as individuals proves far more useful overall than resorting to broad generalization regardless
>>18629852Because I didn't know enough about them but still wanted to refute any claim I see that africa "had no civilizations" with the examples I do know about them.
>>18629521where are your colonies now, white cuck?
>>18629869no no no no stop destorying my ideology!
Evolution just means there is no god and you can stick things up your ass for sexual pleasure. It has no bearing on observable differences between populations that the state is importing en masse.
>>18629869It's genetic and environmental. And even when blacks live in the west they still perform extremely poorly on IQ test.Also if you want to judge people individually that's your choice but your girlfriend will end up getting gangraped by 80IQ moroccans
>>18629846where is the proof that people were commonly violent, having regular casual sex and doing drugs in the medieval period?
>>18629885Imagine trying to sound tough while you still have slavery, african children are dying of malaria and starving to death.You were raped, beaten, hands cut off, murdered by arabs and african.You had no written language, no wheel, no second-story buildings, etc.Keep talking to me in a European language while telling me how good africans were while getting raped and lashed by Europeans.Kill yourself nigger you are worthless and you're missing half your prefrontal cortex. Nice skull shape ape
>>18629857Has modern society become worse after becoming more secular? Yes or no? Answer this question
>>18629917> no second-story buildingsWhen will this meme end?
>>18629917not that anon but you can't convincingly make these 'Europe/the west is so much more superior and more civillized and higher iq' kinds of arguments while talking like a savage barbarian yourself. It isn't compelling and undercuts your own points and makes it look like a skit.
>>18629926I can because IQ isn't linked to morality (whatever it even means to be moral, I would think colonizing lesser civilizations to enrich your own is a highly moral things to do)It means that Europeans and Arabs were more technologically advanced than sub saharan and even north africans.Also you don't even have to take my word for it. Objectively we are a superior civilization.We have more inventions in philosophy, art, technology, medicine, warfare, etc.And this isn't just the west. It's Asia, Arabia and even native americans
>>18629933No, I'm saying talking like that makes it look like you have low IQ and low impulse control. You don't come across as any more intelligent or civillized than the person you are arguing against when you talk like that so it makes your arguments look outwardly very ironic.
>>18629939I don't actually need to because we're talking about average IQ, not individual examples.You sound like a woman who says "my last 3 boyfriends have been over 6 feet, therefore the average guy must be over 6 feet!"I can still be a completely retarded European and my point would still stand
>>18629939I'm really sorry for calling you a woman I take it back and I deeply regret it.You aren't even 0.1% as annoying as the average woman
>>18629917Different anon but I already gave you a list of several African civilizations with writing.
>>18629865And niggers like you think that ancient history somehow invalidates the fact that europe is far better off than africa today, even while you're literally dying to move there.Ah well. You're just a retarded nigger in the end. The way you "argue" proves it. I have been throwing pearls before swine this entire thread.
>>18629917That's why I claimed Europe as my rightful continentAs for white vermin, well, they won't be a problem for long :-)
>>18629857*looks at western society over the last few decadesThere is less religion. Why isn't society more rational as those in the atheist movement said would happen?
>>18629589>Subsaharan africans are by far the most retarded group of people on EarthThat's not true, Australian aboriginals are much dumber.
>>18629005>blacks and whitesProve that "black" and "white" are actual categories to be used seriously.
>>18629783None of what you're saying proves that God exists. Not even in the deistic, unknowable divinity, much less the jewish war god Yahwe that you worship. All you're doing is ironically making the same utilitarian argument that an atheist might make about what's best for society, completely divorced from the truth. For the atheist religion is bad due to it reducing human freedom, so it's best it's power is reduced in the ideal utilitarian way. For you we need religion because it makes society better. At no point did the question "Is this real?" even show up. If anything your utilitarian view of religion belief has the logical endpoint of the state tailoring belief to maximise people's participation in society and their happiness and productivity, if old scriptures are bad for society, they get rewritten.
>>18629575This map is deeply distressing to me. Plz stop it.
>>18629840>No true Christian
>>18629685Why does it have to have some mumbo jumbo supernatural cosmic meaning? You wouldn't ask why it matters if an organism eats or not. They need to, otherwise they die. There doesn't have to be an explanation for it beyond "this behavior benefits the organism"
>>18629919>Has modern society become worse after becoming more secular?Nope, nest question>b-bubut muh degeeeeneracy!I'm so glad religion is dying, seriously
