He is officially a non-Christian now. He flat out rejects the Nicene Trinity. He is a damned and accursed heretic. He is an open and unabashed tritheist, neo-apollinarian, and neo-adoptionist. Anathema to William L. Craig. Anathema to his followers.
>>18660407william lane, if there is a 1 in a million chance christianity is true you should believe it, craig
>>18660407Well duh. Even as an atheist I knew YEC and specifically "Flood Geology" was nowhere in the Bible. So from a Christian perspective he was always flippant with the word of God.
https://roysreport.com/controversy-begotten-apologist-william-lane-craig-rejects-nicene-creed/>Being “begotten,” he said, makes someone “derivative” and “subordinate,” and God the Son is equal to God the Father in eternity.>"Among the church Fathers as we’ll see this doctrine that somehow the Son is begotten from the Father and not in his human nature but in his divine nature, that among the trinitarian persons there is this relationship of dependence of the second person on the first,” Craig said. “To my mind that doesn’t make sense.”He's achieved the final stage of trinitarianism. I don't know how someone could look at the new testament and decide after serious consideration that Jesus needs to be deified *even more highly* than normal trinitarians already have him, but there it is.
>When Craig was asked if there was an analogy that he liked to explain the Trinity, he said his favorite was Cerberus, the three-headed dog from Greek mythology (and the Harry Potter series).>“Cerberus had three minds, canine minds obviously,” he said during a Q&A. “You would have three canine persons, but clearly Cerberus was one dog … and these three minds had to work cooperatively for Cerberus to be an effective guard dog.”
>>18660532>To my mind that doesn’t make sensewtf does he think makes sense then? lmfao. trinitarians are retarded.
>>18660407William Lane Craig has held this view about eternal generation for a long time. This is not news. And he's simply objectively correct about the fact that eternal generation is nowhere to be found in the Bible.
>>18660539This is trash analogy because each head was only part of Cerberus, while the trinity rejects this notion and claims that each person is fully and entirely god in its own right, while still being just one of three. Then it stresses that there is only one god, not three separate gods. You can't use mathematics or physics to explain the trinity, it violates them.
>>18660877It's a good analogy for Craig's own ontology of the Trinity. He really does view the separate persons as possessing their own minds and wills, and each has their own unique center of consciousness, because Craig defines person in using the modern philosophical definition of the term as opposed to how it's used in classical theology. Craig's Trinitarianism breaks radically from the classical understanding, in particular from the Augustinian view of the Trinity, and that put forward by the Council of Nicaea. He is, as OP notes, basically a Tritheist.
>>18660877Wave-particle duality can be used to explain it tho. A wave is not a particle in physics, but both are the same physical phenomenon, an electron, say. The two aren’t combined to form an electron, rather the electron wave and electron particle exist as distinct forms, and both are the same electron. Likewise, the Son is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit, but all three are God; neither of them are combined, but rather they are all distinct yet the same God at the same time.
>>18660901The analogy is inverted though. The wave-particle duality reflects a breakdown of our intuitions and the requirement of the quantum model to be integrated. But spiritualism has not been counter-intuitive to humans, there was no secret new layer we discovered that needed to be integrated. Only a modernist/materialist would demand that the nature of god comply with his comprehension.
>>18660532>the final stage of trinitarianismthis is just a reversion ultimately to modalism
>>18660407grow up
>>18660407Well this narcissism of small differences doesn't matter to me. as a muslim I think somewhat highly of him, and white. few good dawah christians you have.
>>18660877I made a thread on /g/ about this but it got axed for no good reason. You can easily show the trinity in Javascript.
So he is more trinitarian than the trinitarians? Is he some kind of anti-Arius
>>18661156>Well this narcissism of small differences doesn't matter to me. as a muslim I think somewhat highly of him, and white. few good dawah christians you have.It's not a small difference. His view of the Trinity breaks from the historic understanding of the Trinity.
>>18660407>BUT DA IMPLICATIONS OF DOCTRINEYeah ok, so why didn’t the Bible give a Torah like explanation of doctrine then huh?Christianity seems much more open than what legalistic angolems claim.If it’s not rank heresy, it’s not against Christianity.
