If God can rug-pull the Jews and secretly be a Trinitarian God that damns them all to Hell, what's stopping him from doing it again to Christians?
>>18660031It just isn’t true that Jesus was like this blind spot that the Jews didn’t see coming. You would think Abraham would have been enough. He was being asked to sacrifice Isaac and then Isaac would have been it. But it couldn’t work because a father’s love for his own son was more than his desire to let God have him and kill him. It had to plan out through Jesus coming. God told us through Adam to Jesus that he was the last and final one. You can’t have a third son of God. The ark is now in heaven with his blood. So something that actually continues the kjv bible no apocrypha would have to happen where everything in revelation comes to pass and we are all super bored of heaven and having perfect glorified bodies and waiting around for something new to happen. But what’s going to happen is already written about what we’ll do for eternity. There is new heaven and then new earth after this one is purified while we are all in heaven (and everyone else in hell). If you’ve ever seen pristine conditions of nature, where there is zero indication of sinful influence of man anywhere, and God returns everything to how it was, that’s what it’s going to be like for new earth. New heaven will also be something. Even the Heaven of heavens.If God did do something he will prepare us all first just like he did with Jesus with the Jews. It just won’t happen! It’s like asking you do you like the taste of biting an electric wire? When I’ve done that I never did it again because it just wasn’t any fun. My instincts fear it unless I’m testing a battery for any juice.
I’ll quickly add this: the Blood of Abel to Zachariah is the Holy Spirit for Jesus Christ. Between Adam and Jesus you have the blood of the righteous. All of it was then replaced by Jesus’ blood in the ark in heaven.
>>18660122>If God did do something he will prepare us all first just like he did with Jesus with the Jews.What if he did but he hardened your heart just like he did with the jews so that you wouldn't notice?
>>18660129God just doesn’t do that to anyone. Remember Pharoah made his choice? It was what he wanted. He wanted to be god. The Pharisees weren’t listening to God. Then God send Jesus. If they had been following God Jesus would have been immediately greeted as the king of the Jews. But instead Jesus told them “if you had really believed Moses, then you would have believed me.” Basically it informed them that they were really just there for their self. They left Egypt just to go to Israel and play Pharoah, their self.
>>18660135Of course you would say that if your heart was hardened. God can just send another Prophet and be like "if you really believed Jesus you would believe me". And you would just make up a bunch of headcanon for why he's wrong because you have a hardened heart.
>>18660141No, it’s apparent to someone that Jesus is the messiah. A humble person is reading the scriptures and believing them. The Jews had decided that certain things are not possible with God. I think that reveals their heart was hardened. Like to the resurrection of the dead. And like to the son of God.The sadducees didn’t believe in a resurrection of the dead, the Pharisees did. The Pharisees didn’t believe in the son of God that reforms Man again under Adam (in this case under Jesus Christ). In such a way that nobody has to gawk at Pharisees wearing priestly clothing because everyone is saved now making no one better than anyone else. They ultimately got mad at this idea because it meant losing power over slaves they had bound with their application of religious laws to every day life. Like they tried to kill Jesus for eating in the field (it was actually his disciples were hungry on the sabbath so they ate the corn).
>>18660031Hi rodent. Your brain is worthless. Enjoy burning.
For me I just want my wife to marry me because I was promised twice 33 years apart from her that she would and I loved her the day I met her at six years old. I guess my heart hardening would be not believing God can do it, because he would have to be a liar in his Word. That’s why I believe He can and I received my wife already. She already said so, so it’s all up to Him to fulfill it for me according to His own scripture found in Matthew 21:22 kjv and Mark 11:24 kjv. Hope that helps. Thanks.
>>18660176Grow up.
>>18660122jesus didnt fulfil a single messianic ot prophecy in its actual context. not 1.
>>18660158>No, it’s apparent to someone that Jesus is the messiahIt really wasn't, the gospels even show this. None of the disciples ever thought the Messiah had to suffer and die. If it was something they all expected, why would they have been so surprised?
>>18660185Written like someone who just closes their eyes and hides from the truth.>>18660207You’re talking about how they forgot. It’s easy to forget when you are with Jesus.>>18660179Never. You can be a child of God and still get married. Blessed be God who gives me my wife in fulfillment to His and her word.
