In the 1800s, the concept of grooming did not exist. Ancient Conservative Opponents to Women's Suffrage argued that Women were too immoral for Suffrage, citing Female Prostitution. Feminists invented the 'White Slavery' Conspiracy Theory where 'Evil Male Oppressors' were seducing Women into Sexual Immorality. Feminists used this Evil Male Oppressor Theory to empower Women, not just through voting rights & equal contractual rights, but also through Women getting the advantage/benefit of the doubt in terms of Divorce/Sexual Harassment Settlements & also in terms of Child Custody Battles. Before Feminism, Men received Custody of Children by Default, Feminism gave Children to Women by default. Feminists also hiked the age of c0nsent & ignored warnings from ancient conservatives who warned that by hiking the age of c0nsent, the door to blackmail operations was being opened via teens lying about age. Due to the silly 'women are grooming victims' narrative, the biological reality of puberty (instead of the 18/21 magical number) being the real adulthood age was ignored.Ancient Conservatives assigned Sexual Immorality to that of the 'Vicious Woman' in contrast to Feminists who claimed that sexually immoral females were 'Victims of Seudction' (Evil Men corrupting Women). Feminists claimed Women's Rights would increase Societal Sexual Morality, as evil men would longer be able to oppress Women. Given the Empirical Results of the Feminist Era & how it increased general sexual immorality, the Ancient Conservatives were correct.Under Ancient Conservatism, a teen prostitute, is a jezebel harlot that tempts a righteous man into acts of immorality. Harlots follow in the footsteps of Eve who ate the Forbidden Fruit & tempted Adam to do the same. Charles Darwin in the 'The Descent of Man' outlines how it is Females that are predominantly behind Sexual Selection across a large variety of Animal Species, including Primates & Humans, thus validating the Ancient Conservative Viewpoint
>>18671753So if I understand you correctly, you oppose women's rights and support pedophiles?I have no idea how chuds can expect to convince women to repeal their own suffrage.
>>18671753>>18671762The sources check out, see:"Victim of Seduction or Vicious Woman?: Conception of the Prostitute at the Philadelphia Magdalen Society, 1800-1850" -Rodney Hessingerhttps://journals.psu.edu/phj/article/view/25613/25382"Harlot or Heroine? Changing Views of Prostitution, 1870-1920" -LESLIE FISHBEINhttps://files.catbox.moe/red0lm.pdf"What Shall We Do with the Young Prostitute? ReformHer or Neglect Her?" -Anne E. Bowler , Chrysanthi S. Leon , Terry G. Lilleyhttps://files.catbox.moe/5ppjxr.pdf"They wanted to rescue women fromprostitution, and to admit prostitution’s victims into the salvation of good womanhood; but they clung fast to the idea that some kinds of sexwere inherently criminal, and they were confounded by the existence of unrepentant whores."Woman Suffrage and Women’s Rights -Ellen Carol DuBoishttps://files.catbox.moe/1z7xwh.pdfJeffrey used Teens that were lying about age as part of his blackmail operation. Look into the old 1800s/early 1900s debates regarding the age of consent hike. The Age was hiked by William Stead's propaganda as an example of his 'Government by Journalism' Concept, which is about controlling a government via propaganda. Stead cofounded the Round Table Movement/Milner Group alongside Cecil Rhodes.>That has been the chief argument advanced against raising the age of c0nsent. You get young girl prostitutes parading the streets; they get some man to accompany them; and he is thereupon threatened that, unless he pays over so much money as blackmail, he will be prosecuted for having accompanied the girl below the age of c0nsent. I do not think there is great fear of thathttps://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1917/feb/19/criminal-law-amendment-bill?https://historyandpolicy.org/policy-papers/papers/the-legacy-of-1885-girls-and-the-age-of-sexual-consent/https://worldhistorycommons.org/review-age-consent-legislation-texas
>>18671753Haha I visited this board after 6 months and see it's huge shit as usual Haha already fuck it into ground
>>18671753This is someone's son.
>>18671775OP's claims are well sourced & they are verifiable, from both the historical record as well as Darwin's Analysis of Animal Kingdom Biology.
>>18671788Are there any books on this topic that you'd recommend? I have a self-formed opinion on this that I haven't seen anyone else share yet, but I would like to do more reading on it to make sure I'm not retarded. I don't really find the OP convincing by the way if that matters.
