Why did Ming or Qing China, where cannons were common, not into ravelin maxxing?
>>18665453Because Ravelins is what you do if you want to hold a fortress with a few thousand men. Something Changoid cities did not lack. With Chinese city walls (rammed earth in dressed stone) already good enough to withstand cannon fire, simply putting cannons on bastions was good enough for them.That said, the Changs did adopt some European fortification practices like outer bastions and redoubts. Beijing used to be surrounded by tinier artillery forts and redoubts like Dagukou for example.
>>18665453The ming did try building few bastions in early 1600s, they never really helped though. As for Manchus they had never faced any serious military threats until 1841
Aah yes, the famously intensive gunpowder army invasions of Chinese mainland.
>>18665453No need to max out on military tech when your only threat are internal peasant revolts and stone-age steppeniggers (they still somehow lose to these groups routinely)
>>18665637>internal peasant revoltsYou say that as if that is a minor issue
>>18665453Japan had star forts. This one was the site of the last battle of the Ezo Republic, crushed by Imperial Japan under Emperor Meiji and marking the end of the Boshin war and the start of the Meiji restoration and Meiji period. Seeing as it failed to withstand the Samurai, it is a worthless design.
>>186658261:4 odds against peasants is very favourable. Watch and learn from the Germans.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Peasants%27_War
>>18665859The eunuchs revolted and threw open the gates to Beijing in this case, leading to Chongzhen emperor hanging himself.
>>18665860>Eunuch revolts destroyed dynastiesNot a serious country. Were the emperors cucks? Like just send a bunch of knights in there and slaughter them nigga. What can they do?
>>18665866>What can they do?Open the gates to a horde of starving peasants
>>18665873So what? Just send the knights to deal with the peasants too. They're starving peasants with minimal training, how do pro militarymen lose to that?I think China is the only country where peasant revolt is a threat. Never seen any country like that, not even Korea or Japan is like that.
>>18665879America was a peasant revolt, kid. You need to be 18 and white to post here.
They did but the heaven punished them before they could further implement those concepts
>>18665859Unrelated to the topic at large but the "battle box" of the German Peasants War is for the entirety of the conflict, not just one battle, and includes the infamous penal actions undertaken by the princes - which mainly targeted non-combatants. Entire villages were wiped out.And since you brought up knights: those didn't play an essential role as by the early 16th century the professionalised infantry had taken the top position. Just a year prior to the Germany Peasants War several franconian knights rebelled as well and were crushed too by the modern army of the princes. >>18665908They were members of the gentry.
>>18665945What about the French revolution? Russian revolution? Kaga rebellion? Kakitsu uprising? The numerous other revolutions and revolts all over the fucking place by people of non-noble descent.>m-muh gentry!Yeah no shit the gentry are in on it with the peasants 90% of the time. Fuck off, kiddo.
>>18665974Nibba the gentry (in the context of Britain and its colonies) were either nobles or were so wealthy they were de facto nobles. The american revolutionaries were certainly not comparable to the chinese lower classes from the middle of the 17th century.
>>18665859>Götz von Berlichingen No imperial agent had enough balls to execute old Götz so they just let him walk lmao
>>18666110Wdym? He got summoned to the Imperial Diet of 1526 in Speyer and successfully defended himself there by depicting him taking up a leadership role as trying to prevent violent excess (it's debatable how much of a leader Götz von Berlichingen actually was for the rebelling peasants as at times he was also their de facto prisoner). Nonetheless he got ambushed by troops of the Swabian League in 1528 and was their prisoner until 1530. After that he had to swear a legally binding oath that essentially placed him under house arrest in his own castle and had to pay reparations towards the Bishops of Mainz and Würzburg.
>>18666375I'm surprised he even lasted long enough to be made "leader" (you're right, he didn't have any executive power, peasants did what they wanted). Dude had so many feuds to his name everybody in southwest Germany wanted his head. Still died in his bed like an absolute CHAD, iron hand nonwithstanding
>>18666575>Dude had so many feuds to his name Yeah it is really interesting. Iirc he got placed under the Imperial Ban twice and got captured and ransomed thrice. I suspect he survived because feuding (despite being outlawed since 1495) was still a common practice at the beginning of the 16th century and it was a "money glitch" with all the possibilities for ransom and extortion.
