>2.5 million years of humans eating their own shit in caves>suddenly with little or no DNA changes civilization starts around 5,000 to 6,000 years agodo historians actually believe this?
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>>18665722>little or no DNA changes between early homo habilis and the OPThe quality of this thread suggests that this at least is quite accurate.
>>18665722Most people didn't actually live in caves. Caves just happen to be the places where signs of human culture survived time.
>>18665723So because Cro-Magnons shagged Neanderthals we are all sub-7 feet manlets?
>>186657302.5 million, 300k, the scale is still similar
>>18665785i think we just devolved, they were stronger and smarter
>>18665722Do you have a better theory?
>build a fire inside a cave>die of CO poisoning
>>18665722>civilization starts around 5,000 to 6,000 years agoYes. The earth is 6,000 years old.
>>18665789>stronger and smarter>couldn’t invent calculus in their 30,000 years of existence>no evidence they could squat 2pl8lmaoxd below parallelnah fuck deez niggas lol
>>18665924that's just the latest cycle>>18665903i'm not a scientist, i don't have theories, it just seems like lazy cope to me
>>18665924>The earth is 6,000 years oldWhy do so many Christians still believe this when it was just an estimate that St Augustine came up with 400 years after Jesus was born? It’s not like that estimate is canon, it’s not mentioned in the Old or New Testament. My boy Gus was just spitballing with the information available to him at the time.
>>18665999>i'm not a scientist, i don't have theoriesSo then what are you contributing to the conversation?
>>18665722No genetic change is necessary, homo-sapiens have not changed much since our Hunter-Gatherer days and we're all pretty much the same even today. What changed was that global climate stabilization entering the Holocene period following the Younger Dryas facilitated the flourishing of agricultural systems around the world at around the same time and the rest is history.
>>18666032just asking questions, man
>>186657221. Homo Sapiens are estimated to be around 200,000 - 300,000 years old, not 2,500,0002. There's a perfectly reasonable explanation for why civilization emerged so recently and it has to do with the climate becoming stable enough for practice sustainable agriculture3. Historians are primarily concerned with written history, they don't care about unga bungas. Archeologists and paleoanthropologists do.
>>18666099>>18666080that sounds like borderline climate change denialism
>>18665722It's because we came out of an ice age (it ended roughly 11,700 years ago and gradual warming continued for thousands of years). Climate zones shifted. Roughly 8000-6000 years ago Mesopotamia, the Levant and the area that is today Turkey were more fertile than they are now.
>>18666151No, it doesn't.
>>18665723he's a big guy
>>18666151It's pretty established that global shift in climate change enabled agriculture which lead to civilizations and the rest is history. actually, you'd be the one denying literal climate change
civilization is an accident, probably because we invented beerthere was never any "working towards it"
Humans scrounging around as small family groups is the norm for us. Consider that anatomically modern humans survived a hundred thousand years of ice age, apparently without large cities or advanced technology, just following herds of mega fauna around the fringes of uninhabitable glaciated wasteland. And we emerged from this ordeal as the dominant species on earth.
>>18666239>it ended roughly 11,700 years agoNo, that was the last glacial maximum, the last peak of the polar ice. We are technically still in the ice age, and won't be out of it until all the polar ice is gone. The current ice age has lasted 115,000 years, and was a lot milder than the one that occurred before it, if the ice core studies are to be believed. This indicates a very long-term warming trend, but also means that us leaving the current ice age might just be a brief respite (geologically speaking, for us it would be several millennia) before the next big cold snap, another hundred thousand years of ice.
>>18665722Humans were never cave dwellers
>>18666027Christcucks cling to a lot of things that aren't Christian. They're the most easily subverted morons in all of history.
people need to grasp that technological advancment was exceptionally slow especially during the stone age, humans don't instinctively know to craft stone tools, they had to be taught it, in other words it took multiple proto grugs to look at some other proto grugs fucking around with a big rock to get something, then notice that it could be chipped while it was being used to smash something else, and think maybe he could shape it into something, actually go through multiple versions of this until he found a working system, then actually be capable of passing this knowledge down, this is just for stone tools, anything more complex like proper agriculture, permanent buildings, etc you will need for a civlization will be even more complex along with requiring the right circumstances, sure once you had it and it spread the ball gets rolling hard but getting to said point is a massive undertaking especially when all the while daily survival was a challenge in of itself
>>18667353You should also understand that real life is not a paradox map game and progression is not linear or parallel with points going into tech trees. Civilization, technology, and sustenance are three entirely different things and believe it or not they don't progress in tandem. Extremely agriculturally advanced Stone Age societies, capable of supporting cities of tens of thousands of inhabitants, would live in latrine houses and torture each other and conduct human sacrifice and cannibal rituals. Hunter gatherers who lived in tents and wielded stone clubs conquered farming societies in Europe, and after that conquest, their technology somehow improved, the conquest was immediately followed by the construction of the European megaliths in Britain and France. And obviously the Indo-Europeans were probably one of the least sophisticated cultures of the early Bronze Age, their metallurgy was relatively primitive, but achieved everlasting fame, unimaginable to any of their more advanced neighbors, because they were able to make breakthroughs in organization and loyalty and governance
>>18667348>They're the most easily subverted morons in all of history.we had trannies taking over everything like 5 years ago, non-religious societies don't have a great track record dare i say
>When are you getting a job, anon? >It's only been 30 years... My DNA hasn't changed enough for me to learn something new Do retards genuinely believe this?
>>18665722>do historians actually believeisn't it what they get you to believe? anyway, what is found in caves is the stuff most likely to last. the stuff in the open, wood, leather, bones turns to dust readily. perhaps most humans never lived in caves. there's bears and snakes in there
>>18665723look at that chin, goddamn
We're still living in caves, it's just that we started building them
>>18667513Pictured: Scientific reproduction
>>18667515whoa
>>18665722>do historians actually believe this?No. Maybe 100 years ago they believed that. "Pre-history" is a spook as archeology continues to demonstrate. Human civilization (walled settlements) dates back over 10,000 years.
>>18665722civilisation arose with the interglacial of the holocene.most of the past 2.5 million years have been an intense ice age.
>>18667526there were some other peaks, maybe the monkeys did something interesting then too?
Kingship, civilization and taxation come from the heavens. Alien gods created humans to be their tax cattle. Then they left living them behind. Human civilization is just big cargo cult
