christcucks unironically believe this
>>18629687Have a blessed day.
>>18629687Prove it didn't happen
>>18629693fuck jesus
>>18629695prove your mom isn't a whore
>>18629696May God have mercy on you.
>>18629700
>atheioids unironically believe this
>>18629698I accept your concession.
>>18629703
>>18629701You're making demons laugh.
>>18629718
>>18629695Uranium-238 is omnipresent in the Earth's crust and has a half-life of roughly 4.5 billion years, by measuring the ratio between Uranium-238 and its decay products within a given sample we can determine roughly when it formed and thus conclude that the Earth must've formed over 4 billion years ago from a proto-planetary disc and not over the course of 6 days by some invisible man in the sky. If you still grant that it was ultimately God who created this Earth, you must ask why said God made it appear as though the Earths creation differs from religious accounts
>>18629703You believe that all humans are inbred if you believe in the creation story. Let me ask you this; how old is Earth according to you?
>>18629722>bazzillions of yearsWhy should I believe in the religion of uniformitarianism?
>>18629734Prove it didn't happen, christcuck
>>18629738So you admit that you believe in the religion of uniformitarianism out of faith. I accept your concession.
>>18629742and I accept your concession.that your mom is a whore
>>18629722Who's to say that 1 day for God isn't equivalent to 500 million years on earth.
>>18629744The atheist religion is exposed with this one simple trick!
>>18629734We know the decay rate of radioisotopes are constant because they release heat as a decay product, and if said decay rates were faster in the past, they would've released enough heat to fundamentally change the crust and chemical makeup of the Earths crust in such a way that there would be clear evidence of it. If you believe the laws of thermodynamics are not constant either, then we have even bigger problems, and the bolder your claims are, the more evidence you'll need to back them up
>>18629734Because there is no evidence to support the contrary? You are the one making the claim so the burden of proof is on you.What evidence do you have that the laws of the universe changed over time?
>>18629748>. If you believe the laws of thermodynamics are not constant eitherNo, I don't believe in the faith-based religion of uniformitarianism. You're the one making the faith-based claims here, so you better back them up.
>>18629746So sometimes the Bible is literally and sometimes its hyperbolic based on how it fits the Christian narrative? Interesting
>>18629753>What evidence do you have that the laws of the universe changed over time?What evidence do you have that they didn't?
>>18629759because your mom is still a whore
>>18629721I wish you would receive understanding.
>>18629759You are the one making the claim that they did, do you understand the concept of the burden of proof?
>>18629726Today is the 28th day of the 5th month of the year 6013 of creation. Which means tomorrow is the Sabbath.
>>18629754Well, the laws of thermodynamics can be broken up into two fundamental constituents1.) conservation of energyand 2.) the second law of thermodynamicsThese must be constant because they are the result of statistical consequences, for the conservation of energy, it must exist as a result of time translation symmetry, and for the second law of thermodynamics, it's simple statistics, based on the total number of possible ways particles can arrange themselves within a given system. In fact, at this point you aren't even arguing the laws of physics, you're arguing the basis of logic itself
>>18629766The atheist "laws" keep changing from century to century. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they stayed the same for BAZINGILLIONS of years.
>>18629767why are there so many schizos on 4chan go take ur meds nigga
>>18629767how have geologists managed to date the earth to being 4.6 billion years old?
>>18629772see >>18629761
>>18629772Before Copernicus everyone believed the sun revolved around Earth. That doesn't mean the Earth and the sun changed position over time you fucking retard, it just means we were wrong in the past.The scientific conclusions keep changed based on new evidence. Unlike Christianity, which has no evidence whatsoever
>>18629769>these must be constant because they are the result of <my faith in the religion of uniformitarianism>Gee, no shit. Look up circular reasoning.
>>18629777Radiometric dating of Uranium-238
I don’t understand why they choose to defend young earth idiocy instead of just saying “maybe 6 days to God is 12 billion years to a mortal”. I remember a few years back young earthers were claiming that a particularly large hill slump crevasse in wyoming was evidence that the grand canyon could’ve formed in 2 days. You can’t reason with that kind of stupidity.
>>18629784>Before Copernicus everyone believed the sun revolved around Earth.And now the scientists admit that the Earth is at the center of the universe, just like the Bible predicted.
>>18629777First, what method have they used that we must accept as valid and truth? Second, when God created Adam he did not made him a new born baby but a fully grown adult. Even though he was just a day old he looked fully matured and fully developed as if he was many years old.Same way when God created the earth he did not created as a new born world, he created it fully formed, even though it was just 8 days old it looked fully matured and fully developed as if was millennia old.
