>>18661647
It's pretty simple really. They believe Abraham, Moses, Jesus (as a man, not God the Son), Muhammad, and other prophets to be all part of this same belief tradition of monotheistic God worship. Best part is its straightforwardness, worst part is that there are no universally agreed criteria to interpret what is part of the religion which leads to takfiri Salafis and other nonsense.
Favorite sects are Zaydism, Salafism, and Nizari Ismailism.

>>18661673
>Best part is its straightforwardness

lol anon it's so insanely convoluted that you're supposed to enter the bathroom with your right foot first and then invoke Allah's protection against Jinn that lurk in latrines every time you relieve yourself. It's insanely complex, hence the massive body of hadith literature you need go actually follow it

>>18661683
Most Muslims don't follow those innane rules. A lot do however and find it absolutely necessary, and that's why I said the worst part is the fact that nobody agrees on shit. A lot of Muslims who act that way get judged by other Muslims. Sometimes shit like that breaks some families apart because someone started following a particular movement like Tablighis.
Hadith is pretty much the prime source of disagreement among Muslims.

Economically, it leans towards libertarianism.
Ethically, it leans towards ethical pragmatism.
Politically, the ruler does not hold office through inheritance or divine right; rather, he is a public servant who serves the people and is held accountable by them should he fail in his duties.
Of course, you will not find any state claiming to be Islamic that actually implements its teachings, because every sect asserts that its own interpretation is the correct one.
The only state that truly implemented Islam was the Rashidun Caliphate—and I truly admire that state; you might want to look into it further.

they claim to be monotheistic but believe in djinns

Most consequent form of monotheism.
>best
Mohammad succeeded as a prophet and founded an empire in this world.
>worst
It's as shallow as a puddle and ran out of ideas about 1000 years ago.

>>18661736
Don't see how those two beliefs contradict. Djinns are similar to people in the fact that they have different personalities and some are said to be Muslim. They're not divine in any way, and the only power they hold over people is the fact that they can influence people without being perceived.

>>18661726
70-80% of Muslims believe in the existence of djinn, curses, and witchcraft. Muhammed along with all of his companions also believed in those things

>>18661647
Isn't the star and crescent a Turkic tamga that became the symbol of Islam just because the Ottomans got ahold of the caliphate?

>>18661753
You don't really know what you're saying. 100% of Muslims believe in djinn, curses, and magic as those are all mentioned in the Quran. Belief in these things do not coincide 1:1 with following silly rules from some questionable and optional hadith records to avoid having your butthole tickled by Satan.

>>18661759
It existed as a symbol before the Turks, but it was always secular yes. I always preferred the Star of David, known as the Seal of Solomon by Muslims, as an Islamic symbol. There are medieval Mosques and Muslim graves with the Seal of Solomon on it.

>>18661764
All of those things are superstitions. Djinn do not exist, curses are not real, and witches are either scammers or cosplayers

>>18661773
I've heard a theory that the Star of David was also a Turkic pagan symbol that was introduced to European Jewry through Khazaria (apparently the oldest Jewish context is 10th-century graves in Hungary belonging to Jewish Kabars who accompanied the Magyar conquest) and to the Islamic world by the Oghuz Turks. I can see why the more puritanical Muslims nowadays want to revert to the Shahada as the religious symbol.

>>18661647
The Koran is God's revelation to the people of Ishmael. If you're not Arab it probably won't fit right into your life.

The Koran allows polygamy, sleeping with married slave woman, and advises beating your wife if you they get rowdy.
For the typical devout Christian, these things would seem abhorrent, and like a destruction of love.
Swedenborg has written that the entire Christian heaven has been built on this ideal of monogamous marriage love, and the Islamic heaven is separated from Christian heaven as they do not live up to this more pure form of love.

Moses allowed divorce to the Jews because their hearts were hard.
Similarly Mohamed allowed polygamy because the Arabs are a highly promiscuous people.
The average Christian couple however does not desire polygamy, and it wouldn't fit right into the typical European culture.

Each people has been revealed different religion in accordance with their ability to understand and approach to God.
Hindus religion has the defect of polytheism, when they should understand it is One God.
Buddhism has the defect of atheism, even though the light of heaven shines through the buddhas.
Each according to the ability of the people to understand.

If you're an Arab consumed by lust, Islam is probably a great path for you.
If you're a white guy, it probably won't fit right.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. The commands of Jesus are very steep when followed to their full extent - total devotion to God.

>>18661837
The Islamic idea of Heaven is just a non-stop orgy party of cooming, because it's a fraud religion that can only appeal to the limited baser instincts of men. Christian Heaven is much more audacious, with saying something almost paradoxical in ordinary thought, which is that experience and fulfillment literally never end and there's always more to obtain for all eternity.

>>18661647
I'm Brahmin but I believe in Allah.

