Andrew Carnegie built 2500 libraries. The most beautiful public architectures in the world were funded with Billionaire and Noble money.I am writing this from a building donated by an old Political Dynasty.What has Jeff Bezoz, Bill Gates, and Elon Musk done for society except for Diddling kids, building vanity yachts, evading taxes, and other evil shit.Rich people used to commission and donate beautiful arts now they do that for literal shit smears.Rich people used to be useful, now they're pretty much a net negative to society
they saw the future of most western societies as a decaying spiral into brown slumdogmaxxxing and decided to spend their wealth on better ends than making more public libraries for homeless nogs and fent junkies to shit on the floors of
>>18665606These modern billionaires are the reasons for this slumdogmaxxing.Walmart pays people so little, they qualify for food stamps.Most people were incredibly stupid until the rich gave back to society. Europe used to be more uncivilized than Arabs and African until their rich decided they should help their fellow humans and invested into European society
Bezoz, Musk, and Gates have given literal billions or more like at least tens of billions each to charitable work.
>>18665834They got much of those billions from governments. Past oligarchs didn't.
>>18665865>They got much of those billions from governments.Prove it.
>>18665591Elon Musk unironically saved western civilization by buying Twitter and platforming right wingers again.Buying Twitter is the equivalent of funding ten thousand libraries in the modern era.
>>18665865And "Amazon didn't pay income tax" is not an argument. A lot of companies don't have income at any given year because their expenses (both capex and opex) equal or exceed the revenue.Furthermore the income tax didn't even exist when Carnegie was doing his thing.
>>18665621>Europe was less civilized than AfricaThis has never been true outside of Egypt. The greatest continental African cities were build of dirt stacked on dirt.
>>18665621haha fucking moron
>>18665876SHADDAP, sub-80.
>>18665884Bezos and Musk cash-in direct from contracts, in addition to tax breaks. You're barking at the moon, lad.
>>18665905Carnegie Steel did a lot of business with the US government.
It's kind of been replaced by the state and giga taxestaxes are used for public projects now
>>18665907No, not a lot. Some armor plate for warships, and they sued him hard. Not best buds, unlike Bezos/Musk and company.
>>18665916Also provided the steel for the railroads and other public works.
>>18665921The guy you’re arguing with is arguing in complete bad faith btw
>>18665921Railroad was private. Fine structural steel for architecture was also, and came along later.
Carnegie also had the state militia brought in to violently suppress union activity. Bezos has never militarily put down a strike. Why are le socialists suddenly enamored with him?
>>18665923No, I'm a professional engineer, and you're a chud.
>>18665925>Railroad was privateFinanced by government money.
>>18665926>Bezos has never militarily put down a strike.He has his govt buds do his dirty work, not much needed today.
>>18665928False. It was traded.
Hey, Carnegie stole, and bought politicians, sop in those days. Today, you chuds buy guys like him. Big difference.
>>18665591>What happened to Noblesse ObligeUnironically? We no longer skin and burn alive anyone who sins against God by hording earthly treasures beyond what is required for a modest and virtuous existence.
>>18665882>platforming right wingersKek, an extinct species, it's all globohomo all the time, lad.
>>18665947Remind me, when were any of the Medici skinned and burned alive?
>>18665952The threat of excommunicated was, for most, sufficient threat to stave off such sinful behavior. Being cut off from the body of Christ, in effect meaning having to survive as a pariah alone in exile was an effective death sentence. The fact that the body of Christ no longer answers to the roman church, or any church authorities is all the sign anyone needs to know they've lost the mandate of heaven.
>>18665954When were the Medici excommunicated for their wealth?
>>18665976What you're pointing out is evidence of the church having been corrupted, and it was, long ago. Today that corruption is even more undeniable.
>>18665591Marx warned youLenin warned youStalin warned youHitler warned youMao warned youGuenon warned youEvola warned you
>>18665989>richest people at the height of the churches power weren't skinned or burned alive or excommunicated for their wealth This is now your opportunity to list the rich people who WERE skinned and burned alive or excommunicated for their wealth
>>18666038>MUH BASED COMUTROON PHILOSOPHERSDead ideology lmao
>>18665834>be a billionaire >start a vague charity that actually does nothing >give salaried positions to friends and family >make an LLC that is indirectly owned by yourself to manage the organization >get a billion dollar tax break by “donating” a billion dollars to the charity (yourself) Truly a magnanimous act.
>>18665591There is no noblesse oblige anymore because there is no nobility anymore. We are ruled by greedy, mean-spirited, dysgenic gremlins
>>18665952The Medici were the personification of noblesse oblige. Why would the pope need to excommunicate or burn them alive?