>>18629793>First, what method have they used The radiometric dating of Uranium-238>that we must accept as valid and truth?If you don't think radiation is real then I invite you to eat some uranium and let me know how that goes for you
>>18629805 God created the world with led already in it.
>>18629816Okay but what about Radon? It has a half-life of only a few days and it's also part of Uraniums decay series which means it can only be produced from the decay of Uranium
>>18629805The "meteors" they use for dating were planted by scientists
>>18629790LOL you are funny, I'll give you that
>>18629842? Look it up. Scientists now say the universe is expanding with Earth at the center.
>>18629829Couldn't God have made uranium at different levels of decay in the earth?
>>18629858The God of the Gaps can, but probably not the Christian God
>>18629853>every galaxy is at the center of the universe Based retard
>>18629858No because there would be evidence of this as different rates of decay produce more energy and heat as a byproduct, there is no evidence the decay rate of Uranium was ever high enough to account for Biblical timescales
>>18629861No. The scientists show that the Earth is the center, not some galaxy
>>18629695Land animals predate birds by over 195 million years.
>>18629874How could you possibly know that when you can't even remember what you ate exactly 34 days ago?
>>18629864
>>18629870You haven't mentioned any actual scientists, so I'm assuming you heard "the expansion of the universe is isotropic, all distant galaxies are moving radially from earth" somewhere, and you're so retarded you interpreted that to mean "earth is the center of the universe"
>>18629870The universe is expanding outwards in all directions uniformly, gravitational barycenters notwithstanding, so as a consequence of the inherently limited speed of light, the visible universe is centered on its present observer, which in this case is the Earth, however, the Earth still orbits the sun, the sun still orbits the galactic center, the galactic center in theory orbits the barycenter of the Local Group and so on
>>18629882>>18629884All observations are made from Earth. That makes the Earth the center. You have never been to a galaxy. The claim that they are places with thousands of sun-like stars and earth-like planets is purely faith-based dogma of the religion of uniformitarianism. From all the data we have, the Earth is the center.
>>18629877By consulting the research on the subject which relies on the best known method for investigating reality. Your turn. How do you know a magic daddy Jew hecking wholesome pepperoni Rabbi sacrificed himself to himself to save himself from himself and resurrected 3 days later 2000 years ago when you can't even remember what you ate exactly 34 days ago?
>>18629903>consulting the research on the subjectSo you rely on your faith in the self-proclaimed experts, who rely on their faith in the religion of uniformitarianism. I accept your concession.
>>18629899>earth is the center of the universe because that's where all observations are done from At least you're being honest, although most people would find that idea laughable
>>18629906>the self-proclaimed expertsHuh? Ididn't say anything about christroaches. You sound unwell and need help.
>>18629914"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"
>>18629918Accurate description of christroaches.
>>18629722>>18629748>>18629769>>18629805>>18629829not that anon and I'm not even a committed young (or old) Earth creationist but how do you actually know that what is being read into the data and what it means, is what it actually means? What I mean by this is how do you know fundamental assumptions about the numbers being used/attached to what is happening to the isotopes to determine their 'age' is actually reliable or even real? How do you know the ratio/associated math in regards to the half-life decay and what it even is is actually real and what is really happening and not just arbitrary? What if your fundamental a priori assumptions and baseline understanding of what you are looking at is actually wrong?This is similar to a problem with the evidence for evolution that seems so self-evidently intuitive and straightforward - the genetic similarities between species and gene similarities between more closely 'related' species that resemble each other - but if you really think about it deeply there is the scary possibilty that what is being looked at doesn't mean what it seems to mean at all, that what if the similarities and apparent 'relatedness' is just the fact that the DNA are the building blocks like lego so of course, for example, a chimp's DNA would be really similar to a human's because a chimp is just simply shaped and structured to look similar to a human; what if you are just looking at building blocks but the building blocks don't actually turn into each other or become something else? There is no actual evidence that the DNA is not just the building blocks/code for how you get that shape of creature and not that they actually gradate and cross-over into becoming another creature.
>>18629903>How do you know a magic daddy Jew hecking wholesome pepperoni Rabbi sacrificed himself to himself to save himself from himself This is a misunderstanding of the Trinity. God the Father and Jesus are not the same person, they are separate persons but the same being, in essence.
