How would atheists reply to the theist argument from fine-tuning of consciousness:If consciousness was the result of evolution, it could be made in such a way it'd cause nothing but unending pain to humans. Because it doesn't and we can see it's even benevolent to humans, it's evidence of consciousness's fine-tuning and a God / divine designing force.
>>18655845>god fine tuned humans so they wouldn't be in constant pain>apart from the humans born with fungating brain tumors who spend a few days squealing in agony and then expireDoes God fuck up every so often or was that part of the 2 more weeks trust the plan?
>>18655845>If consciousness was the result of evolution, it could be made in such a way it'd cause nothing but unending pain to humans.I would make the opposite conclusion. A consciousness, which isn't dominated by an unreasonable, uncasuable amount of random pain, is one, which naturally evolved, because that is conducive to it's success. Only a God would have the motive and the power to create such a pityful consciousness, which you described, not a natural process of evolution.
>>18655851That's a fair point, but couldn't it be argued the pain comes from outside consciousness and not from itself?>>18655858That's a good point and one I considered as well. I suppose a consciousness that wouldn't be in pain or feel tormented is one that'd best work in evolutionary survival, since it'd mean that person is less likely to develop self-harming behaviour. Evolutionist could also argue that such a brain would have lost in evolutionary competition, because highly-stressed animals tend to not live as long or produce as many offspring.
>>18655845>evolution did not result in brain structure that is entirely detrimental to the organism, therefore GodThis is a new low for theist argumentation, I almost prefer the retarded strawman threads
>>18655845If you knew how natural selection worked, it would never result in a species plagued by a conscious that actively made life harder not easier. How would that be a survival advantage?
>>18655995Vigilance, perhaps?
>>18656130How can you be vigilant if you're constantly distracted by overwhelming pain?
>>18656138It doesn't need to be extreme pain. Just enough pain to make one get through the day. It makes more sense from the view of survival than reward system, perhaps?
>>18656145>It makes more sense from the view of survival than reward system, perhaps?No, it makes absolutely no sense. Pain is a warning system. Why would it be on at all times? For what purpose?
>>18656151To seek food and look out for predators. Evolution could make consciousness so there is no reward system or "good feel", while still giving a reason to get food and reproduce.
>>18656184>Evolution could make consciousness so there is no reward system or "good feel", while still giving a reason to get food and reproduce.But it didn't. There are systems that promote good feel behaviors and there are systems that discourage bad feel behaviors. "Life could be much worse" is not an argument for God.
>>18656184But you could just as well make the argument that animals could be feeling good all the time and that eating and getting away from predators increases that good feel, and they'd still pursue those things vigilantly.
>>18656213>>18656217Actually, you make good points. Thanks for the arguments, guys. I'll need to thinn about them, but I can actually now see the argument proving atheism.
>>18655992Every day, their "arguments" get more asinine and retarded.
>>18656247It doesn't prove atheism either. Atheism, theism and deism cannot be definitively proved or disproved.
>>18655845>If consciousness was the result of evolution, it could be made in such a way it'd cause nothing but unending pain to humans.Yes this happens all the time. It can be artificially imposed in the form of torture or it can occur naturally in the form of chronic pain. There is also mental illnesses such as paranoid schizophrenia or body dysmorphia or late-stage dementia, which cause unceasing mental agony for no practical reason. There are millions of people around the world who live in a constant state of torment because something in their body or their mind just stopped working properly.
>>18655845atheist reuse to brlirve in a bible because it was written by men but they believe in evolution and science even thought it also comes from books written by men. Atheist are illogical and hypocrites, there is no point in arguing with them
