>>18652606Bolshevist utopia, heaven on earth
>>18652606You would choose to live in a literal refugee camp rather than the USSR.
>>18652606It would look like Russia as it is now but with a Soviet aesthetic and less oligarchs, and maybe with Kazakhstan as part of it.
>>18652606They’d have to do reforms to survive and become China-lite economically
>>18652606How did it survive?
>>18652613I was promised a heavenly classless society where people are raptured into new bodies of pure light but all I got was social democracy and subsidized housing WTF
>>18652709Beria became General Secretary
>>18652606The question depends on how they would it. Many argue it is just market reforms and keeping its authoritarianism. But I doubt that’s enough, even with market reforms Russia would certainly not have an economic boom like China as America would be unwilling to cultivate USSR as an economic partner for geopolitical + logistical reasons. Many internally would still look at the West and say how much more prosperous they are. Instead you’re left with an authoritarian regime that supresses nationalism with increasingly less ability to justify itself as Marxist utopian ideals hollow itself more and more. How long could the Soviet Union keep the lid on alternative ideologies before exploding like Baathist Syria or Yugoslavia. Overall, it was a failure of an experiment for everything except heavy industry, that at the very least ended with little bloodshed at the time. It still left a mess though that plays a big role in the meat grinder of the war today.
A red-painted oligarchy
>>18652606Well there's either 2 case figure : either the USSR manages to correct its plannification issues and as such retain a form of socialism, either the USSR transitions towards market socialism. The first option is imo more feasible than people like to admit. The USSR's main problem weren't economic stagnation, it was the bureaucratic capture of the economy. By the 1990s, it was perfectly feasible to have computation enabling the constant update of prices, with the subsequent resource allocation. All you really need to have to plan an economy is to send a stock to a distribution center like a store, and then update that stock based on consumer behavior. Prices simply come to reflect production costs of these goods.The issue however is that bureaucratic capture would've made those reforms almost impossible. It would've required an authoritarian figure like Stalin to actually fix the corruption. Andropov did point towards that throughout his term but it wasn't sufficient. The second case is more realistic because it's more or less what happened in Belarus. That country didn't suffer from the post-soviet crash and essentially kept most of its economy under state-owned property rights. However, they did adopt some form of market exchange. The result has been an okay-ish economy. It's not bad but it's not amazing either. In both cases, the USSR would have had to transition to an EU like federation of States. The nationalist appeals and the calls to democracy would've been too much for the model of the vanguard party to endure.
>>18652606I think that even without Gorbachev some sort of liberalization was inevitable. But the USSR was too federated and multiethnic to just turn into a second China. It would probably look like a poorer and more dysfunctional version of the EU.
>>18652606Belarus but way bigger.
>>18653661That's a lot of taters.
>>18652606>art replaces manfaced proletarian maidens with pinup bimbothis is cultural genocide
>>18652606Some kind of european union based on socialism rather than capitalism, but still trading with the West. Assuming the Soviet government continued to relax their restrictions while avoiding the collapse of the Union