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>>18630025Alright so you seem to be pretty slow, so let me try and break this down for youUranium-238 is omnipresent in the Earths crustIt decays into lead-206 over the course of 4.5 billion yearsWe can determine its half-life by measuring its radiation-count-rate over time. We don't need fancy lab equipment to see ionization events, it can be done with a cloud chamber you can make with parts from the hardware store, it's typically on the order of counts per second to counts per minute. The weight of a given radioactive sample also changes as it decaysKnowing the half-life of a radioactive sample, tells us how old that sample is, because it began its decay process as soon as it formed. This can all be done with middle school lab supplies. How about instead of baselessly raising questions you take 5 minutes to learn. I have a feeling you don't actually have any interest in doing this though
>>18629687How long is a day for a divine being before the sun existed?
>>18630038why would god even need time to create anything?
>>18630034I don't think you understand what I am asking. I am asking how do you know that it decaying and becoming the other isotope is what is actually happening and/or when it began given that it happens on such a timescale beyond anyone's lifespans and more fundamentally how do you know the half-life calculation and concept isn't just arbitrary and made-up and is a misunderstanding of what is being observed?>because it began its decay process as soon as it formedhow do you know this? why is there any reason to believe that this is the case? How do you even know it's constant?
>>18629910>Argumentum ad populum>Argument from ridiculeyou didn't refute anon's point
>>18629903why do you trust the research and take it at face value?
>>18630082Wow you're really not that smartWe. Can. See. The. Decay. Rate. In. Real. Time.No, we won't be alive to witness half of an entire given sample turn into lead, but we are alive to witness the rate at which it decays, because it's literally happening in fucking real time. It also has multiple intermediate decay elements, such as radium and radon. Radon in particular is a know occupational hazard, as its particularly energetic since it has a half-life on the order of days and exists as a gas at normal pressures. Because of its short half-life, the only way it can be present in nature at all is because of uranium. There is a time and place to wax poetic about epistemology but now is not the time. You are not as smart as you think you are.
according to chatgpt all christcuck arguments itt are fallacies
>>18630082You have to be 18 to post here. In a few years, you'll get to high school, and they'll have chemistry and physics classes where they'll explain radioactive decay.
>>18630106>ShitGPT shitting out the state-approved opinionsNo surprises there
>>18630102ok but how do you know when they started decaying and how do you know it's actually constant over the alleged timescales?>There is a time and place to wax poetic about epistemology but now is not the timethe whole crux of my argument is that what if your epistemological assumptions are wrong>You are not as smart as you think you areI don't think I'm smart, that's why I'm asking you these questions
>>18630142Uranium is unstable, that's why it's radioactive, it's decay stars at the moment its atoms are formed, we know how long they've been decaying because the ratio between it and its decay products knowing its decay rate>duuh buthow do we know uniformitarianism is reeeel!In order for the decay rate to have been variable as to match biblical timescales, it would've needed to release a lot of energy, enough energy to leave physical evidence of some kind, such as melted rock, so you can rule that out. If your argument is that the laws of thermodynamics aren't constant, that fundamentally doesn't make any sense, as the basis of thermodynamics are the statistical configuration of particles in a given system.
>>18630159how do you know when the atoms were formed? And how do you know that the formula used to calculate decay rate isn't just arbitrary and actually applies and isn't just made-up out of nowhere?
>>18630174You know how we know? Because it's useful. It allows us to make more accurate geologic timelines as its collaborated with physical evidence, which helps us understand how the Earth formed, how life evolved on it, and how the Earth is continuing to evolve in the futureIf you really want to be reductionist and say we don't fundamentally know anything that's your prerogative but the people out there doing actual, useful work rely on this data for their day-to-day jobs. A Bible isn't going to help anyone run a nuclear power plant. If all ideologies are limited epistemologically, then the closest "true" philosophy is Pragmatism
>>18630183you didn't answer my questions. How do you know when the atoms are formed and where does the calculation for decay rate come from and how is it not arbitrary?
>>18630034>>18630102nta but if you can't answer questions without snark or belittling you aren't worth listening to. Reasonable people can explain a phenomena without taking credit for it.
>>18629687There’s Old Earth Creationism.No one believes in YEC expect Baptists.
>>18630193>I don't want to learn Middle School chemistryThat's cool anon
>>18630193Reasonable people don't need hs level chemistry/physics spoonfed to them by an anon
>NO NOOO YOU CANT CAST ME INTO THE PIT OF FIRE!!!>OOOOH ITS SO HOT>THIS CANT BE HAPPENING I TRUSTED THE HECKIN EVOLUTIONARINO>WAIT WAIT ILL JUST EVOLVE WINGS AND FLY OUT DONT BURN ME>SAVE ME DR FAUC*ACK
>>18629767>le skipping 400 years
>>18630232good goy
>>18630232>gehenna is literal eternal torture Enjoy annihilation
>>18630102but temperatures can freeze decay if shit was out in space it wouldnt have been decaying cause its like a freezer out there
>>18630240Your brain is worthless.