>>18671945see>>18671774There are links to the pdfs of academic papers & books here.
ok
>>18671753what would happen if men were behind sexual selection?
>>18671762just forcibly take it away from them. what are they gonna do, beat us up?
>>18671753>In the 1800s, the concept of grooming did not exist.Assuming you aren't retarded, which is an assumption contrary to the evidence presented, I gotta remind you that politics belong to /pol/.>>18671774>In the 1800s>1800-1850>1870-1920The 1800s began with Jan. 1st 1800 and ended at Dec. 31st 1899 and "Seduction" clearly is use to describe grooming-practices by these texts. The concept existed, the idea that these women and girls might need help also existed.Heck, the notion that you shouldn't have sex with children or girls is even older than that.
>>18671786Cloud so lucky
>>18673058Yes, 'Seduction' existed, but the idea of Vicious Women including Teen Whores 'asking for it' also existed. Feminists promoted the idea that all women were victims, that's why they pushed to hike the age of c0nsent & gave women the benefit of the doubt in terms of sexual harassment/divorce settlements & also in terms of giving females default child custody. This was all done to counter the power of 'evil men'.
>>18673082>>18673058Understand the nuance, the ordinary teen whore was not considered a 'victim'. They were charged as adults for the crime of prostitution. 'Seduction' Charges were primarily applied to men that were fornicating with virgins. A man marrying teen female wasn't considered a 'groomer', because the concept didn't exist.
>>18673088>'Seduction' Charges were primarily applied to menSo...during the 1800s, men could be charged for practices that were literally identical to grooming, but grooming didn't exist during the 1800s in any way, shape or form?You have to go back. You have to go back.>>18673088>Understand the nuance, the ordinary teen whore was not considered a 'victim'. They were charged as adults for the crime of prostitution.That's because juvenile law and juvenile courts didn't exist and a teenage girl making a living as a prostitute would've been so poor that she would've gotten hammered into the ground in any common law court and then shipped off to Australia, yes.Which reminds me that you need to go back.
>>18673115Grooming as it's understood in the modern day treats all women as vicitims. Seduction Charges were only narrowly applied to Chaste Women.
>>18673115>>18673126The ordinary teen prostitute working in London or New York wasn't treated as a 'grooming victim'. They were treated like jezebel harlots in line with the ancient conservative understanding of women as the primary source of immorality & temptation going back to Eve eating the Forbidden Fruit & tempting Adam.
>>18673131>>18673126>>18673115Also, perhaps most notably, the old precedent of minors lying about age beind held liable for contracts was in effect. If you lied about your age to join the military/get married/be a prostitute, you were hence treated like an adult.
>>18673126>>18673131I don't care about your obsession with the females. Grooming was a legal category and a punishable crime during the 1800s. Call a spade a spade or go... *unalive* yourself, as you people say.Women are still punished for engaging in Prostitution in jurisdictions that criminalize the practice, the only difference being that teenage prostitutes fall under the regulations of juvenile law these days. Which also applies to boy prostitutes.In any case, your claim that "the concept of grooming did not exist" during the 1800s is refuted by your own sources and the changes in legal practice can easily be traced back to the emergence of youth courts and youth law rather than to your current year obsession with a current year term you learned the use of just yesterday.
>>18671762Who said anything about convincing women?
>Feminists also hiked the age of c0nsentpedo seethingIn the past society was extremely puritan and the family was a legal entity with a paterfamilias, usually a woman's father or husband. In Europe there were 2 prevailing patterns of marriage with the Anglos being the most stringent. Although serfdom had ended centuries earlier, the rural poor were dependent on the goodwill of their landlord for employment and/or tenancy, which may cease if they disapproved of a marriage or lack thereof when some girl got pregnant. Thus adults were under pressure to establish themselves before entering marriage, boys had to learn a trade and girls avoid rutting in the barley field with the first boy they meet. Marriage took place in their early or mid 20s.Those outside the Hajnal line would often see marriages in their late teens. It was not religion since many Catholics adopted late marriage. There were some "cultural" influences among the Andalusians and Sicilians who were once under Muslim control and the Slavs under the Tatar yoke, however the main factor seemed to be economics and the shift from small farms to landed estates. Having many children was certainly an advantage to a farmer, though not always, some Irish cottage farmer with a tiny plot of land divvied up among his brothers marrying at 15 and having 8 kids in sequence is going to cause problems, the father may even turn rebel in desperation during a time of hunger. There was also a eugenics aspect ensuring only healthy workers were reproducing.It is true many snaggletoothed peasant girls were prostitutes, but they often had many men before them despite what their pimp might have told customers and came with a serious risk of disease, which before modern medicine meant a lifetime of excruciating pain. The age of consent did not represent the typical age a girl lost her virginity, rather the minimum age at which it was shocking enough for the law to intervene, the extra sheriffs need to be paid after all.
