Why is this large section of land pretty much absent from history until like the year 1100?
>>18651350The Sahara desert was a massive barrier to civilization's spread, and Africa's geography doesn't lend itself to large home-grown empires.
>>18651350Niggers are incapable of civilization as we can still see from today
>>18651376Did you notice that the map distinctly leaves out the areas inhabited by Kush, Axum, and the Ethiopian empire?
Basically all of Africa's issues can be traced to it's late neolithic (which at least partially wasn't the fault of it's inhabitants). They were just climbing our of the trees, so to say.
>>18651350Ife, Ghana, Nok etc...
>>18651398>They were just climbing our of the trees, so to say.Wow they managed to do that and skip directly to iron working? just build different
>>18651408I agree, actually.>>18651405> IfeThis only appeared proper in the 11th century.> GhanaThis was the only state I recall being historically relevant significantly prior to the given date.> NokThis was a culture which I don't recall containing anything larger than a village; I'm don't think they even had cheifdoms, though I could be wrong. Their status as the originators for African mettalurgy isn't exactly rock-solid either.
>>18651350>In a very short span of time, they rapidly developed complex bureaucratic structures and advanced agricultural and metallurgical techniques, imitating European technology and architecture despite being illiterateNo wonder they don't want them to industrialize
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>>18651432> advanced agricultural techniquesSuch as?
>>18651435Bowdich's description of Kumasi
I only like the ethiopians because my uncle got a nubian gf and she's really sweet, well mannered and christian.
>>18651350When you look at the globe very broadly, you can see that civilization is something which emerges in very particular climates and regions, and spreads from contact from other civilizations.Sub-Saharan Africa is very disconnected from the rest of the world, and much of it lacks the climactic conditions which produce settled civilization.So due to the isolation, it took this region much longer to develop advance society.It's similar to how Northern and Eastern Europe really take until roughly the same era, 800ad-ish, to become advanced and civilized as well. There are other places where this applies too, Siberia is a big one. Many jungle reasons of Asia. Much of the Americas. Australia.
>>18651443shifting culti-vation; rotational bush fallow; rotational planted fallow; mixed farming permanent cultivation; tree cultivation; and floodland and irrigated farming
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>>18651350>no wheel>no written languageComin, Easterly, and Gong (2010)the most advanced Asians had better technology than the most advanced Europeans in the year 1000 BC and 0 AD and that it may not have been until as late as 1500 AD that the most advanced civilizations in the world came to be European ones.1500 AD is prior to the industrial revolution, most of the transcontinental slave trade, and colonialism, and, consequently, this data contradicts several popular notions about what caused Europeans to become the most technologically advanced peoples on earth.Murray (2004) represents the most rigorous attempt to measure innovation by region throughout history. Murray collected 183 comprehensive encyclopedias, histories, etc., of innovation in various fields and made a list of those individuals who were included in at least 50% of the qualified sources within a given field. Murray found that this measure had an extremely high degree of statistical reliability (.93) by showing that randomly breaking the sources into two groups produced two sets of basically identical results.Adjusting Comin et al.’s technological index for ancestry vastly improves its predictive power. After doing so, there is a substantive relationship between ancient levels of technology and modern levels of both wealth and technology.Spolaore and Wacziarg (2013)Similarly, the genetic distance between a population and the United states, in conjunction with the previously mentioned geographic variables, statistically explains 50% of current national variation in wealth. If you add to this model the percentage of a nation that is European, 55% of national wealth variation can be statistically accounted for. >but the Mali empire!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nzafFycvJc
>>18651461>no wheelHalfway a meme.>no written languageNot necessary for civilization.> unironic James Atlas citationKek, you really are retarded.
>>18651474>assraped and gaped by James AtlasKek. What's got you so mad at him?
