Atheists have no answer to it...
>>18659951>hey atheists... when you ate breakfast this morning your brain didn't make you experience unfathomable agony, therefore God existsI kneel... This new line of argumentation is simply too much for atheists, we have no rebuttal... I just makes so much sense.
Can't natural selection explain psychophysical harmony? I don't understand why this is used as an argument.
>>18659966Sounds like atheist nonsense. Why would there be evolutionary pressure towards organisms that are rewarded for behaviors like eating, mating and seeking shelter, instead of feeling tremendous agony when they do these things?
I think the fact we don't know the real workings of the world is cool as shit. We evolved to use some of what's possible, but we can direct our future development at improving the human user experience. One hole for breathing and eating? Feeble internal O2 capacity and lack of CO2 scrubber? Pathetic skin strength and susceptibility to projectile and blunt force trauma? Inability to survive in vacuum? Most of our universe is instantly deadly to baseline humans? Let's fix all that shit and more.
>>18659966Nature wouldn't have an inherent need for it, and how exactly immaterial and unconscious matter would create consciousness is a mystery. Animals don't have consciousness and could all just be P-zombies.>>18659958That's not the argument.
>>18659976>Nature wouldn't have an inherent need for itRight, but an animal without psychophysical harmony would have a more difficult time reproducing. The thread says atheists have no answer, and that would be the atheist answer. This argument sounds like someone showing a beautiful flower to an evolutionary biologist and yelling about how there is no explanation other than a loving creator.
>>18659976>That's not the argument.Then enlighten us what the argument is, using your own words.
>>18659985>Right, but an animal without psychophysical harmony would have a more difficult time reproducingBut from the atheist perspective, the experience doesn't influence the response. The response is just an effect of physics. Consider this: you have a disembodied brain hooked up to some electrodes. A camera looks at a color and then a signal is sent up the optic nerve. If the camera sees blue then a green signal is sent, if it sees green a red signal, and red a blue signal. Then another device reads the output of what the brain says it sees and replaces that signal with the correct answers. It seems that a being could experience horrible agony when eating and still respond by eating more.
>>18659951Multiple papers have been published answering this argument.
>>18659951whats the argument?
People suffering from seizures have had their brains separated at the center, and they found their own limbs moving on their own.
>>18660849>But from the atheist perspective, the experience doesn't influence the response.This is untrue. The only people who think that your mental states have no causal influence on your behavior are epiphenomenalist dualists. Most atheists do not hold that sort of view. If you're a physicalist, it makes perfect sense that your mental states influence your behavior, because they're both events in the physical world, and obviously physical events can influence other physical events.>It seems that a being could experience horrible agony when eating and still respond by eating more.It does not seem to me that this could happen. The only reason you would think that this is coherent is if you hold this Humean view that there are no necessary connections between distinct things, and so anything can conceivably cause anything. But this just belies common sense. If you really consider what pain and pleasure are, it's simply not conceivable that you could have pleasure systematically motivating avoidance behavior or pain systematically motivating you to seek out the thing that causes pain.
>>18659951Why do theists keep coming up with newer and more retarded "arguments" for their god?
>>18661143The argument boils down to "organisms could experience constant pain instead of having pain/pleasure associated with certain things, but they don't, therefore God," to which you might reply "that sounds really fucking stupid" and you'd be right. This bulletproof new line of argumentation relies on saying that it is ridiculous that a secular theory of evolution could suggest that positive and negative reactions to different stimuli would naturally emerge from evolution.
>>18659958This but unironically
there are proof of god everywhere but Atheists are to stupid, foolish, evil, ignorant, arrogant and zealous in their belief to recognize it.Atheists are so dumb it's unbelievable, i hate them so much
>>18659951>>18661276but there are humans born with constant pain, they don't tend to live long.
>>18661192So you think the brain in my example would be experiencing the correct colors anyway?
>>18661608And tripod fish.
>>18661617QrdThe life of a tripod fish is a harsh and unforgiving struggle played out in the cold, crushing darkness of the deep sea, where survival is a constant test of endurance. Born as fragile eggs scattered on the abyssal plain, most never make it past their earliest days, falling victim to scavengers or the relentless pressure miles beneath the surface. Those that hatch drift through a silent, empty world, their tiny bodies vulnerable to predators and starvation as they search for the slightest traces of food. As they grow, tripod fish must adapt to an existence defined by scarcity and solitude, developing the elongated fin rays that allow them to stand on the seafloor like eerie sentinels in the gloom. Food is rare, and they may wait motionless for hours or even days, relying on faint vibrations in the water to detect the approach of small creatures worth eating. Their world is a place where warmth, light, and companionship do not exist, and every movement demands precious energy they can’t afford to waste. Even reproduction reflects their lonely reality—tripod fish are simultaneous hermaphrodites, capable of reproducing alone because they so rarely encounter another of their kind in the vast, silent abyss. In this shadowy realm of isolation, scarcity, and relentless pressure, the tripod fish survives not because life is kind, but because it has evolved to endure a world that offers nothing except the chance to persist.