>>18673134>If you lied about your ageEstablishing an undocumented person's age in court is still very challenging, and I recall that the English basically didn't give a fuck, granted that the girl was poor - Mars needs Moms and Australia can always take another whore.
>>18673011>>18673154Since women ever so slightly outnumber men and also have numerous male allies on the matter of women's suffrage, taking away their right to vote would require the overthrow of the democratic system itself. Otherwise, you and your merry band of misogynists can gatekeep a polling station for a little bit until squad cars show up and haul your little asses to jail, where they will be enjoyed by far stronger men.
>>18671753okay moid
>>18671753
>>18671753If you want a wife you should have to convince her father to give you his daughter. That is how it was for thousands of years until about 100 years ago, and everything is much shittier now that it isn't that way anymore.
>>18673145teen prostitutes/loose women were not considered victims, only virgins were. You ignore how the law was applied. The legal precedent in the 1800s reflected a lot of ancient law in which teens were considered adults.
>>18673160There's no record of the Western European Marriage Pattern existing prior to Feudalism. Feudal Marriage Taxes hiked the marriage age from the teens into 20s. Royals were exempt from the tax, so they continued to get married. Irish/Scottish Tribal Clans were able to resist feudalism in the Middle Ages & so they continued to get married as teens. It's been continuously legal for thousands of years for 16 year olds to get married in Scotland without parental consent, because 16 is the traditional age of marriage in Scotland.
>>18673231People in general didn't travel because it was dangerous to travel outside of large trading companies. Traveling Alone, especially for a Female opened the door to kidnapping/enslavement. If a Female was a known for being a harlot, she would be honor killed by her family for bringing shame. A woman having a child out of wedlock was liable to getting honor killed. Women were forced to behave because they lived in a dangerous environment.
>>18673145>>18673404Also, you can say that men crying about luring & seduction in the 1800s were proto-feminists, but they were generally ignored until the late 1800s.
>>18673404>teen prostitutes/loose women were not considered victims, only virgins were.Doesn't matter. The claim was that "grooming" didn't exist as a legal or discursive category. Spade's a spade.>The legal precedent in the 1800s reflected a lot of ancient law in which teens were considered adults.I already pointed that out, yes. It's not making your case of them foids and females being after you though, because juvenile courts clearly had more material influence on how teenage prostitutes were treated than that new word you're trying to apply it to as many sentences as possible.>>18673455Your sources point at a split and a controversy. Never mind that charitable institution for the salvation of prostitutes weren't exactly novel by the time Suffragist movement hit the scene. Mary Magdalene is a prominent biblical figure, after all.
>>18673513the proto-feminists backed proto-grooming theory based on protecting virgins, but it was not the mainstream opinion. grooming at large as a concept did not exist.
>>18673633They literally convicted people for seducing women, which is functionally identical to grooming. Just because they excluded victims among the poor, the non-virgins and the lower classes from seeking justice doesn't mean that the crime did not exist.
>>18673714They were proto-feminist simps that let the whores off the hook & their evil precedent led to the invention of feminism, I don't deny that. If they could've jailed men for having sex with the non-virgins, they would've done that too.
The only thing worse than the pedophile bots is the retarded and insane collective of camp followers they have. Just look at some of these fucking specimens, I mean really. >>18673178>>18673455
>>18673131>The ordinary teen prostitute working in London or New York wasn't treated as a 'grooming victim'. They were treated like jezebel harlotsOne of the most retarded things I have ever heard. Regardless of the historicity, this is probably one of the few cases where the woman actually was a victim. Reading this thread is giving me fucking vertigo man.