>>18661790
You could argue that, sure. Doesn't really contradict what I said.
>>18661793
I never really thought it to be introduced around that time, but looking into it I can't really find earlier examples. I find that theory interesting, but I wonder how the symbol reached Muslims in North Africa and Al-Andalus. You can see the symbol in the Catalan Atlas in North Africa and there's quite a few Christian Iberian artwork depicting Moors with the Star of David on their shields. I'll look more into this theory, first time hearing of it.

>>18661647
>Tell me the best part
Monotheism.

There's some diversity of thought in the schools of sunni theology; Athari, Ash'ari, Maturidi and Mutazilites.
Athari is the most visible online with dawah guys. rose in-opposition to neo-platonists (like ibn-sina) and the mutakalimun (kalam philosophers, like Al-ghazali). Based on a soft-empircist fitra-foundationalism epistemology of scholar Ibn Taymiyya. It argued syllogistic reasoning may conceive God, but that knowledge must be grounded in human understanding through empirical sense, fitra, reason and revelation. Making the epistomolgy part of our soteriology, as one's rational faculties must awaken their fitrah (an innate disposition toward God) in a sincere recognition of their creator.
And the epistemic warrant is grounded in the proper functioning of this fitrah alongside relevant cognitive faculties, within an epistemic milieu congenial to its operation.
This is the eye of the soul, veiled beneath accretions of cultures, habits and desires.

In our paradigm, all people are born upon this primordial purity, in a rejection of the augustinian original sin, it posits messengers were sent throughout the world, carrying laws tailored to their social-realities. But one message; worship of the one God.
And the known recurrence of monotheistic impulses throughout human history therefore are understood as an awakening of man's fitrah; his innate orientation towards the Creator. These various cultures then distorted, obscured and institutionalized laws suited to them. This is why we say you are born a muslim, and you revert to it.

He concieved of the servant's freedom through casual realism and secondary-causations in a compatibalist setting, opposed to the mainstream kasb view of ash'aris. Their conception of God is one acting in-time (against platonic beliefs, and thomas acquinas' pure act).

>>18661647
They believe they have to present their asses and bow their heads 5 times a day towards a black stone in a big cube on the other side of the world because an illiterate pedophile bandit from 1500 years ago said to.

>>18661947
Continued:
Some other quirks in this school, like the uncreatedness of the Qur'an, and they affirm attributes without ascribing modalities to them, by grounding their meaning through revelation, and naturally don't lean too heavily on speculating scripture.
I think Salafi and Wahhabi (ibn Wahab) chud movements are linked to this. but i digress.

The Mutazilites in contrast are rationalists in epistomology. Their epistemic warrant is grounded in the proper functioning of reason. They don't affirm real attributes, and believe in a form of libertarian model of will. They don't affirm the uncreatedness of the Qur'an (this is actually a more thought provoking metaphysical question than it seems). Their method was of course revelation being read with rational necessasity, otherwise verses being metaphorized. They did borrow a little greek metaphysics to explain their theology, but weren't neo-platonists like avecenna (ibn sina) or a good amount of shias.

The other 2 are somewhat in the middle in that other.
There's also 4 schools of fiqh or Jurisprudence; Hanbali, Sha'fi, Hanafi and Maliki. They have their quirks too.

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>>18661735
>Politically, the ruler does not hold office through inheritance or divine right; rather, he is a public servant
There's no distinction between Religion and Politics in Islam and the Leadership is through inheritance(Quraysh) or Divine right(Ahl al-Bayt) that's the Sunni vs Shiite 1400 years old Muslim fight.

Fatwas are fucking bullshit and the fact that they can overrull Mohammeds teachings is stupid

The religious are people infected by a mental parasite. They need help. Islam is the nastier, more virulent strain.

>>18661977
How charming

>>18661853
Its not a fraud religion, its just generally a good path for arabic people to go to arabic heaven filled with other arabs. But if your not arab its not a good fit in general.

>>18661647
It's a hedonistic religion. They are promised power, property and control over women so long as they follow the rules, then even greater rewards in the afterlife.

>>18661947
>Monotheism
What's so good about that? People seem quite happy with polytheism. Pray to a specific god for a specific thing. No worries about conflicting attributes or the implications of maximum power. Looking at people, positing plurality in the divine doesn't seem to be a negative for most people.

You could argue monotheism simplifies things and makes it less burdensome, but that's definitely not the case for a religion where you must perform five prayers every day at specific times following a set ritual and reciting specific Arabic words. The same prayer, all day every single day. If anything that would get stale and bland, diversity might be some spice.

In short, Muslims who harp on strict monotheism are just going Texas sharpshooter, not actually thinking of a specific benefit. Even Muhammad saw the attraction of plurality in divinity as the matter of the so-called Satanic verses showed.

