Could some illiterate archaeological cultures have been protostates? Not anything fancy but something akin to historically attested tribal confederations or nomadic hordes. Oftentimes there comes an image of local village councils or egalitarian anarchy when reading the descriptions of society, but then they have things like hillforts and a lot of military equipment, and graves rich in burial goods.
maybe. zoroaster and his patron vishtaspa are accepted as real people but analysis of the oldest avestas would place them as andronovo or similar. if correct, it would mean at least a part of andronovo people had something like a king
>>18651024I guess. Though calling a nomadic horde or tribal confederation a proto-state frankly dilutes the term to meaninglessness. Nearly every attested human group reached that level of organization. And being warlike doesn't necessarily exclude relatively egalitarian social arrangements for the in-group or the institution of councils. >>18651509>but analysis of the oldest avestas would place them as andronovo or similar.The Gathas are geographically situated in Afghanistan and dated to around 1000 BCE , though. They weren't Andronovo. They were evidently closely related to the Vedic Aryans.Besides, having a big man type leader doesn't actually make the arrangement a state.
>>18651625So Andronovo + BMAC?
>>18651651I guess if you want to model them that way but I find geneticsbabble tiring.
>>18651671Then why are you here?
>>18651724This is not a geneticsbabble thread, in principle. And my post was not genetics related.
>>18651625What I mean by proto-state is something bigger than a single valley or village.
>>18652642 That most definitely existed.Were the iroquois a proto state, in your opinion?
>>18651625>The Gathas are geographically situated in Afghanistan and dated to around 1000 BCE , though. They weren't Andronovo. They were evidently closely related to the Vedic Aryans.oldest gathas (ie what would've been actually "written" by a zoroaster) describe tribal life like that of andronovo or similar
>>18653319Yeah, as I said. Vedic-like.