I do think the female suffrage is net negative on society, but the very notion of it getting removed in western society is laughably implausible. You'd need the society to genuinely collapse first
>>18671762>pedophilesah you didn't understand at all I see
>>18671775Whats wrong with the post?
>>18673006Likely nothing. There are tons of species that have choosy men its just the same thing but reverse.
>>18673088>A man marrying teen female wasn't considered a 'groomerto be fair hes not even in todays society. A groomer is someone who sets them up when they are young and raises them to be a mate. Just marrying a teen girl would make you a "pedophile" (thoigh I don't agree with that word usage)
>>18673131Only in america do people think prostitution is wrong. Rest of the world it is just low class, or failure as a woman.
>>18673163what race are you?
>>18673178to be fair this is just when they can legally have sex without their parents say so, lolberals are freaking out about them having sex with older men like 30s and 40s
>>18673215It honestly doesn't really matter. In america you vote for a representative not a policy.
>>18673231For 1000s of years a father had to convince YOU to take his daughter.
>>18673447I forget what book I read I think it was this one, or something to the effect of "life in the british middle ages" and one of the "myths" he addresses in there is travel. 1 he says many average people did it and the went really far usually taking lots of time 2 one of the noteworthy reasons he highlights is a lpt of people had to travel just to go to court and there were very few. This was for england only so I don't know how much this applies to europeans.
>>18674168bro one of those is a map just stating objective facts you're unhinged
>>18673886>They were proto-feminist simps that let the whores off the hook & their evil precedent led to the invention of feminismYou realize you are talking about Victorian era orphaned children that were, in all likelihood, press-ganged into a life of sexual slavery? I can understand maybe being a little upset with modern women and their general conduct, but this shit is downright malevolent. I don't even understand how someone becomes as evil as you are. It astonishes me.
>>18674505The population already has. Society is probably next.
>>18674255It really isn't. Adults aren't really having an easy time convincing teen girls to become hitmen or physical laborers. Once it comes to selling their bodies they're totally game. You honestly need to look at women more realistically.
>>18671753what a handsome young boy
>>18671762Just look at what's happening with Lindsay Clancy's case and how all women are defending the baby murderer and blaming the husband. All those women have the same right to vote as any other citizen
>>18674590In everybody's defense - the US has very obviously entered its Second French Republic phase.
>>18674590They're literally claiming that their hormones can cloud their judgement like any other mental illness in order to defend that baby murderer. I guess we need to bring Coverture back
>>18674590they're bad but not as bad as the people (mostly men) who defend launching a sneak attack against Iran and blowing up a school for little girlsat least Clancy can't walk anymore
>>18674649Those men are a minority, mostly MAGAtards, yet still not all of them since there were a big portion of them who were non-interventionist and have left the movement.Lindsay Clancy's case is something else, where pretty much all women, both liberal and conservative are defending her actions.
>>18674555In your mind, is there really, absolutely, no middle ground, between being a gay pedophile that advocates for the return of child prostitution and a male feminist. Are those the only two categories you have? Is this your final opinion on the matter?
>>18674550>>18674255>>18674555Prostitution is a job like any other. When the Age of Majority was formally set at puberty, this contradiction did not exist. The 18/21 Adulthood Age Concept is based on the Climacteric year concept from Greek Astrology. Pythagoras performed analysis on astrology (a part of astronomy before the modern era), numerology (a part of mathematics before the modern era) & mathematical patterns based on musical tuning analysis to state that 7 was a magical number. 3x 7 Climacteric Years = 21. That's the origin of 21 Age of Majority Theory. The Normans used Astrology to hike the Age of Majority to 21, previously, the age of majority was puberty in Britain. In regions of Britain governed by Celtic Gavelkind Law, the Age of Majority was 15, while parts of Britain governed by Saxon Germanic Tribal Law had the Age of Majority set at 12-15. The Age of Majority was later lowered to 18 due to the Vietnam War Draft Issue.
>>18675104true
>>18671762you lost tranny
>>18675104I understand you probably lack the necessary frontal lobe activity to process complex emotions, but you do realize how insane you sound to anyone that doesn't kill stray animals and consume terabytes of child porn, right?
>>18677881Your emotions are wrapped up in the value of a magical number sequence, because that's your actual religion. It is historical fact that your 21 age is derived from astrology & numerology. You refuse to allow criticism of 18 adulthood age theory the same way a Muslim refuses to allow criticism of Muhammad. Same Psyche Defense.