>>18662120
Because there is One God, and many polytheistic gods are demons or shells between the True God.

Otherwise people start worshipping the planets, but youre not supposed to worship them.

Christianity went through the same thing in Europe, as they collectively realized it was better than their paganism of planetary worship

Do you really think the average Odinism larper is better integrated in life than a normal Christian church going family?

>>18662120
you asked a question, wrote some things, then you concluded. even though you didn't make any conclusions.
It was already answered in the post.

Our faculties of reason, fitrah, and revelation converge upon a oneness, the tawhid; unifying around the recognition of the one, the necessary.

We reason through our rational faculty, the Kalam dialecticals and Falsafa, that dependence and multiplicity are features of the empirical contingent world. Species proliferate, because no single instance exhausts their essence. The Innumerable stars in the night-sky are each partial actualizations of their genus. Their essences do not entail their existence; they are not a-se, not self‑sufficient.
They have an intrinsic need for divisions of labor, heirarchies, complimentism, instantiation, or partiality.
>A man in relation to many partners who dispute with one another, and a man in relation to one man. Are the two equal in similitude? (quran 39:29)
This fragmentation of the empirical world is a sure sign of its incompleteness, and can be reasoned is a temporary refuge for the son of Adam.

A Necessary Being cannot be dependent or require prior principles. Not be amongst many in a classification, that presupposes a differentiation, which entails a limitation. According to Al-Ghazali, this contradicts the notion of an absolute being.

Thus, ideas of Multiple necessary beings entails, in some respect, a difference in will and thought
>Otherwise, each god would have taken what it created, and some would have sought to overcome one another other (quran 23:91).
A springboard is our own partial and overlapping knowledge sets; prior experiences and inherent biases creating externally acquired prejudice.God's knowledge and faculty of wisdom, in contrast, is complete.

Thus, accounting for multiplicity is a single referent that everything is ontologically dependent upon. This forms the cornerstone of monotheism.
>Say: He is God, One and Only (quran 112)

>>18661673
>Best part is its straightforwardness
do al zutt muslims still say this lie online? lmao

its so straightforward that multiple different versions of the qran had to be burned and muslims today have multiple schools of thought that disagree on many big things.

>>18662120
Continue:
Through this syllogism, our reason (aql) recognize oneness, revelation (naql) clarifies what reason alone can't, and our fitrah intuitively orients towards this referent of necessity. The truth.

In this paradigm, the monotheistic currents throughout human history are an awakening of man's fitrah; primordial disposition towards his creator.
Even polytheistic societies, although they had crowded pantheons, had sense to devote their worship to usually one deity.
>the Truth is one, the sages know it by many names - Rgveda (1.164.46)

Quoting a greek philosopher, we often try to project our likeness onto the divine, dressing them up in our culture and clothes, them having families and power struggles.
>If cattle and horses could draw, they would draw their gods like horses and cattle. But mortals suppose gods are born, and wear their clothes. There must be One God - Xenophanes

But there was no Aphrodite in a miniskirt bent over recliner eating grapes, nor Thor with a hammer fighting ice monkeys.
The incans soon recognized the sun and the moons were merely slaves to something transcendent. they stripped the sky of it's crown.
>Creator of the world, where art Thou?The sun, the moon, the day, the night, the summer the winter are not free; from Thee they receive, and it is Thee they obey (Incan sacred Prayer)

These same patterns emerge, even across civilizations that never meet.
>O God, like whom there is no other. You created the world whilst you were alone...You are in my heart, and there is no other that knows you (Hymn of Athen)

>Waaqa has no equal. He created out of nothing, and everything will return to Him. He is the breath of truth (Oromo)

>I cease to be a worshipper of false gods! I acknowledge Thee.. Ahura Mazda as the First and the Last (Prayer to Zoroaster)

>Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is One - (Deut 6:7)

>>18662060
This. Islam is just the base desire of a peodphile warlord being dressed up as a religion for brown people.
There's nothing holy about it, just power, sex and money. This is also the reason why browns love it so much, it appeals greatly to their soul and aspirations. Islam's heaven is just a harem of virgins, you go to heaven by being degenerate Islamist who murder innocents. Even pagan religions arent that degenerate, there's no orgies in Valhalla, Acient Egyptian heaven is peaceful green field, Indio heaven is meeting their gods.

