Meanwhile, the most influential Rome for Western and Islamic civilization were those 1,000 years of Byzantine empire>Western universities were founded in the image and likeness of the Imperial University of Constantinople, established during the 5th century in the reign of Theodosius II at the request of the Patriarch.>Hospitals were modeled after Byzantine cathedralician hospitals, of early Christian origin but lost in the post-Roman barbarian West.>Western chanceries were founded in the image and likeness of the Byzantine Chancery established by Constantine the Great.>Roman Ius which was not systematically copilated during Pagan times reached us through the work of the jurists who served the Christian emperor Justinian. Romanesque art, from which Gothic and, more directly, Renaissance art later derived, was an imitation of Byzantine architecture.>Western numismatics were just imitation of the Byzantine monetary system.>Byzantine patristic thought was extremely influential throughout Europe, to the point that quotations from these authors are found throughout the Middle Ages.>Classical pagan thought reached us thanks to the Greek monasteries of southern Italy, which for countless centuries had copied the works of the Church Fathers and pagan writers.>Humanism reached us through the Byzantine scholars who fled to Italy during the 15th century.>Medieval fashions in West Europe and the Arabdom were mostly a flat imitation of Byzantine fashions.etc.It's ludicrous to say that the only criticism that can be leveled at Byzantium for not having influenced the West more was at the level of great military victories and a well-known literature from the Pagan Rome, and even with this there were great generals, as well as the genre of the Byzantine novel which is a constant in universal literature.The whole western civilization is a ripoff from post-apocalyptic Barbaric ruled kangdoms of Byzantine institutions and achivements.
>>18669147>Christianity killed RomeIts all so tiresome.
>>18669147Who created the Byzantine Empire or where did it came from?, would it have existed without Rome?
>>18669147Stopped reading immediately. Universities existed before the Christian dark ages as did hospitals. You're probably brown like the other guy who complains that Arabs were erased from science when it was much of the ancient world that was erased to make the dark ages feel less dark.
>>18669159>Who created the Byzantine EmpireThe Christian Emperor Constantine the Great.>would it have existed without Rome?Rome was Christian for 1,000 years, the same amout of time it was Pagan and as already showed, these 1,000 years were the ones which influenced the Western nations the most at cultural, artistic, intellectual and institutional levels. >>18669165Universities didn't exist before the foundation of the Imperial University of Constantinople. There were other educative institutions. None of the gave high-level education, conducted academical research, and awarded its students with universally accepted academic degreesNeither the Hospitals, which were a creation of Christians. The very etymology of 'hospital' come from the Latin 'hospes', which means "guest" or "stranger", the place where Christians offered hospitality and shelter to travelers, pilgrims, or the poor. The first formal hospital was the Basilias (370–379 CE) built by Saint Basil of Caesarea in Cappadocia, considered the first major documented formal hospital, featuring separate buildings for the sick, lepers, and the poor, plus housing for doctors and nurses..
>>18669190You're wrong. Ancient academies were like modern universities in everything that matters and temples of asclepius were likewise hospitals.
>>18669190>The Christian Emperor Constantine the Great.Factually Theodosius the Great who oficially split the Roman Empire in the Western part which was destroyed by Pagan hordes of Turks and Germans. And the Eastern part which survived for another 1,000 years and was the quintessentil civilization of the Middle-Ages influencing Mahommedans, Westerners, Turkics and Slavs at their own image.Because that is another point, it was under the 1,000 years of Christian Rome that the Byzantines civilized the Slavs and created the cyrilic alphabet for them. And Turks from Balkans and Asia minor also became civilized by imitate the Romans.
saar christianity killed rome you must listen to the teachings of vishnu to save europe saar
>>18669202More Europen/aryan than your religin tho
>>18669202But first you must allow Vishnu's followers to move to your country, saar.
>>18669202Jeets don't care at all about Rome, and christcucks are the ones that want jeets to come to the west as long as they're Christian instead of Hindus. You know this thread has nothing to do with Indians, but you're a liar using your insults to derail the thread from the fact that Christians were never Romans, but destroyed Rome and they contributed nothing of value to western civilization. Also post dark ages Europe, ie high medieval from 1000 to the Renaissance mogs byzantrannies, just like the Renaissance and Enlightenment mogs the anti Roman Byzantrannies.
>>18669198Ancient academies and schools did not provide the specialized, high-level, state-backed education characteristic of universities. Instead, they were private institutions that did not grant universally recognized degrees. In contrast, a graduate holding a credential from the Imperial University of Constantinople possessed a qualification accepted across regions because monarchs, caliphs, and bishops trusted the institution itself rather than an unaccredited academy.Similarly, the temples of Asclepius were not hospitals. A hospital is a healthcare facility equipped and staffed to diagnose, treat, and care for the sick and injured. Historians generally agree that the first true hospital was the Basilias, a specialized healthcare institution rather than a purely religious entity.
The Roman Empire fell because like all ancient empires it depended on conquest and plunder for sustenance and finally ran out of stuff to conquer.
