Why do you just want to sin? You know there's no objective morality without God, so you know that the "silly-sounding" sins are indeed grave infinite crimes. So why do you sin, why do you deny God out of fear? As the intellectual great Fulton Sheen concluded, "atheism is a wish that God didn't exist", so you can sin without any punishment. Why do you deny it? It's never too late, you know. Just stop sinning and give yourself to Christ.
God does not exist and sin is just a conceptI'll do whatever the fuck I want without some magic sky daddy telling me what I can and can't do. I don't need him to tell me what's right/wrongI don't give a shit about the afterlife because there is no afterlife. When I die I'll rot in the ground and that'll be it.
Who gives a fuck about atheists, nigga? Focus on your path.Let them rot.
>>18629438>Why do you just want to sin?I like sinning. It's fun. What's your problem?
>>18629441>>18629447So you agree there is no morality under atheism? And I'm sorry but you sound scared, just accept that sin will have consequences, you know... Sin and God don't disappear just by refusing to acknowledge their existence. You should look up Fulton Sheen's thoughts on atheism.
I don't think I've ever met a Christian who actually engages with historical records, archeological evidence and contradictions within the old and new testament.All they can do is just engage in ad hominem attacks or make up some retarded strawman.And isn't the entire point of Christianity that every man sins? So why are you asking atheists why they enjoy sinning? As far as I know Christians sin just as much as atheists
>>18629461But Christians know they need to make up for it (at least Catholics, the real Church do). They know they need to atone. Atheists don't want to do that, because they're addicted to sin. Just like this anon >>18629447You wouldn't tell an alcoholic to go drink more booze, right?
>>18629454>So you agree there is no moralityI agree that there is no morality period and I love sinning.
>>18629473So what do you think would stop you from sinning, like murdering people?
>>18629475Murdering is too much effort and time-consuming. I would rather maximize the number of sins I can commit.
>>18629465To actually answer your questions. Atheists don't want to "sin" because we don't believe that all sin is morally wrong. But let's follow Christianity's logic which says that sex outside of marriage is a sin but interracial marriage (for example white woman with black man) is not a sin.A white woman marrying a black man is disgusting and should be illegal. That nigger is going to end up killing the girl and leaving her as a single mother.The truth is Christianity is false, but worse yet it is a weak-minded religion for hippy faggots who view every race as "equal".Any God that views a nigger to the same esteem as a Swede is in my opinion a retarded niggergod
>>18629475>So what do you think would stop you from sinning, like murdering people?Try this amazing new invention called critical-thought. The splendid things it will do for you, belief in Jewish scripture can never help you understand the process.
>>18629479So you're saying it would be fair to rape you?>>18629480But how do you define what's morality under atheism?
>>18629465Also to respond to that "Christians need to make up for it" was maybe true 100 years ago but nowadays most Christians don't even take their religion seriously.Gossip is a sin, you think Christians don't gossip? Come on dude let's be for real here. The average Christian these days hasn't even read all 4 gospels lmao
>>18629438Secular ethics doesn’t need metaphysical objectivity, it needs a strong track record, and history (memory) is the dataset.
>>18629484Morality is just a human made concept, it's not some universal truth.That's just the way we evolved. Like I said Christianity is a weak religion because according to your religion is would be a sin to slaughter all the muslims and north africans invading Europe right?
>>18629484I don't care about fairness. Rape me if you can, but be warned that I will also not hesitate to rape you.
Moral consensus isn’t arbitrary, it’s an empirical claim, built the same way any inductive science is. It is tracking which norms consistently reduce suffering and enable cooperation across documented historical cases, and revising when the evidence doesn’t hold up. In practice (applied ethics, law, medicine), case-based reasoning dominates heavily. Common law is explicitly precedent-driven. Medical ethics boards, IRBs, and professional codes almost always work casuistically — they compare a new dilemma to prior rulings rather than deriving from first principles. Precepts get invoked mainly as tie-breakers or post-hoc justification.
>>18629485Only in protestant churches. Catholics need to atone.
>>18629489The European empire is destined to fall. There's no saving it. The age of the gentiles have come to an end.
>>18629489>>18629487>>18629487Well, I can agree that I can't come up with a counter-argument, except that empiricism debunks itself.
