Why should I believe in Christianity when the historicity of the Old Testament has been disproven? The Old Testament has been BTFO by archeology and is at best equivalent to the Song of the Nibelungs, a bunch of scattered myths and unrelated historical events conflated together into a single narrative by a priesthood trying to reconcile their monotheist present with historical records that clearly depict a polytheist past. It might accurately preserve the names and dates of kings and the political boundaries of the early Iron Age, but that’s about it really. The rest is mostly a mishmash of oral legends and myths derived from other Near Eastern pagan religions.So with that in mind, why shouldn’t I believe the accounts of Jesus’s life aren’t at best heavily exaggerated or outright fiction, especially since Christianity requires the Old Testament to be historical and if it isn’t historical…
>>18651574>BTFO by archeologyCursed is the man who puts his trust in another man.
>>18651584Cursed is the man who worships another man
>>18651574>BTFO by archeologyYou post images of Bes as the supposed god of Israel every day, you certainly don't have the right to talk about archaeology.
>>18651574Exodus vindicated.OP btfo. Israelites had Ancient Egyptian ancestryExodus 12:38>A mixed multitude also went up with them, and very much livestock, both flocks and herds.
>>18651588I don't.
>>18651608Also, in some Iron Age I sites from central highlands that are archaeologically linked to Israelites show that pig bones are <1% of mammalian remains. Pigs are forbidden for ancient to eat for reference see philistine = ~15% of remains other canaanite sites show a bit lower but not close to Israelite levels. you can look at Hesse, Wapnish, Sapir-Hen, etc for papers on this, but you won't. Shut fuck up. These Israelite samples>>18651608 have a small amount of Minoan or Mycenaean ancestry Likely Philistine related. which, incidentally, is another biblical confirmation, given that it is said that the Philistines were from the island of Crete/Caphtor (Amos 9:7)
>>18651619Christianity necessitates the worship of a man, this entire thread is about that
>>18651574you don't have to believe in anythingyou can choose what to believe in
>>18651622In the Bible, "Achish" is the name of two Philistine kings of Gath during the time of David The name kyš also occurs as ruler of Ekron in a 7th century B.C. inscription.Both names could have been derived from *Ik(h)ayus/š, which lead to Akhayus, or "Achaean".
>>18651624You don't worship The God either so worshipping a man doesn't seem to be your main concern.
>>18651622>>18651608OP here That's false. In fact, we have evidence that Shiva founded my city, Varanasi. There is evidence of that.
>>18651637Fuck off, you are just a Christoid psyop trying to derail the thread. >>18651584Christianity is discredited by the fact that it originated from the Jews, a worthless race who never achieved anything worthwhile, and by the fact that Christians treat the OT with reverence instead of throwing it into the trash where it belongs.
>>18651636Nice tu quoque, but that's false. Teaching against the worship of human beings is a main concern of mine since it's a sin that damns you to eternal hellfire
>>18651637>OP hereI don't know if I managed to disbelieve it. It's worth giving them the benefit of the doubt.
Since the OP hasn't commented on the evidence of "archaeology that destroyed Christianity," let me continue. The Bible recounts that the Philistines at one point held a sort of monopoly on iron production technology, a very specific detail- 1 Samuel 13:19-23- "Now there was no blacksmith to be found throughout all the land of Israel, for the Philistines said, Lest the Hebrews make swords or spears. But all the Israelites would go down to the Philistines to sharpen each man’s plowshare, his mattock, his ax, and his sickle" -And it turns out that archaeology attests that (which the OP never bothered to read anything about) the distribution of 12th-century iron objects in the Levant is concentrated in Philistine regions.
>>18651574It's worse than that, all the big OT stories Jews stole from Greeks and Babylonians.Until 3rd century BCE there is no mention of Abraham, Noah, Adam, Moses, 12 tribes in any Jewish text, Jews don't even call themselves by those names. Torah gets written after Jews get in contact with Greeks from Alexander's conquest and stole their stories. Like Binding of Isaac is just a stolen story from Iphigenia. And Torah observance only gets enforced during the maccabean period.
>>18651656So you worship Abraham's friend?
>>18651756Yes of course, "Who is better in religion than he who surrendereth his purpose to Allah while doing good (to men) and followeth the tradition of Abraham, the upright? Allah (Himself) chose Abraham for friend." - Quran 4:125
>>18651574The new testament is older than the old testament, historically speaking.
>>18651776Yet you do not keep the holy law God gave to Moses and you hate the children of Abraham.