>>18669202Jeets are so disgusting
>>18669215They basically had all this stuff actually, Christians only added shitty theology to the curriculum.https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/16051
>>18669215>Instead, they were private institutionsCompletely depends. Many were funded by the city they existed in, or by elites who patronised it, which was in effect the same thing. The public and private spheres were almost one in the same, they weren't endorsed or condemned by the state. The University of Constantinople as in OP's post was funded by the state, with chairs that received a salary by the state. The only other directly funded schools I know of under the Romans were Law schools which were much like the University of Constantinople.
>>18669147The kingdom of the Greeks was not Roman. That's why we have the term byzantine to described them and that's why western Europeans crowned a new Roman emperor. As for influence, that also comes from the actual Roman empire. And from the authentic ancient Greeks, not their identity confused descendants. That's why advanced precursor civilizations are such an ingrained western narrative tradition that it borders on instinct. And, as has already been pointed out, essentially all of your claims are lies. The version of reality you are presenting either only started centuries after the kike was nailed to a stick. Or you are trying to claim that Romans were naked mud hut savages until the jews brought them civilization. In either case, your post is as judeocentric as the torah. No surprise then that you would like the oriental bastardization of Greek culture and assess what was truly Roman and European by looking to the opinions of non-Europeans.
>>18669233They did not.>Pour Émile Durkheim, la délivrance des grades distinguait fondamentalement l’université médiévale des institutions d’enseignement occidentales qui l’avaient précédée. Dès le Moyen Âge, la validation des compétences par les universités prenait en effet la forme d’examens réglementés, débouchant sur des diplômes dont la valeur était reconnue par les pouvoirs publics. Ce contrôle juridiquement certifié des compétences, transcendant le rapport personnel de maître à élève, fait ainsi de l’université l’un des premiers systèmes d’enseignement institutionnalisés, selon l’expression de Pierre Bourdieu.https://ihmc.ens.psl.eu/180906-examens-grades-diplomes.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
>>18669250Also, next time cite sources from recognized academic media instead of personal blogs that don't even cite their references.
>>18669214>high medieval from 1000 to the RenaissanceYou mean the extremely devout Christians that killed and died in droves for no other reason than the name of Christ?
>>18669147Based, Rome was a shithole
>>18669250Yeah maybe this stuff happened in the middle ages but it is not as significant as you think. The scientific revolution for example happened without any of this. And the middle ages were entirely unimpressive when it came to doing science despite all this stuff.>>18669253That guy does actually cite sources.>>18669254Which has nothing to do with the achievements of the Late middle ages, which were still inferior to ancient achievements.
>>18669265>nothing to do with So bad thing happens during Christianity = Christianity’s fault, good thing happens = nothing to do with Christianity (even though society was way more Christian for the good thing). Got it, saar>the achievements of the Late middle ages, which were still inferior to ancient achievements.Lol, the late middle ages far surpassed the ancient world in logic, mathematics, engineering, metalworking etc etc.
>>18669272>So bad thing happens during Christianity = Christianity’s fault, good thing happens = nothing to do with Christianity (even though society was way more Christian for the good thing). No, had things happen because of Christianity like thinking the earth doesn't move because so says the Bible, good thing happens in spite of Christianity even if Christians do it, such as scholasticism was good because they followed the Pagan Aristotle instead of the jew christ. Got it, saarLow iq dishonest ad hominem, jeets have nothing to do with this thread. You're just a liar>Lol, the late middle ages far surpassed the ancient world in logic, mathematics, engineering, metalworking etc etc.No they didn't.
>>18669272in fact the Renaissance happened mainly because people started realizing the classical philosophers weren't always correct and did have some erroneous ideas
>>18669299>No they didn't.The predominant philosophical trend during Modernity and Contemporary Era is Nominalism. A homegrown creation of the Oxfordian clergy, in rejection of the Aristotelianism and Platonic trends.>>18669301To start with, Byzantine scholars already challenged the authority of Aristotle. The Patristic author John Philoponus.Aristotle claimed that a moving object needs continuous contact with a medium like air to keep pushing it. Philoponus argued instead that an thrown object receives an internal, temporary for the theory of impetus that gradually fades out, foreshadowing the concept of inertia. Aristotle stated that heavier objects fall faster than lighter ones in proportion to their weight. Philoponus tested this observation empirically and argued that the difference in fall speed is much smaller than claimed, anticipating later views on gravity. Aristotle believed the heavens were made of an unchangeable fifth element called aether. Philoponus rejected this, arguing that celestial bodies share the same physical nature as earthly fire and ordinary matter. Aristotle taught that the universe had no beginning and is eternal. Guided by his Christian creationist views, Philoponus wrote extensive treatises arguing that an actual infinite temporal regress is impossible, meaning the universe must have a finite beginning in time.Christian philosophers quite advanced logics, grammar, philosophy, physics, etc. Even the first universal Encyclopedia was written by Isidore of Seville.
>>18669190>The Christian Emperor Constantine the Great.Did he conquered all the land or did he inherit it?
>>18669198You literally do not know what the university system is and why academic credentials being transferrable geographically is relevant.
Happened to the Ottoman Empire as well, ran out of stuff to conquer and declined from there.