Is OP asking about why atheists partake in sin as defined by his sect of Christianity, or is he asking how atheists construct moral systems that do not require the existence of God to attain coherence? Either of these questions are interesting, but they are different.
>>18629507>empiricism debunks itself..yes according to an incoherent standard of necessary and sufficient conditions or like the fuckin Clifford principle
>>18629507I love vagueposts
>>18629438Not sure what the value is of an objective morality that says you can own slaves, be punished for things you didn't do, or that rape can be weaponized. I think that would result in a worse society, insofar as I wouldn't want to live in such a society and probably most people wouldn't either.
>>18629498You filthy kikes have never build any civilizations of your own. You claim to be better than gentiles but then you believe in the old testament and torah with a billion contradictions, its pathetic.But keep bombing those palestinians its the only good thing about you kikes
>>18629438>Why do you just want to sin?I don't commit acts of evil intentionally.>You know there's no objective morality without GodThe creator doesn't impose morality. The creator is impersonal. yahweh, allah, these deities of tribal man are not the creator.>so you know that the "silly-sounding" sins are indeed grave infinite crimes.Nope.>So why do you sin, why do you deny God out of fear?I don't fear the creator. Nor do I fear the sad little gods of books.>As the intellectual great Fulton Sheen concluded, "atheism is a wish that God didn't exist",True, but a creator does exist, I don't disagree. I disagree with yahweh being the creator.>so you can sin without any punishment. No such thing as a hell or divine punishment.>Why do you deny it?Because it is absurd, the ravings of primitive from the tongues of moderns.>It's never too late, you know. Just stop sinning and give yourself to Christ.He has enough blood on his hands, he isn't getting mine.
>>18629496Oh, please. You just say some prayers, confess to a priest, maybe recite some Hail Maries, and then you're right back to acting like everybody else. Besides, atheists have monogamous relationships, get married, and have kids just like you. The only difference is they have more time to themselves on Sundays.
>>18629438>Why do you just want to sin?Bible explains this. Do study up.>>18629492>Atheist is zesty. Many such cases
>>18629441You will grow out of it some day.
>>18629616>>Atheist is zesty.>Many such casesDo you also want to be raped?
>>18629655The lion rapes the dog
>>18629649Grow out of what? Being content and happy? Hope not
>>18629670>nihilistic>happyPick one and only one.
>>18629720I pick both
I don’t ever post or call them Atheist because that is a Greek term and the Bible calls them unbelievers, liars, deceivers, etc.But today I made this with craiyon because they are two sides of the same coin. Like shown in the picture you used in the comic.The atheist is composed of multiple hierarchies. The atheist (the head), and the laity of people who just call themselves non religious affiliation. The atheist might not be caught committing crime, they stick to intellectual pursuits, like the head pope. But everyone else is just running around rebelling against God, and the atheist doesn’t take responsibility for them, because they believe them to be not part of them.I found out it isn’t about God at all. It is all about them. It is so about them that they have hatred towards me and Jesus, and God. I love my wife I received in faith, but when her mom told her to shut it down, I realized her mother was insane. If I revealed anything about myself at all, like that I might have .00001% aspbberger’s, not full blow autism, she then freaked out and said I had something wrong with me and thinks I am a retard. Women think they can lie, and that’s the ultimate picture. She was willing to have sex with me, but when I revealed I am asking for marriage covenant, her mom made her run away. Part of it is to desecrate her promise she made to me to marry me also.You might ask, why would their mom care? She is elderly almost now. Her life is over and so it isn’t like she is still getting anything good at this point. The flesh still lives on in other people’s flesh. The Bible says they glory in your flesh when they start telling you what to do. She’s getting off on watching her daughters fornicate and commit adultery, despite belonging to me. And when I told her i still love her, they wanted to murder me because they don’t know how to react any other way to the truth of God’s Spirit, reminding them I am their true husband.
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>>18629438>You know there's no objective morality without Godthere's nothing i hate more about religious people than this sentence right herei absolutely despise the argument that morality cannot exist without some book claiming itself to be the word of God defining what it is. "morality" is as simple as not causing others tangible harm unless they deserve it. you're a pseudo intellectual faggot if you think otherwise
>>18629963>"I don't need religion to be moral">"you're a pseudo intellectual faggot if you think otherwise"you clearly don't act moral, you verbally attack people to inflict some degree of harm onto them, so clearly you actually do need religion to be moral> "morality" is as simple as not causing others tangible harm unless they deserve itand where did you get this definition from and how do you determine who deserves tangible harm and how do you determine what tangible harm is? Oh right, you just came up with it yourself and just base it on what you feel like to self-justify your own behavior. You do not act moral, you just act self-servingly. Therefore, you clearly do need religion to make you a better person.
