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>I (god) am the master of predestination. Everything that happens happens according to my will
>I'm gonna give 100 illnesses to the guy who figured out the correct theology and he's gonna die in agonizing pain
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>>18660231
>free will doesn't exisy because instead of being called to join in forming the body of Christ, I am meant to instead worship the one true living God.
Being against Calvin means you're pretending not to understand Calvin.
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>>18660231
Being plagued for unleashing a plague, I'd call that divine justice.
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>>18660231
Calvinism has the most Biblically accurate take on salvation/damnation.

Ephesians 2:8-9
>For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.
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>>18660273
Protestant definition of faith as belief alone actually excludes the possibility of Jesus being faithful, since he doesn't "believe" per say but actually knows without a shadow of doubt.

Suffice to say, this reductionist conceptualization immediately collapses once you realizes it's Jesus' faith that saves and not your own.
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>>18660307
The only begotten Son didn't come for his own salvation so that hardly matters.
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>>18660309
He came for the salvation of all of mankind (really it was only for Jews but I'm just quoting what Christians believe)
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>>18660318
He came for the salvation of all trees, not all plants. But the jew trees took exception to the salvation not being for them alone, and created a new religion for the express purpose of destroying all other trees except their own kind of tree.
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>Jesus commands disciples to ignore the Gentiles and only go to the lost sheep of Israel
>James (Jesus' brother) expects Gentiles to convert to Judaism

Only at the council of Jerusalem does Paul convince James and Peter to let Gentiles join without following Jewish laws and customs. Which at that point had nothing to do with what Jesus wanted the movement to be
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>>18660307
Nowhere in Ephesians, or the rest of the NT, is that even implied
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>>18660318
>really it was only for Jews
Jesus said
>I came for the sick
I don't think this is the win you think it is rebbe
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Read Sir Robert Anderson.
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>>18660231
>You know that infinite God you believe in?
>Well, we figured him out completely with our finite minds and put him inside a tidy little box.
>James who? We only care about Paul
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>>18660307
>per say
oh, for fuck's sake ...
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>>18660307
Wouldn't following that logic to its conclusion lead to Christian universalism?
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>>18660231
And he will glorify the Lord all the more because of it.
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>>18660307
Saving faith consists in three components: notitia (knowledge), assensus (assent), and fiducia (trust). Jesus did believe, because to believe is not to be blind and ignorant but to possess these elements. Now, that we are saved by Christ’s faith and not our own is true only under sola fide, because we are saved by our faith not properly as it is a virtue as the ground of our justification, but only instrumentally because by faith (and by faith alone, at that) do we apprehend the righteousness of Christ which being imputed to the believer is the sole meritorious cause and ground of justification. Therefore no matter how weak our faith is, we can take heart because our Savior’s faith was very strong. Whereas every form of synergism makes our own faith the ground of our justification, as it is not only a divine instrument graciously created in the heart for our salvation, but a free human action which (usually, among many others) must be performed in addition to the death of Christ to make it effective, so that the cause is not the grace of God but our striving, our acting, our believing, our doing good works and avoiding mortal sins etc etc.

Romans 9:16 “So then it does not depend on the one who wills or the one who runs, but on God who has mercy.”



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