>>1867882018 is not a multiple of 7,
>>1867882016 is the age of post-pubesence and when the brain reaches adult level cognitive capacity. So yes 18 is heavily arbitrary, but the problem is, that you want to shoot well under 16. Also I don't know how are you going to pass this, with the age of majority more likely to be raised back to 21, with other youth rights like consent, driving, etc staying at 16.
>>18679131It became a new sequence of 6+6+6=18, the 18 adulthood age theory is the entire basis for the global surveillance/id verification/centralized database system in the name of blocking teens from being able to lie about age. Christians don't see the 'mark of the beast' in front of them.
>>18679238They can't hike the majority age without hiking the military enlistment age, the Establishment already lost that argument during Vietnam, meaning it's only going to shoot further down back into the realm of reality. 15 is mostly post-pubescent hence in an environment without a formal age of majority a la egypt & babylon, 15 is universally considered an adult. When an animal receives more adult-like traits it becomes an adult. This can also happen for some 13 & 14 year olds, hence how the old law was structured.
>>18679468It's rare to see someone as schizophrenic as you are. What happened in your life to make you like this? Were you molested or something? Are you that guy who was supposed to marry his next door neighbor and the eventual falling through of this engagement mind raped you to this extent?
>>18679709>SchizophrenicI'm pointing out that the 21 number is literally a schizo number derived from astrology & numerology using sources. Your ideology is schizophrenic & I'm shedding light on it.
>>18679468The mark of the beast is six hundred and sixty six, not “six six six”.
>>18680060Are you positive there was no life event or consequential choice that lead you down this path of numerological opposition to the age of consent? I'd be curious to know how someone gets as damaged as you are.
>>18680140Why are you afraid of the truth? Your entire 18 adulthood age theory is underpinned by astrology & numerology at the end of the day. If you dismiss astrology & numerology as invalid, your 18 adulthood age theory is equally invalid.
>>18680241It's not my theory, it's the position of western jurisprudence, and its basis is not astrological or numerological, rather it is informed by empirical studies, public policies, and legal definitions, including but not limited to: developmental psychology, compulsory education, and informed consent. I genuinely believe that you have long since lost the ability to comprehend right and wrong, let alone create any sensical argument for why you want child prostitution to make a come back, but I'll prompt you to a better line of conversation. Why do you care about casting doubt on the institutions that condemn you? You clearly lack the faculties to create anything coherent, and even more articulate pedophiles will lack the substance to create a compelling, sound argument for their fetish. So why bother with argument? It's not as if logical consistency is particularly important to you or even something which could ever work in your favor. You could just embrace being an amoral psychopath. It would probably save you a lot of grief too.
>>18671753The modern day concept of grooming where anyone older than 25 dating an 18-20 year old or someone waiting until someone else is 18 being classified as "grooming" is a very recent phenomenon. Only in the last 6 years has this become a thing
>18673183(Not even worth a you)Why are feminists and their simps so obsessed with male-on-male prison sex? Seems lowkey gay.
>>18680556You can blame zoomers for that and their neo-Puritan moralizing.
Sad to see this topic devolve into nonsense screeching of feminism and induce a fellow member into acute levels of schizophrenic delusion over numbers. That is just what retards do to other retards.>>18680544>even more articulate pedophiles will lack the substance to create a compellingWhat's the most articulate pedo argument you've come across? I remember hearing about French philosophers in the 70s or 80s making some arguments, but I haven't come across any reading material for it.
>>18680675>I remember hearing about French philosophers in the 70s or 80s making some argumentsThey claimed that their ability to not get charged for raping minors was a great leap for the mental and legal liberation of mankind. The argument was basically that all legal protections and restrictions put on minors should gradually be removed or at significantly least softened in the name of freedom and/or liberty.An argument from the 1900s-1910s I've read was about platon's paedagogic eros. Came down to that you could not expect teachers to put in the effort if they couldn't also fuck their students.Which is funny, when Socrates explicitly says that he's probably the only one in the room who does not want to fuck the boy.Older, more international argument came down to: "14-16 is when the foid peak and when the brats are kinda erotic and lewd."