>>18651608>>18651622>>18651702The Exodus never happened, full stop. Archeologists have excavated Egypt for a century and a half and have found zero proof for the Exodus happening. It’s peculiar since a lot of other things foreigners in antiquity said about Egypt got proven correct, even the insane stuff about Egypt claimed by Herodotus (a man known for making a lot of other stuff up btw) ended up being proven correct down to the last detail somehow. But not once have they found any real proof for the Exodus.The only response to any of this by apologetics is “Egypt didn’t record their losses,” but we don’t just rely on propaganda steles as Ancient Egypt left behind vast quantities of everyday administrative records, legal papyri, letters, and domestic receipts. Exodus describes the sudden death of all firstborn sons, the total collapse of the agrarian workforce, the loss of an entire chariot army, and the devastation of the economy via the Ten Plagues. If the Exodus did happen, the catastrophic fallout would inevitably ripple into day-to-day administrative paperwork, grain supplies, and military rosters. No such disruptions exist in the records around the time period the Exodus supposedly took place.Plus we don’t just have a lack of evidence for the Exodus, we have contradictory evidence as according to traditional biblical chronology, the Exodus happened during the later half of the New Kingdom period and archaeology shows this exact era was the absolute peak of Egyptian imperial power, economic power, and aggressive military expansion. The country shows no signs of a society recovering from total infrastructural collapse. If the Exodus really happened, it should leave behind a lot of physical evidence beyond records, but no such thing exists. The traditional dating of the Exodus is 1446 BC, but Egypt shows no sign of decline or collapse during this time and they even continued to militarily occupy the Levant for a few more centuries.(Cont)
>>18651811The lack of evidence also extends into the Sinai which the Hebrew Bible claims 2 million Israelites wandered in for 40 years. An apologist might claim nomadic groups do not leave behind archaeological traces, but the Sinai peninsula has been surveyed extensively and they have found pottery shards, fire pits, and remnants from tiny, temporary campsites of nomads thousands of years before exodus would have happened. If archaeologists can find the trash of a few dozen ancient nomads, the total lack of any physical footprint for a population of over two million people is problematic.Archeological surveys across the Levant have also shown an entirely different origin for the Israelites. There was no mass migration of Israelites into Canaan, instead the Israelites were originally a Canaanite tribe who only later became a distinct group. Hebrew itself is a Canaanite language no different from Phoenician or Moabite and the “Paleo-Hebrew” alphabet is just the Phoenician one, an actual independent Hebrew alphabet didn’t emerge until the 2nd century BC. There’s even evidence to suggest that Judaism evolved out of Canaanite paganism and that the polytheism depicted in Judges, 1 and 2 Kings, and Chronicles was in reality the original religion of the Israelites, not some later apostasy. Monotheism didn’t exist at all prior to the Babylonian exile and likely developed in response to trauma caused by the Babylonian exile. Even then, Israelite polytheism still survived in an official capacity well into the Persian period as evidenced by the Elephantine papyri.(Cont)
>>18651814Even within the Hebrew Bible itself, there are discrepancies. How could Pharaoh muster up an entire chariot army when the horses required for it would have died due to the 5th plague? Why would Pharaoh’s daughter bathe in the Nile when the Ancient Egyptians, especially royalty, didn’t actually bathe in the Nile due to the presence of crocodiles? Moreover if the Israelites really had spent centuries in Egypt, then Hebrew should be full of Egyptian loanwords, but it isn’t which disproves the traditional narrative that the Torah could have been written by Moses. In fact, the Torah as a whole is full of anachronisms as it mentions place-names and ethnic groups which did not yet exist in the time of Moses. Also, if the 10 Plagues really happened, then realistically the Ancient Egyptian religion should have died out shortly afterwards due to the Egyptian gods failing to protect Egypt. But there is no sign of decline during this time, the religion continued to function as normal and didn’t decline until the Christianization of Egypt in the 3rd to 4th centuries AD. The only religious crisis during the Late Bronze Age was Akhenaten’s attempt at creating a proto-monotheist religion centered around Aten, but this was an internal top-down affair that had nothing to do with Hebrew slaves or plagues from a foreign god.(Cont)
>>18651815At best you can argue that the Exodus is based on a distorted memory of a real event whose details changed over time. But this is not proof of the Exodus but rather proof against it, especially when you consider what the historical basis might be. Just look up the Hyksos, they were a semitic peoples from the Levant who conquered Egypt in the 17th century BC and ruled over as their 15th dynasty before eventually getting expelled around 1550 BC. Many scholars believe that the Exodus is based on a cultural memory of the Hyksos’ expulsion (in-reverse) and that the Hyksos were one of the groups who contributed to the ethnogenesis of the Israelites. Similarly there’s also the “Shasu of Yahweh,” a nomadic tribe from Midian who apparently worshiped Yahweh. Around the 12th century BC, a Shasu warlord named Irsu invaded Egypt, plundered their temples, and “treated the gods as men” (i.e. forbidding their worship). Eventually the Shasu were expelled to the Levant and it’s thought that not only they also contributed to the ethnogenesis of the Israelites and imported the worship of Yahweh into the Levant, they were also eventually conflated with the Hyksos at some point.
>>18651815There’s a lot of reasons to suggest that the Torah in its final edited form was written during the Persian period and I’m not even just talking about the flood which is very clearly derived from the Mesopotamian flood myth described in the Atrahasis and Gilgamesh epics. The Tower of Babel incident for instance makes perfect sense if you read it strictly as an anti-Babylonian polemic; the name Babel itself is also the Hebrew word for Babylon, the Tower of Babel itself is likely based on Mesopotamian Ziggurats (particularly one famous ziggurat in Babylon called the Etemenanki), and the scattering of languages mirrors the cultural and linguistic diversity of the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Similarly, the creation account in Genesis reads as a reversal of the Babylonian creation myth (Enuma Elish) and even the Book of Job, though not part of the Torah, makes perfect sense if you consider the theory that it was written as a response against Zoroastrian dualism.
>>18651584>you can't trust other men>instead you are supposed to trust this book made by other men but don't worry they state it was totally inspired by god so you better trust them
>>18651808We keep the holy law that is meant for all nations and times and a significant portion of us are Abraham's children even by lineage
>>18651574Christianity is about following Christ's teachings. Everything else can be discarded.
>>18651574>Why should I believe in Christianity when the historicity of the Old Testament has been disproven?The gospel have also been disproven as the historicity of Jesus. No honest historian believes the gospels are literal history.
>>18651636Ok but you do. This isn't a gotcha.