>>18660260>Written like someone who just closes their eyes and hides from the truth.see? you cant name a single ot prophecy he fulfiled in context. you literally will never be able to do it.
>>18660122Here we have John. F. Hindsight, theologian of yesterday's schisms. Famed for his great words: "They coulda..." + "They shoulda...".You say Christianity didn't come out of left field and to back it up you cite a menagiere of disparate events that can only be made sense of if you already know the end point. That is exactly OP's point.>God told us through Adam to Jesus that he was the last and final one.That's what you think. But some unlucky Jews thought God had promised them a great conquering King and a temple far greater than Salomon or Herod's and look where that got them. You are in denial.
isn't this the entire premise of Islam
>>18660031More than the trinity thing, imo, is the whole covenant fulfillment business. Christianity unwittingly establishes God can at any time modify the terms of his covenants without the believer having the least imput on it. To conscientiously worship Yhwh you would need to >>18660298Ironically, Islam does not have this issue because it autistically insists it was the original religion all along and everyone else is a corruption, and qualifies Mohammed with the declaration there won't be another one. But yeah, basically. There are even muslims who claim Jesus was talking about Muhammad when he mentions the paraclete. Of course all good biblegoys "know" this is supposed to the the Holy Spirit but this is interpretation.
>>18660031>secretly be a Trinitarian GodIn the beginning there was the people that are of God and they were collectively the will of God made manifest upon the earth. They fell from that throne, and jews later claimed to be of their kind in exile from egypt. The new covenant is a restoration of that previous state, applied not to jews, but to that entire group to which it originally belonged.
>>18660303>Of course all good biblegoys "know" this is supposed to the the Holy SpiritBecause that's what it says. John 14:26. How can you be so dumb that you don't bother to check this, anon?Also the Genesis account itself, in chapter 1, refers to the Holy Trinity when it has God saying, "Let us make man in our image."
>>18661620ackshually thats a divine council reference
>>18660031It isn't much of a rug-pull when the Hebrew writers were seemingly quite aware of multiple persons of YHWH. As were many Second Temple rabbis from what we found in their writings. So much so that the Talmud has to retcon one of them explicitly afaik.Nothing's stopping Him, He just doesn't do that.
>>18661878where in the hebrew bible does god say that he is three co-eternal, co-equal consubstantial persons that share the same essence
>>18661890Ask whoever claimed that. My claim was they were aware of multiple persons of YHWH which can be seen in Judges when the Angel of YHWH is conflated with YHWH while speaking to Gideon.
>>18661923that doesn't really have anything to do with the trinity though, its still a rugpull. all the angel of yhwh stuff implies is that early jews were completely fine with the idea that god could be a physical being, but later jews and christians weren't.
>>18660270It's incredible, they don't even try.
>>18661933Not sure what you mean by physical being but if you mean localized, then I wouldn't need to reach to Judges, out of all books, to make that case. It's already obvious in Genesis and in Exodus. Judges is special because afaik it contains the first passage where YHWH speaks from the heavens and at the same time stands there with Gideon, talking face to face. It doesn't get more two-persons-one-YHWH than that.
>>18661943it is one yhwh though, there is no 'two persons'. early israelites thought that god could be a physical being and 'the angel of the lord' is an interpolation that only came once that idea became uncomfortable. some of the earliest texts of the hebrew bible like judges 5 have the lord himself literally leading an army.
>>18661945>it is one yhwh thoughThat's the idea of Trinity. One God (YHWH) in three persons. >there is no 'two persons'If he's speaking from two places at once, there clearly are.>the lord himself literally leading an armyYes, that squares perfectly with the Trinity.
>>18661946do christians today think god can physically manifest in front of them in human form
>>18661951Yes. Thomas touched his wounds.
>>18660158>nobody has to gawk at Pharisees wearing priestly clothing because everyone is saved now making no one better than anyone elseYou're on the fucking history board and you sound like you were homeschooled by Pastor Jim
>>18661620>the Holy Spirit>has a distinct will>Acts 13:2>1 Corinthians 12:11How do those verses prove the Holy Spirit has a distinct will from the Father/Son?