>>18680544>>18675104>It's not my theory, it's the position of western jurisprudence, and its basis is not astrological or numerological, rather it is informed by empirical studies, public policies, and legal definitions, including but not limited to: developmental psychology, compulsory education, and informed consent.All of that is incorrect, the original law in the West, as I showed you, set the Age of Majority at puberty until the Normans used a concept from astrology to hike the age from puberty (12-15) to 21. Everything else you are describing is a silly appeal to authority argument based on cherrypicking. There would've been no basis for compulsory secondary education had the Age of Majority not been hiked above puberty to begin with, so ultimately it all goes back to the 21 magical number, a series of 3 7s. No, the father of Psychoanalytic Theory is Sigmund Freud, who says that one is fully developed mentally by puberty. Ancient Law in conjunction with Biology which dictates that puberty is adulthood in conjunction with psychoanalytic theory all hold puberty as the adulthood age. The studies that talk about '15 year olds being damaged' also note that '18 year olds are also damaged', meaning it's just a silly arbitrary number.
>>18680675>schizophrenic delusion over numbers.Because the Age of Majority was in fact hiked to 21 using a schizophrenic number sequence, it's called a 'Climacteric Year'. That's how stupid & silly your belief system is. The French Intellectuals started their crusade questioning the 18 adulthood age in the 1970s because the Age of Majority had just been dropped to 18 from 21 because of the influence of the Vietnam War Draft Issue, so they were questioning the specific basis for 18 being the adulthood age & why not a lower age, & no one could give an objective answer, since 18 is just an arbitrary number backed up by appeal to authority arguments. 'Don't you dare question 18, we don't have to explain ourselves to you'.You are behaving no differently with '18' than a Muslim that refuses to question Muhammad.
>>18680571>>18680556They grew up in an ultra-safe bubble environment & the reality is that the 'muh safety of minors' argument is a hoax. These people will refer to 30 year olds as 'victims' with a straight face. It's about who has the better 'I'm a victim, save me, argument', which feminists take advantage of to empower women over men.Back in the old days, when there were no enshrined protections for women & the world was a dangerous place to travel around in, women had to rely on men for protection & as a consequence, they were forced to behave better.
>>18680718>your belief systemI have my own beliefs on it. I do think the number arbitrary and wrong, but also that it has served a net-good in society. I'm this poster for reference >>18671945. Frankly, I'm going to ask you to stop rambling and just list what sources inspired you to this position as I don't think you're necessarily doing a good job in persuading people. Pretty interesting schizobabble though I'll give you that.>>18680688You got two dubs in a row, checked.>in the name of freedom and/or liberty.I mean sure, I could imagine this being agreeable for most ages like 21, but how did they address the societal problem of grooming or the idea of one's psychological capability to consent? Like for example, I think that even 18-year-olds can be groomed but most would counter-argue with "at least they could consent" or something along those lines.>paedogogic erosI feel like historical pederasty is a whole other topic. The ancient Greeks and Medieval Arabs both had pederasts but I don't think either society even acknowledged the possibility of heterosexual pedophilia in whatever records we have of them. The Medieval Arab pederasts had a funnier argument by the way: They thought boy-loving is a pursuit of intellect because heterosexual desires are primal in nature, so the inclination toward boys is the result of being a learned individual.>14-16Do you disagree with this minimum age range? Isn't it more common in the world than 17-18?
>>18680751>but how did they address the societal problem of grooming or the idea of one's psychological capability to consent?They denied they existed and insisted that kids want to be sexed up and would be getting down nasty left and right if not for society.>historical pederastyHistorical pederasty was hardly ever related to that argument ad pedagogic eros at all. Usually it was patrons demanding sex from dependents and adult men engaging in sex with teenage boy that were their social inferiors within the age AND class structure of their society. What Platon described, on the other hand, were boys from elite families having sex with men from elite families.>Do you disagree with this minimum age range? For countries that set it that low, it's the minimum age range for when we think that teenagers on average will express legit, developmentally appropriate interest in engaging in sex rather than the time you should start plucking the peaches. 14-21 year olds absolutely still are not adults yet and an adult should not try to fuck them, IMO.
>>18674678most women think like a hive. though I've seen a decent few push back against Lindsay, but then again I'm only friends with two women on social media, both of which are wives of close friends.
>>18680801>-21 year olds absolutely still are not adults yet and an adult should not try to fuck them18-21 is a young adult and completely fine to sleep with or date.