>>18662262
>>18662231
continue:
Even before the revelation came to the desert of Arabia,
>Am I to worship one lord, or a thousand?I reject the idols of Hubal and all that is worshipped beside him. I will worship only my Lord, the Merciful One - Zayd ibn Amr (Pre-Islamic Arabia)

under the scorching sun, beneath the slave master's rock, a slave (bilal) was tortured to renounce his new faith (Islam in its infancy), to worship the Idols of Mecca. But he repeatedly uttered a single phrase:
"Ahad, Ahad" (The One, The One)

>>18661647
The best thing about Islam is that the story of its founding (i.e. Muhammed meeting an angel in a cave with a new revelation and calling him a new prophet) was literally already prophecied in the Bible

>Matthew 24:23-26
>Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

>Galatians 1: 6-9
> I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

>2 Corinthians 11:13-15
>For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

>>18662250
>its so straightforward that multiple different versions of the qran had to be burned
None of the controversy regarding the burning of pre-Uthmanic Qurans was about the Quran itself differing in content in the books, the only differences were about the order of the Surahs, the pronunciation of certain words, and whatever tafsirs were included. A minority of Shi'ites claim there could be a missing Surah, but nobody contests what exists in every Quran. The Muslims who lived during the time where they burned the different Qurans already had a wells established tradition of memorizing the Quran. If literally anything was changed, somebody would have said so and tried to cause rebellions and assassinations over it. But nothing was changed in the Quran in content so they found every other reason to commit rebellions and assassinations. These early Muslims were constantly fighting each other and yet the Quran's content was something they all agreed on. The basics of the religion is very straightforward.
>muslims today have multiple schools of thought that disagree on many big things.
I had already said this, but this is because of hadith and other traditions, not the Quran. My post already agrees with the point that there is an issue with too many interpretations.

>>18662318
See >>18662060 and >>18662263

>>18661647
Look up Wahhabism. That's what 90% of the world's muslim population follow today.

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>>18661647
The best:
>Fitra
>the belief that everyone is born a Muslim but can later get brainwashed
>you long for a monoteistic God by nature

The worst:
>Qadar
>God wrote down everything that would ever happen before he even created the universe
>somehow life is still supposed to be a test and the final judgement will be just

Favourite sect
>the Kharijites
>killed Ali who is pretty venerated by both Sunni and especially Shia
>believed everyone is equal except by faith
>believed only God can judge them
>believed that rulers should be chosen by piety and not blood or consensus
>they Takfired evryone randomly (accused of being a non-believer)
>are pretty much extinct because they fought a constant Jihad
>only the Ibadis remain because these are the castrated ones who wouldn't engage in eternal Jihad against everybody else

humans do not originate on earth, all other species on earth do, islam is also against human evolution, considering humans are kind of aliens, but haven't seen it against all other forms of evolution
gabriel has planet traveling abilities also being extraterrestrial, gave the message to the prophets on behalf of allah ruler of the universes

>>18661673
That's not what OP asked. Tell us what they REALLY believe.

>>18661790
The science also said that god isn't hecking real too!

>>18661647
>best
it allows men to have 4 wives and unlimited female sex slaves
>worst
circumcision

>>18662353
What about it? Its not really relevant to what I said, and frankly speaking those are pretty similar to low brow atheist critiques of Christianity. It just reeks of people who have never tried speaking honestly to a scholar of that religion.

>>18662499
>circumcision
Optional in some schools of thought.

>>18661673
Islam's straightforwardness can be alluring, the biggest problem with it though is how it tends to be simplistic. Like, there's a reason the older Abrahamic religions dismiss Islam as a giant misunderstanding of the tradition.

I dont even care about the religion, I wouldnt want to willingly affiliate myself with those sort of... people, you know?

>>18662357
Most Muslims are not Wahhabis. There's a lot of money being pumped into it by the Saudis, but even a lot of Muslims find the Saudi family to be non-Muslims or really bad Muslims at best. Most Muslims believe in a mix of their respective region's madhab and some Salafi method of justifying why.

>>18662854
I can agree to be honest. The way the Trinity is described in the Quran leaves me questioning it as a misunderstanding.

>>18662164
>>18662231
>>18662262
>>18662267

It's extremely rude to make four posts replying to one. And none of them address my point.

I asked how that's somehow something good about Islam. You said "Because there is One God".

It's circular reasoning. Why do you believe Islam is true? Because it has strict monotheism. Why do you believe strict monotheism is true? Because Islam says it.

You've merely tried to Texas sharpshooter one aspect of Islam that you see as distinctive. But even that is unsuccessful as it's not something unique to Islam. Jews, many Christian groups (Oneness Pentecostals, Iglesia Ni Christo, many Church of God groups, etc.), Deists, Jehovah's Witnesses, and many other religious groups meet what you would call strict monotheism.

>>18663027
my lord my God, this >>18662164 is a different person.
It wasn't posed as a proof of Islam. I don't enjoy wasting time with people who have, sorry to say, very underdeveloped cognitive abilities, to understand posts on a mongolian basket weaving forumn.

you can take the exchange as a win if that's your real aim here, because i don't necessarily care.

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>>18661647
mooooslimes fuck goats and says the koran supports it - you cannot make this stuff up

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/bestiality.htm

I can't post the image here tho top kek
http://4chansearch.com/?q=islam2+more%3Apol&s=1