>>18629441>I'll do whatever the fuck I want without some magic sky daddy telling me what I can and can't dowhy do atheists still, to this day, insist on saying things like this that make it seem like their atheism is pathological and a result of parental issues and mental immaturity, without any self-awareness? It's so rebellious teenager-coded, do atheists seriously not realize this, after all these decades?
>>18629487>Secular ethics doesn’t need metaphysical objectivity, it needs a strong track record, and history (memory) is the datasetthe Soviet Union, China and the state of current western societies have already debunked secular ethics then. Not a very good track record.
>>18629978i never said i act moral. although, no, i don't see how i'm harming OP by calling him a pseudo intellectual faggot. we're on 4chan. i'm assuming he's thick skinned"tangible harm" = pain or sufferingnext you'll ask me to define "pain" and "suffering" right? lol
>>18629985Why do theists still believe in skydaddy, despite having had several thousand years to grow out of it?
>>18629978If you need religion to define things like morality and the concept of "harm" to you, then maybe you're the bad person
>>18629438>As the intellectual great Fulton Sheen concluded,He's in Hell. Maybe you'll join him one day.
>>18629993China is the one sane secular state in your list of places controlled by an abrahamist cult. Western Christian leaders in the 20th century being weak, feeble, ignorant, cowardly, pathetic cucks who just want to be chattel wives for Jew has debunked Christian ethics.
>>18630005It's comments like these that truly display the lack of thought athiests have put into the topic. You do need religion because humanity needs religion. So much so that in the absence of God you will begin worshipping the most disgusting things from the cult of sex (LGBTQ) to material worship to idol worship. And you'll say>I don't worship anythingBut if we actually examined your life I guarantee that you do. An argument could be made that right now you're worshipping this vague concept of "morality" which is simply defined by you, depending on how you feel at the time. Never mind utilitarianism, deontology, and all sorts of trolly problems, you choose what FEELS good because there's no foundation for your proposed "morality" which is your (momentary) "sky daddy." It's like trying to form a genuine philosophy off of Diogenes' cynicism. Cynicism can be a good solvent for actual philosophy but it's the shakiest foundation possible to actually build one. The capacity for doubt can strengthen faith, you have faith despite doubt, just like philosophy can exist despite cynicism but to try and build a world-view off of doubt itself is to put your house on sand.
>>18629978>you verbally attack people to inflict some degree of harm on othersthe sheer irony of this post despite you and your entire religion result to name calling by stating anybody that doesn't agree with you is destined your magical torture dimension
>>18630046The only way that an athiest can genuinely argue is by drastically misrepresenting concepts that are presentedGod becomes "sky daddy"hell becomes "magical torture dimension"In actual debate, that people of genuine intelligence value, tactics like these are laughed at for the hyperbolic nonsense that they are.It's impossible to debate someone who is incapable of engaging in good FAITH (ironic).
>>18630059>calling the place where its state your soul will suffer eternally in fire where all the people you don't like an eternal torture dimension is just misrepresenting because it just is
>>18630059>God becomes "sky daddy"What do you think "Father who art in heaven" means? Are you ashamed of your skydaddy?
>>18630065Again, bad faith engagement, but I wouldn't be shocked if this is all you're capable of doing after being mind-rotted by the internet. One more (You) as a final chance and I'll take this opportunity to pose a question--do you agree with the conjecture that quantum mechanics gives evidence/argument to support multiverse theory (MWI, Many Worlds Interpretation)?
>>18630086you keep saying bad fairth, yet you never bother explaining how its wrong to call the place where those enter suffer eternally isn't a torture dimension
>>18629441Look in a mirror and keep telling yourself that there is no heaven or hell.Perseus killed Medusa with the mirror. Alexander made death cry on his throne in hades with a mirror. Look at yourself and see yourself for what you are.