>>18651461>no wheel
>>18651461The wheel is a very overrated historical invention.Things like metal working, pottery, math, and so on are far, far more important.Wheels are expensive to make and only really work well under specific geographic and climate conditions.And the lack of a written language for so long is mostly attributable to the region's geographic isolation.Writing was only independently invented 3/4 times. And not one of those was anywhere in Europe.West Africa got writing not long after northern and eastern europe did.
Because sub saharian africa is one of the most fertile lands in the world.They didnt have the need to be in complex societies when they could simply live a comfy life eating mangos.
bantus (farmers) only made it to most of those places after 1000 bce. pygmies and khoisan didn't do much except hunt and gather
>>18651460Royal Palace of the Ujumbe in Comoros
>>18651499Kilwa's palace reconstruction
>>18651479It's not just that he's annoying, but I actually watched his stupid Mansa Musa video while it was still niche and saw it tug him to "fame" in real time.
>>18651508Benin's palace reconstruction
>>18651512Hausa's domes, vaults and arcades
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>>18651527Bamum first attempt at blending European architecture with traditional elements
>>18651566Section of the old palace
>>18651568Another section
>>18651461>no written language
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>>18651511So you're jealous.
>>18651486This is like using a picture of a car in sub-Saharan Africa today in order to claim that they were able to invent the wheel. That treasure box is from the 19th century, btw.
>>18651576>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pictogram>>18651579Kek. This is from 1910.
>>18651350Africa fucking sucks. It has two climates, inhospitable desert or instant malaria death. Take your pick. Without importing post-antiquity technology it is impossible to develop a multi-generational complex civilization from scratch.
>>18651621>Kek. This is from 1910.
>>18651618>This is like using a picture of a car in sub-Saharan Africa today in order to claim that they were able to invent the wheel.??>That treasure box is from the 19th century, btwSo?
>>18651572A flintflock gun made in Dahomey
>>18651572Ruins of the old town section of Walata a city of the Mali empire
>>18651684Ruins of the Gao's palace, Mali
>>18651644>It has two climates, inhospitable desert or instant malaria death.False.>Without importing post-antiquity technology it is impossible to develop a multi-generational complex civilization from scratch.They did, nultple times. Also the importing angle seems pretty weird to state considering other areas independently developed their own civilisational cores or have made use of "imports".
>>18651350I recently learned about the tsetse fly which destroys all possiblity of animal husbandry. Can't have history/civilization without that.
>>18651653Why are you being purposefully disingenuous?I wrote that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bamum_script is from 1910 (which is true), and you replied by pretending that I was talking about your pictograms (which I obviously wasn't).
>>18651659>??>So?Europeans arrived prior.
>>18651711>Europeans arrived prior.And? Akans have being using wheeled like objects for centuries. Hausa were using wheeles to make pottery.
>>18651461My favorite one of these that always gets posted is 'significant discoveries in the scientific inventories' it gets me every time
>>18651714>Hausa were using wheeles to make pottery.>obvious strawmanNobody is talking about pottery wheels. Wheeled-transportation is what's being talked about (you already knew that).
>>18651715>0 real criticismWhat are you on about?
>>186517091 You replied to the pic with Nsibidi's script2 Bamum's script were made in 1896 decades after Husa travellers introduced to Ajami in the country. Right after the first version of the scripts they compiled a book of 548 page about the history of the county, its laws and customs which shows how effective the traditional systems of preserving knowledge were
>>18651725>Wheeled-transportationCompletely impratical in most of Africa, Dahomey and some areas in Western Central Africa used it only for cerimonial purpose
>>18651715From what I've heard the authors mostly consulted western books talking about the west, a few books about China/Japan and ignored anything that didn't fit their thesis.
