>East and West Francia fight alongside eachother for the first time in centuries>their army gets anihilated by an upstart margrave with an army half the size of theirs
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>>18629155OP means the Battle of Rossbach where the Kingdom of France (West Francia) and Holy Roman Empire (East Francia), in the form of an Imperial Armee consisting of some german states, fought against the Kingdom in Prussia/the Margraviate of Brandenburg, Braunschweig-Wolfenbüttel and Anhalt-Dessau. The painting depicts the famous cavalry charge of the prussian Major-General von Seydlitz (who gave the order for the charge by throwing his pipe) which eliminated the majority of the allied cavalry, tied down the rest and generally brought grave confusion and demoralisation upon the allied army. This was used by the prussian infantry and artillery to get into favorable positions and the battle resumed as a normal linear battle, which the allied troops began at a severe disadvantage and ultimately lost.
>>18629153>>18629548>Lucky circumstances >From 1758 onwards Prussians get KWABOTY awards left and right until they insanely luck out with a ridiculous plot armor when the Russian bitch kicks the bucket>Austrians lose momentum because they're plagued by their shitty chain of command and multinational armyPrussia was just plot armor one after another with insane levels of luck throughout history.
>>18629567>>From 1758 onwards Prussians get KWABOTY awards left and rightThat's not true. Prussia (and her allies) won the Siege of Schweidnitz (1758), the Battle of Mehr (1758), the Battle of Zorndorf (1758), the Siege of Kolberg (1758), the Battle of Minden (1759), the Battle of Hoyerswerda (1759), the Battle of Koßdorf (1760), the Battle of Liegnitz (1760), the Battle of Torgau (1760) , the Battle of Vellinghausen (1761), the Battle of Döbeln (1762), the Battle of Burkersdorf (1762), the Battle of Reichenbach (1762) and the Battle of Freiberg (1762).
>>18629660>All irrelevant and indecisiveJust minor tactical victories that didn't change the strategic landscape as much as Frederick wanted.Prussia was fucked the moment Russia joined in fully and Austrians put a couple of competent commanders in charge.It took the Russian ruler to die and Austrians getting fucked by their own infighting which helped Prussia.Torgau was probably the one almost as major in strategic consequences close to Rossbach and Leuthen.
>>18629821Then why weren't the allies able to defeat Prussia in the span of 3 years until Empress Elisabeth of Russia died in 1762?
>>18629902>FranceMore concerned with Britain and Hanover than anything else.>AustriaPlagued by their own infighting. Maria Theresa was a retard who kept assigning retards as aides to competent generals because she feared military faction to grow within her court.>RussiaWay too far to be supplied and managed properly, so they had to cooperate with the difficult Austrians.And let's not pretend that Berlin wasn't raided and several parts of eastern territories of Prussia wasn't occupied.It was also a cabinet war. Not the total war type thing that escalated fully during Napoleonic Wars decades later.
>>18630022The reason Prussia survived was because it had a great leader, a King who led from the front,his troops were loyal and well disciplined while the troops of his enemies were only good for the parade ground
>>18630381>because it had a great leader, The local administrators who actually managed the country while the big faggot was playing LARP as a soldier? Agreed.>a King who led from the front,Ran off crying like a little bitch in his very first command, then made plenty of retarded decisions like the faggot he was that no amount of propaganda could fix like Kunersdorf? Agreed >his troops were loyal and well disciplined You mean the increasingly Polish, Silesian, and non-Prussian German conscripts that were hurriedly raised and armed because the big faggot kept getting at least ten thousand valuable soldiers killed with every battle while achieving minor victories without any significance? Those troops? I agree.>while the troops of his enemies were only good for the parade groundThe troops that defeated the Prussians at Kolín, Hochkirch, Maxen, Zorndorf, Paltzig, Landeshut, and Kunersdorf? Three of these major victories for the allies? Those parade ground troops? Historylet buffoon.
>>18630608>non-Prussian German conscripts that were hurriedly raisedFrederick was a good general, and could win with conscripts There is a good reason that the soldiers of Prussia kept fighting for seven long years, enduring hardship, disease, and numerous defeats. There is a good reason that there were no mutinies, little desertion.Even after a bloodbath like Kunesdorf, the Prussians would still rally and form a coherent fighting force three days later,went on to win further battles until Prussias exhausted enemies finally sued for peace in 1763.He earned his title of ‘the Great’.
>>18629153French performance in the 7 years war was next level incompetence. Simultaneous collapses overseas and in Europe. Some have tried to change the historiographical depiction of Louis XV, but just from this war you see how shit he was. The Habsburgs almost achieved victory throwing all their diplomatic and military tools at Prussia, but ultimately Frederick’s early version of total war was to much.
>>18629567Admittedly the Count of Holstein deciding to end the war at the gates of Königsberg because he was bored eller något was bullshit.
>>18630633The duke of Holstein.
>>18630627>Frederick was a good general, and could win with conscriptsHe was a good battlefield tactician and decent operational commander. Otherwise a dogshit war strategist and grand strategist. Don't fool yourself.>There is a good reason that the soldiers of Prussia kept fighting for seven long years, enduring hardship, disease, and numerous defeats. So did French soldiers during War of Spanish Succession. Long wars aren't anything new and Seven Years' War was shorter than the WSS.>There is a good reason that there were no mutinies, little desertion.Now, this is just cope. Every single army in the world, to this very day, faces desertions. Just because Prussians tried to save face by not documenting it doesn't mean it didn't happen.>Even after a bloodbath like Kunesdorf, the Prussians would still rally and form a coherent fighting force three days later,Except more than half of the army was destroyed and those that were rallied were nowhere near all the mean who were shattered. Even Frederick the Faggot himself wrote in his gay lettets that his army had ceased to be effective.>went on to win further battles until Prussias exhausted enemies finally sued for peace in 1763.Further battles that were pointless and irrelevant until the new Russian Tsar simply made peace and France also made separate peace with Britain which left Austria alone.>He earned his title of ‘the Great’.Countless other people who were farts in the wind have been nicknamed "the Great" yet they weren't that great. Your beloved faggot is one of them.Just a lucky gambler.