>>18629438So tell me, why does a god write a book of rules and sets up a gymkana for believers
>>18630096I say bad faith because that's what you're doing--you're hyperbolizing the concept to suit your narrative and make it sound ridiculous rather than to engage in an actual discussion about what hell is, which is primarily separation from God. Revelation references a lake of fire which has been conflated to mean hell but there's theological debate on whether or not that's true (again, debate by people willing to engage in the topic). Since you're in this thread I would assume you'd like to engage in the topic, maybe you just don't know how. Admittedly, understanding complex ideas takes more than a surface level interpretation which you seem to be stuck on.
>>18630046>the sheer irony of this post despite [argument from guilt by association]you didn't respond to the post or points made at all. Try again.>>18630005>If you need religion to define things like morality and the concept of "harm" to you, then maybe you're the bad personyeah, and? How does this refute the point at all? It's not even a contradiction of my own worldview or even discrediting about the functional usefulness of religion in terms of regulating morality either. Me being a psychopath that needs religion to behave morally good doesn't somehow make you a good person or prove that ABSENCE of religion has no bearing on someone being a good or bad person. You are a priori assuming that you yourself are a good person by default and responding as if it's self-evident. I have no reason to believe this, and in my own religious worldview, literally everyone is a bad person by default so you saying this to me has no affect whatsoever, like water washing over a marble boulder.>>18630000>i don't see how i'm harming OP by calling him a pseudo intellectual faggotin my worldview, any level of harm, even internal malice towards another person, is morally wrong (because of how Jesus defines sin and extrapolates on breaking the ten commandments including even people's thoughts); of course, this means that it is impossible for any mortal human to actually be morally good, but that's a separate matter.>next you'll ask me to define "pain" and "suffering" right? lolwhy are you a valid arbiter of who gets to define pain and suffering and how is this any more valid than any other psychos preferences in your atheistic worldview where morality is subjective and unreal? Again, it is entirely based on your own self-serving feelings and preferences, ultimately, so cannot truly be called 'morality' even in your own worldview, just preference.
>>18629438Every single person on earth sins according to someone else's definition of sinning. Why should I listen to yours?
>>18629461Christians fall into three categories when it comes to historical data that directly disproves their religion. Group one are hicks that believe the Bible is litaral and will say "Satan put them there dinosaur bones to lead us astray". The second group is just your average person that doesn't think about it at all and just goes to church because his parents go to church and their parents before them, ect. Its just a cultural practice at that point. They'll just say "Oh how about that" and continue going to church. The last group is Christian apologetic experts that spend their entire lives desperately trying to find a way to disprove atheism. They will say inane things like "This part of the bible says that the promised land was a land of milk and honey, and since it didn't literally flow on the streets that means it was allegorical, so therefore Genesis is allegorical as well and the days of creation aren't literal days". They then proceed to ignore any parts of the bible that also describe supernatural events as literal because modern science can't disprove the idea that Jesus flew into the sky like it has disproven Genesis.Not because Jesus flew but because we don't have decisive proof one way or another.
God has yet to heal my heart of stone
>>18629655>>18630079>Christian God is only in heavenkek
I heard the age of Aquarius song last night after posting this >>18629953https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9S3slDC8SEAccording to the 60s, the age of Aquarius is supposed to end the age of Pisces as the earth wobbles on its axis for 2000 something years where we will be tilted mainly seeing Aquarius. Pisces is said to have represented religious institutions and organizations. Whereas Aquarius represents peace, higher states of consciousness and was a huge influence on 60s hippy movement.However , although that sounds interesting, it also just made me think of hippy atheists. The answer is always Jesus to every problem. If you just inject religious change to problems, all you will get is atheist outcomes since it is about someone else deciding in their own heart to love and be tender hearted to others. Religion is always like a rigid wall in a building. The Bible says you can sanctify others by being holy, if that person accepts you. But only they can get saved their self. It has to come from in them to do it. Wearing of religious clothing, hanging onto religious items, associating with religous people or buildings or organizations, doesn’t save anyone. It only sanctifies someone. Which is why I have said it before, Lord don’t give me a sanctified trophy on my shelf for a wife , I requested in Jesus Christ’s name for my wife to read the kjv bible herself like I did and marry me like she promised she would twice 33 years apart. A trophy is still better than nothing, but I want to be one mind and accord with my wife. Just like God said He wants to be one mind and accord with us, through Jesus Christ.