>>18651487>Wheels are expensive to make and only really work well under specific geographic and climate conditions.I would also argue that economic conditions and demographics are equally important as the wheel is "expensive" only in comparison to alternatives. The presence of cheaper and more reliable manual labor of humans in Africa and Mesoamerica (who made wheels for no practical use) pretty much made wheeled transports too much of an unnecessary expense to bother, while post-plague Europe had a lack of manual laborers that encouraged skilled craftsmen as a necessity which made wheeled transport more common. Post-Roman North Africa abandoned wheeled transports likely for the same reasons, and maybe also for geographic reasons as trade was less focused on urban centers. Also, while West Africa did have skilled craftsmen, they could not manufacture goods at the same quality, price, or scale as Europeans as time went on, further discouraging African craftsmen from making any natively manufactured goods (although they still made some). We can see this exemplified in African-made swords that use European blades. By the time West Africa could reasonably make use of wheels, they could only manufacture wheels using European parts as that made the most economic sense.
>>18651697>destroys all possibility of animal husbandryNot all possibility, but made animal husbandry much more expensive the closer to the Equator you were. They still had some levels of animal husbandry in those areas. Breeding horses reliably without a loss in profit became a nightmare so they often just imported.
>>18651744>You replied to the pic with Nsibidi's scriptOkay? And you've replied to people other than me. What's your point? I've already Explained that I wasn't referring to your pictograms, so why are you even trying?>Bamum's script were made in 1896The post you made showed the 1910 version. The script was revised 6 times. How don't you know this? The first phase was pictographic (like your other pictograms).
>>18651511>>18651590I don't want to watch a youtube retard, but I'm interested in the points made. What's the low-effort summary of his thesis and premises?
>>18651780https://nitter.net/bannedsisyphus/status/1943890988319354949
>>18651392well no shit, he's asking about the other areas
>>18651788Thanks, I like how he rightly questions sources, but I dislike how he wasn't exactly comprehensive in his selection of sources as some commentators have shown. He also didn't really justify his assessment of Mali's development, which very much holds truth in much of Mali (aside from calling it stone age) but it is pretty unbelievable for Mali's urban center. Only thing that can be learned from his argument is that Mansa Musa's Mali wasn't a super rich Wakanda and was just another average African kingdom defined by its excess of Gold. Now I'm wondering why >>18651461 cited Atlas. It doesn't seem to serve any purpose as nobody here was claiming pre-Modern Africa is a super rich Wakanda.
>>18651778>I've already Explained that I wasn't referring to your pictograms, so why are you even trying?Then I misread your post>The post you made showed the 1910 version. Your point?The script was revised 6 times.Again your point?>The first phase was pictographic (like your other pictograms).Some symbols of the Nbisidi scripts have been indetified as logograms but even if they weren't I don't care and the same applies to the Bamum's script.
>>18651768>Also, while West Africa did have skilled craftsmen, they could not manufacture goods at the same quality, price, or scale as Europeans as time went on, further discouraging African craftsmen from making any natively manufactured goodsThere is no evidence for this claim
sahara desert is like a sea, smooth coastline with almost, no natural harbors, no navigable rivers with outlets to the sea while going deep into the interior, the arable land is also not much, and of the arable land there is on the continent, all of it outside the north east which you removed from discussion is in the tsetse fly zone, meaning pack animals are unusable, and also unlike the east coast, its too far out to have any connection with the rest of the world civilizations, and lastly due to all the diseases there, it had a very small population until after the 1900s, like so tiny there wouldnt even be the manpower
>>18651867Which part? Premise 1: Africa did have at least some skilled craftsmen. Premise 2: European manufactured goods were produced at a quality, price, and scale that African craftsmen could not compete against.Therefore the claim. What exactly do you disagree with?
>>18651888Also apologies for double posting, but I gave an example of this: African swords made with European blades.
>>18651768>We can see this exemplified in African-made swords that use European blades.This was only limited a few areas in the region, in the coastal areas they manufactured their own swords.West African trade was predominantly intra-regional, and there is evidence that a large proportion of imported goods was treated as raw material that stimulated local production
>>18651888Premise 2.We have accounts of Africans unravilling threads of silk and wollen that had particular colours that couldn't be made locally