>>18661172Christianity is about orthodoxy. You MUST have the correct beliefs. This is absolutely imperative or you face possible damnation.
>>18661184Christianity is about believing what Jesus and the Apostles taught. It's not about believing whatever Anon's favorite dead people thought.
>>18660532>PLEASE read my blog
>>18661206What Jesus and the Apostles taught is orthodoxy.
>>18661318And they didn't get into extreme detail on the Trinity, unlike Catholics who insist you believe in the filioque or you are damned (not kidding, look at the Athanasian Crees), so a broad range of interpretations are all orthodox
>>18661321>And they didn't get into extreme detail on the TrinityYes they absolutely did. Jesus goes into depth about the perichoresis of persons in the Farewell Discourse and, really the whole Gospel of John specifically, outlines the metaphysics of the Trinity.
>>18661332How could I forget the part of the Bible where it clearly lays how the perichoesis of the persons immantentize the eschaton of hyperdulia within the proceeding emanations of the hypostasis, get William Lane Craig on stage with a Catholic right now it's time for him to be exposed as a heretic
>>18660407I don't really care about the Nicene creed. The question is, does he believe in the King James Bible? These allegiances to creeds are a huge smokescreen and I suspect a plot by papists to bring people into the whore mother fake church.>>18660507How old do you think the earth is?
>>18661337>LOOK AT MY WORD SALAD GUYS IM SO CLEVER Yeah so you're going to hell. If you deny the Trinity you are going to hell and the only correct, historic, and orthodox view of the Trinity is that proclaimed by Nicaea and the Nicene Fathers. This is the view held by the Catholic Church. This is the view held by the Orthodox Church. This is the view held among Anglicans, Lutherans, and Reformed. Sure we can quibble about a few minor things like the filioque, or how the Son possesses aseity, but to say that the members of the Trinity each possess three distinct intellects and wills, that they are three separate centers of consciousness, that they are like Cerberus, that the Son is not eternally begotten, that the divine mind of the Logos somehow replaces the human mind of Jesus, is outright damnable and Satanic heresy that will get you condemned to hell for all eternity. Recant. Recant now and submit to the holy, catholic, apostolic, and orthodox teachings of the one true Church. Recant and submit. Now.
>>18661348The KJV is a false Bible and is from Satan. Recant.
>>18661362>This is the view held by the Catholic Church. This is the view held by the Orthodox Church.The Catholic church doesn't even say Muslims go to Hell anymore. You can full-on deny the Trinity now and according to Lumen Gentum you're covered under God's plan for salvation. Catholicism is effectively a universalist religion now, minus people it's culturally accepted to single out as especially bad.And back in the day, Catholic doctrine was that Orthodox were damned for the specific details of their belief in the Trinity. The Athanasian Creed clearly states:"Anyone who does not keep it whole and unbroken will doubtless perish eternally." and "Anyone then who desires to be saved should think thus about the trinity." and "one cannot be saved without believing it firmly and faithfully". In context it repeatedly emphasizes in the strongest possible terms that one must hold to its model of the Trinity, which includes "he proceeds from the Father and the Son".That is where this bizarre insistence on agreement with extremely specific points of a doctrine eventually leads you.>Sure we can quibble about a few minor things like the filioqueTo say this is to deny the Athanasian creed, which explicitly states that no you very much cannot "quibble" about that.
>>18661370The KJV is an accurate translation and is the word of God. But that doesn't really prove YEC or flood geology either.
>>18661370You're so fucked. :)
>>18661678Give me your single-best piece of evidence for the KJV being divine.
>>18661687The King James.
>>18661981I've long suspected you were a troll, I will be taking this as proof in the future.Tag:KVJAnonLarper
>>18662112Don't ask questions if you can't handle the answer.
>>18662112John 1:1The KJV is divine. You are going to hell. :)
>>18660407>ITT: People continue to debate stupid shit more than a century after it stopped being relevantOP, stop being a colossal faggot.
>>18660407Grow up.