Gaytheists should prove their thesis by evolving themselves some pussy nigga goddamn
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>>18630053God doesn't need anythingHe does things as He chooses to doMaterialist bugmen can't conceptualize the art of creation not based around the obsession with efficiency that their capitalist handlers indoctrinated them with in grade school
>>18629703the monkeys dont shapeshift, monkeys with certain shapes just die and others survive to make babies
>>18629687I think they were mostly shamed into ditching it.
>>18630192This was already explained anon, I genuinely thought your question was rhetorical because you just wanted to dive straight into epistemology but I guess you well and truly are just stupid.The existence of Uranium-238 and the true age of the Earth doesn't even say anything about the existence of God anyways, it's just plain and simple facts, if these facts contradict your religion, then you might want to adopt a new religion. Maybe Deism or Spinozian Pantheism instead of Cuckstianity
>>18629687You do know what a metaphor is, right?
That's as fast as Yahweh in all his potence could go. I dont see you doing it faster?
>>18630702This. In fact, all of the Bible is metaphorical and not meant to be taken literally.
>>18630702Does that extend to jesus dying on the cross too
>>18629687Meanwhile evolutiocucks believe we all descend from a soup, that appeared on our planet (how?) billions of years ago. It's so amusing watching evolutionists trying to make the creationists sound crazy, while they unironically believe in Pokemon™ IRL.
>>18630702Can you please inform me which parts of the bible are metaphorical and which are literal. Did the Jews wander the desert for 40 years with manna falling from heaven as their source of nourishment? What about Jesus, did he fly into the sky after his resurrection? Are these events tbat literally happened, or not?
>>18630094The Bible says to judge a tree by its fruits, doesn't it?Planes fly, cars drive, boats sail, computers compute, fertilizer fertilizes, and parachutes break falls. Meanwhile, faith healing doesn't heal, and abstinence-only indoctrination doesn't reduce teen pregnancy.
>>18630702metaphor for what?
>>18629687>>18629775Always has been. Though more bleed over from /pol/ helps>>18630125Just another case of NPCs finding new gods to listen to.
>>18630813It’s all literal and it all happened. Repent or burn
>>18630842>Planes fly, cars drive, boats sail, computers compute, fertilizer fertilizes, and parachutes break fallsfair enough although applied theory in the form of technology for things like engineering is not the same thing as abstract theory that happens over massive timescales that can not be directly observed. But that's not here nor there, evolution being true or not has no real bearing on salvation.>faith healing doesn't healmaybe not but miraculous healings associated with the sacraments of apostolic (Catholic/Orthodox) churches, icons and Saintly relics have been reported to actually heal people (the Lord working through them). The Catholic Saint Charbel Makhlouf, for example, has thousands of documented healings associated with him/at his monastery.>abstinence-only indoctrination doesn't reduce teen pregnancythis is simply just because of the nature of the passions/sin and that lust is extremely difficult to overcome, especially in the modern world where it is highly incentivized. If said teenagers were attending a real church with real spiritual guidance on how to overcome such things however, then it would probably be more effective. Christianity isn't just American evangelical Protestantism.
>>18629687>an antichrist trying to interprete a Sacred Scripturewhat a laugh
>>18630887post your interpretation then, christcuck
>>18630845I m Hindu, not Abrahamic
>>18631671So you worship the children of Lucifer?
>>18630771When was the last time you wondered about something in your life, and it turned out the explanation was magical when you checked?
>>18629769>In fact, at this point you aren't even arguing the laws of physics, you're arguing the basis of logic itselfNo, it is not question logic. This is a question for PHYSICS. The fundamental ASSUMPTION that underlies the second law of thermodynamics is a assumption on the physics. In fact, many have tried to explain it and failed. Also there's two more laws that are necessary. The zeroth and third law of thermodynamics.
>>18631684they don't check, they actively think they're better off just not knowing how things work because they think it allows them to maintain a sense of imagination about the world. They think that understanding how the world works trivializes it and reduces human experience down to their physical quanta rather than allowing for the possibility that the supernatural is still possible, which is something I can sympathize with, but being an adult is realizing the two things don't have to be mutually exclusive per se, they just haven't gotten there yet.
>>18631684 #When was the last time doctors cured a disease? When was the last time psychiatrists cured a mental illness?They can't because the cause of it is spiritual.