>>18665591Education doesn't emphasize values, philosophy, religion, or a collective social foundation anymore.This creates elites that are profoundly autistic, only having keen insight in highly niche technical areas, with all other comments on society at large shocking the public with their stupidity. People in Carnegie's day were better read, more religious, and philosophy was less pigeon-holed.
>>18666164Because they had sinned against God by hording earthly treasures beyond what is required for a modest and virtuous existence.
>>18666164Lorenzo was excommunicated
>>18666197So was Friedrich II of House Staufer. Good talk
>>18666197Because?
>>18666213If anyones interested and still reading this thread, it was because he had brutally suppressed an attempted coup against him that had been supported by the pope who feared the Medici were becoming too powerful in central Italy, nothing to do with his wealth being sinful.
>>18665621elon musk made me overdose on fent in a public library or something
Because the racial quality of the average has degenerated so much and so many of the good Americans remaining have fled the cities that there's nothing Musk or Bezos could do to help. If they tried to build a modern Parthenon or Coliseum in the center of LA there would be mass protests to stop it. If they built a classical library it would become a rest stop for homeless people to shit their pants and die in. You people don't fucking understand what stage of history America is in. We are in that part of Finnish history where Cossacks were rampaging through the cities and everyone had to flee back into the forests and go feral. A lot of Finns probably sneered at the rural forest Finns for becoming so savage and uncivilized and told them "cmon bro just live in the city we've got wine bars and comedy shows and climbing gyms it's so lit!" But it wasn't lit, the cities were life-denying fertility shredders and the entire modern nation of Finland now descends from the ones who fled to the forests. That the modern state of America. Average whites cannot get a decent job and get married and raise a large family in the city. All the white men you see walking the streets of New York and Los Angeles, they'll get married at 34 and have one gay son, if they get married at all. They will never own a home. They are walking corpses. Even those white men are too spiritually crushed to want to change their cities. Do you think if the 5% of white men living in Los Angeles heard that Zuckerberg was building a new Colossus of Rhodes, that they would be excited? No, they would just wonder how soon it would be defaced or torn down and replaced with a taco stand
>>18665591It's a cultural difference. Carnegie came from actual poverty and worked as a 13 yo child laborer, whereas capital is so consolidated now that our billionaires started from cushy middle to upper class life (especially Musk and Bezos) without ever having to interact with real plebs. It would be like if Bezos got his start working in a midwest meat processing plant with illegals. It doesn't mean that they have solidarity with poor people but they at least spend their money in a classier way. Robber barons did all the crazy stuff they dreamed about as kids while billionaires live scaled up middle class american lifestyles, with the same boring lack of taste.
>>18666479But wasn't New York far more dirty and dangerous in 1900 than now? It makes me think that they had an interest in making it nicer because they had to live in it, whereas business and finance are much more mobile and liquid now.
>>18666479>i make shit money and get no pussyTruly an indicator of civilizational collapse
>>18666486Retarded fucking fantasy for so many reasons. 1. The overwhelming majority of business leaders and architects and painters and writers who built America and made it a great cultural center were at least bourgeoise, usually blue bloods, who never labored as children2. Bezos and Zuckerberg are NOT blue bloods, they are not aristocrats, their grandparents were not rich. They're not like the Roosevelt family where they've never once exposed to poverty. They were upper middle class but working at Walmart as children would not have changed their perspective in any wayI could go on>>18666503New York in the 20th century was one of the most gorgeous cities in the world and now it's an unpleasant miserable place>>18666507I'm acutely aware of these things because I have to live in one of these cities to make a lot of money, I'm speaking from experience seeing what is happening on the ground. A high IQ white or Asian dude who grew up in the suburbs moves to New York to work in finance/sweng, has a series of girlfriends in his 20s, gets married at 35, has one kid and no more, is never able to afford his own home in the city, his kid turns out to be gay or incel or maladjusted or maybe turns out to be normal but also just has one kid, that kid turns out to be gay, his lineage ends.
Zuckerberg and Musk are attention seeking freaks who are desperate for the public to like them. That's all they want, public approval. Their careers have made that obvious. If there was some sort of grand library or cathedral or citadel they could build to get people to like them, they would do it.The problem is the people, no one wants that stuff.
>>18666524>New York in the 20th century was one of the most gorgeous cities in the world and now it's an unpleasant miserable placeIn upper east side for sure, the other half of the city were industry and tenements. Madison Grant was already calling it a cloaca gentium in 1916. >Bezos and Zuckerberg are NOT blue bloods, they are not aristocrats, their grandparents were not rich. They're not like the Roosevelt family where they've never once exposed to poverty.They never lived in poverty and poverty in 1900 was far more serious than the 1980's.
