P1. God is not bound by time, God created timeP2. When God created the universe, it cannot be that God created the world at Point/Time 0, and then waited for time to progress and for history to unfold. That would imply that God is bound by time and has to wait for time to pass, like we do. But that is impossible. P3. This means that when God created the universe, he created everything, from Point/Time 0 to Point/Time 100 to Point/Time 1000, etc. all simultaneously. This is the only way that God is not bound by time. This means that the “future” is a fixed point that already exists. How can I have real free will, when every single one of my choices was created simultaneously, by God, at the “beginning” of creation?I have no independent authority to create or shape the future, because it already exists. As the vessel playing out God's creation, my personal perspective of time moving throughout my life is essentially an illusion. Like a character in a play. This would also imply that there are no independent causality events stemming from God's creations and all causality is from God, in a singular causality event.
>>18660320I would define a theoretical capital G God as the ultimate rule breaker. No rule that he cannot break, and no rule that can affect him unless he wills otherwise. Yes that means he can create rules as he pleases.He doesn’t need time to do anything, he simply can. Cause and effect are rules and he can just ignore those.Yes, he can simply ignore the rule of time happening linearly to him, he could simply make time nonlinear until some creature he liked shows up. Or make them himself, he not exactly playing fair.I would like to posit that man being made in God’s image isn’t about form but rather free will. He is the ultimate rule breaker, free will manifest. On the contrary, why would a hairless ape be his image?Give that he bestowed you free will. There is no catch, he can defy causality and any other law you can think of. It is as almost as unbound as he is. Well apart from that he cannot create a rule or lack thereof that defies himself.If he is acting, you cannot have free will. Because his will overrides yours.Thus it stands that free will would be what it means to be created in his image, and having done so means he would never allow himself to infringe on that and thus cannot intervene. Except through proxies, maybe.Either that or free will is him, seems less likely though.
>>18660320>P3. This means that when God created the universe, he created everything, from Point/Time 0 to Point/Time 100 to Point/Time 1000, etc. all simultaneously. This is the only way that God is not bound by time.no, it just means after creation he instantly could experience and interact with any point in the timeline, from his perspective, all points in time became accessible forever. like how you can move to any point of a movie.
>>18660474> like how you can move to any point of a movie.Wouldn’t that require the whole plot of the movie to exist already?
>>18660320>>18660443>>18660474>>18660610All correct answers to OP. God both created free will and also predestinated everyone once you get saved. He knows your outcomes if you don’t get saved, and if you do. God both is the everlasting to everlasting. He is also Creator of the Beginning and the Ending (Alpha and Omega). He is the I AM THAT I AM that revealed himself as a burning bush to Moses. The Shikanah Glory was a special brightness of God that denotes his presence that Moses saw in the burning bush and above the ark of the covenant. Only Jesus Christ , someone like him is predestinated. He could have departed from his purpose he was born for, but he went through with it. When the rest of us are born, we have a choice to come to the Lord or not. Even someone like King David. There were people who did in fact want out of the lineage of Jesus when they were born and God’s answer to them was basically have sex or die. There was nowhere for them to run or hide. Imagine being those guys. The rest of us have a choice to get saved. You become predestinated and this is like when you were born into Creation and you now see light. Before Man there was darkness. What was there in the everlasting before us? Science thinks there is just the big bang. What was there before that? More big bangs? Just static dots happening of dimensions coming in and out of white and black holes without end? Or do they have a purpose, love, a plan, and an intelligent loving Father behind it? For us we just know that our Creator has to replace the light bulb from time to time. He gave us bodies that are constantly needing new things to keep going. In fact he told us we are weak and He is strong. Imagine thinking that you as a bag of skin that bleeds blood if you pricked your finger is strong. Did you know the Bible says the earth waxes old like a garment? Even the earth needs God.
>>18660610>Wouldn’t that require the whole plot of the movie to exist already?for an omniscient omnipresent omnipotent god outside of time it does
God has every outcome under his feet. Like every movie that can possibly exist. He also has your movie He knows you chose. Here is a big thing too: your choices are also effecting other people that you are sharing one body with.
>>18660320>How can I have real free will, when every single one of my choices was created simultaneously, by God, at the “beginning” of creation?You dont, or at least not on the randomness version of free will. Your actions, they are a consequence of your physical being, and so are the consequences of those actions. You are not higher than human, nor separate from material reality. The choices you make exist within this world where context predetermines your actions, and your responsibility for them exists the same way.Once again, what does a being who existed before life itself care about pain, pleasure, all these things that we care about because we have a nervous system and brain to recieve said information, when God precedes them and has a will regardless
>>18660320>P1. God is not bound by time, God created timeI would reject this premise. Time isn't something that "binds" God. The past and the present are all the time that has existed. If that's a fact, where does the "binding" come in? It's like saying God is "bound" by truth because he only knows that true things are true.>But that is impossible.By definition from P1, but P1 should be rejected.
>>18662136Presentism makes the most sense tbqh famalam.
>>18660320You are God. You chose to play the game of life that you scripted before time and space existed. You scripted the game out of your own free will, and now you play this deterministic simulation for a few years, meaning free will exists, just no in this reality.