>>18629963Proverbs 22:24-25 — "Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go: Lest thou learn his ways, and get a snare to thy soul."Angry man here means anyone using obscene words, corrupt speech, filthy language, and not to the edification of the brethren. It means someone who just Prates. To Prate means someone who says a bunch of things without any wisdom or purpose. (Really similar word to Pray).My point is we are keeping ourselves from those who corrupt their way because we are good and love each other and surround ourselves with like people.The unbeliever is a liar, look at your post and look into the mirror.The Christian has to work hard to keep himself pure hearted. The association with sinners spreads spiritual influences that are invisible to the eye, but evident to the manifestation of beginnings of imitating one another. Ever felt like young copy other people’s mannerisms, thoughts, etc? It can happen even if somebody builds something on the corner of your property, like how Jesus is the head of the corner that was rejected, but yet God forced the Jews to accept.
The age of Aquarius music video shows actual 60s hippies movement , men and women, acting incredibly gay and loving and peaceful the way liberals atheists and liberals secular or new age movement actually looks like. Due to this, it’s a good response to people claiming Jonathan and David were gay on the boards the other day, because that’s not how king David acted with Jonathan. In fact the only thing the Italians do right is demonstrate a simple kiss on the cheek with their cultural tradition, preserving one where men aren’t considered gay for doing. Clearly Paul told christians to greet each other with a holy kiss , meaning sanctifying it from thoughts of sexual lust or harm, as a tradition of protecting faith in God being a safe place where any one can feel welcome in a holy way. (Because what if someone decided to kiss someone else but didn’t think it was gay? Is that person going to hell?) which then teaches them to also remember to be men, enduring hardness as a soldier. But a soldier needs communication with other soldiers. If they are not united in a holy love, protected from sin and gayness, then they might feel shame between each other. Actual friends don’t judge each other, but they have a strong balance of love and soldierism. Soldierism goes outside, love goes inside. Maintaining an army of sheep.So the 60s is actually helpful to the atheist. They dont think love without direction can get lost. But actually it can look pretty gay, and a witch / Satan can easily take control of lost souls opening to love like flowers. The Bible is instruction and wisdom and guidance, helping people not get deceived by believing in God. Witches can make spiritual forces attack. But spirits can’t harm you. They just scare people into submission to make it appear that you were defeated. The teaching of God produces faith, and faith remains anchored in the face of spiritual warfare. Also Jesus and his disciples never looked like the 60s hippy movement (gay).
They don’t want to accept god so they can be fags for each other. Gaytheism is just an excuse to take cock in your ass.
>>18629441man, you'll look real stupid when you get reborn as an earthworm
>>18629438In Christianity you can sin until your cock falls off and so long as you say "sowwy! I wepent!" 6 seconds before you die you go to paradise forever.You can seethe and cope that it's not real repentance, as though you can know what's in another mans heart, but it's the main plank of your religion.
>>18631498>be gaythiest>drastically misrepresent theology>preemptively label valid explanation cope>pretend a core tenant of the religion isn't real >(God knows if you're genuinely repentant)>ignore that>mfw
>>18629438Honestly why would anyone really want christianity to be real? 99.999999% chance to end up in hell because we're human. I would rather be an animal that lives for hundreds of years and suffering every second of it but ceasing to exist after it dies so it's never gonna suffer. Right now the euphrates river is drying up and the moon in unironically turning red from rust, actual biblical prophesies. If all this is true we're all most likely fucked.
>>18629438Atheism would be less offensive if they werent such insane shitlibs.>God isnt realSo that means the races are unequal and morality is subjective, therefore say Aryans would be justified in exterminating other inferior races?>NO NO NO WTF WTF HUMANS WERE ALL CREATED PERFECTLY EQUAL WITH ONLY COLOR DIFFERENCES AND MORALITY IS OBJECTIVE AND ABSOLUTE NEVER EVER BE RACISTYou can either be liberal or an atheist you cant be both.>uhm le edgethis is the evasion, yeah keep calling apes edgy for tearing apart monkeys, keep calling wolves edgy for eating rabbits.Its nature, you call it edge because ultimately you have no rational or empirical justification for liberalism.If a race CAN exterminate everyone else, no moral decrees they shouldnt.
>>18631958>>18629494>>18629489
>>18629438Because rearranging a girl’s insides while I yank her hair feels better than donating to orphans
>>18631973>tell me youre a virgin without telling me youre a virgin