>>18680751Just search for 'Climacteric Year' & 'Grand Climacteric Year' & Pythagoras' theory of 7 in number symbolism. Astrology was a branch of Astronomy & Numerology was a branch of Mathematics until the modern era. Pythagoras used his analysis of astrology/numerology & of numerical patterns he discovered in musical note tuning to establish 7 as a symbolic number.A 'Grand Climacteric Year' = 63 as in 7x9 based on Augustus assertion that a 63 year old man had a high chance of death. It is all astrology/numerology/superstition.
this >>18673160pedophilia is a brown thing, aryans are not pedophiles, maybe blacks too with their admittedly noble obsession with fat asses, though black people rape everything in general and sometimes children are in their path so they don't get off that easy
>>18681164Germanic Anglo-Saxon Tribes set the Age of Majority at 10. There is no record of the Western European Marriage Pattern existing prior to Feudalism. There was a Feudal Marriage Tax for serfs that wanted to get married, hence the hiking of the marriage age. Royals were exempt from the tax & continued to get married as teens, as did traditional tribal clan societies like Ireland & Scotland that resisted Feudalism. It has always been legal going back thousands of years for 16 year olds to get married in Scotland without parental consent, because 16 is the traditional age of marriage in Scotland."The silence of the Saxon sources in this respect gives, at the outset, a strong presumption that already from the first the father's power in Saxon England was assimilated to guardianship, and ended like it when the son attained majority; and evidence is not lacking to make this presumption a certainty. The period of majority in Anglo-Saxon law was first fixed at the completion of the tenth year; but, later, the period of dependence was lengthened to twelve years. Even this came in time to be regarded as too early an age to assume the responsibilities of manhood, and the later law shows a tendency to prolong the period to the completion of the fifteenth year, though there is no sufficient evidence that this ever became law in the Saxon age. Throughout Norman times, however, and still in the time of Glanville, this was the age of majority for all except those holding knight's fees. For these the Normans had introduced the period of twenty-one years.https://www.google.com/books/edition/Essays_in_Anglo_Saxon_Law/KDsLAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22anglo+saxon+law%22+%22kent%22+%22majority%22&pg=PA161&printsec=frontcover
>>18680713>There would've been no basis for compulsory secondary education had the Age of Majority not been hiked above puberty to begin withHuh, so a net positive public policy which ensures children are able to pursue post-secondary education, according to their means, needs to be rewound so you can call yourself a child of the night? Really compelling stuff anon. There are plenty of easier angles of attack against compulsory public education. Even ones where you could maybe conceal your intention to get rid of it for the purpose of nailing kids, but I guess that's a bit too heady for you.>No, the father of Psychoanalytic Theory is Sigmund Freud, who says that one is fully developed mentally by puberty.Sigmund Freud, while influential, is not the end all be all of psychoanalysis, nor was that the field of study which I mentioned. Anyone, however, can fairly easily debunk the claim that full cognitive development is achieved at age 14, by their own personal experience of being 14.>Ancient Law in conjunction with Biology which dictates that puberty is adulthood in conjunction with psychoanalytic theory all hold puberty as the adulthood age. Restating your schizobabble again? I'm fairly certain even people who might agree with your ends would want to do some damage control at this point. >The studies that talk about '15 year olds being damaged' also note that '18 year olds are also damaged', meaning it's just a silly arbitrary number.It's almost like the psychological harm of abuse is persistent, and 18, if anything, is an arbitrarily low number for preventing harm. Fortunately for you, preventing harm is not the only goal of setting an age of consent. Given this compromise, you can fairly easily find people who essentially have the cognitive capacity and physical characteristics of post-pubescent children, it wouldn't even be prohibitively difficult, they are all over college campuses.
>>18681373The 21 age is derived from astrological schizobabble, you are projecting the silliness of your own belief system, thus proving it as illegitimate. You can say that anyone of any age is a victim, you are drawing a magical number derived from astrology to at the end of the day to define adulthood & you are building after the fact justifications for it using cherrypicking. If 25 is the human physiological peak, why don't you hike the age of majority to 25? Because it's not about that, it's about a magical number. 70 year olds have reduced physiological faculties next to 16 year olds, so 16 year olds objectively have contractual capacity than 70 year olds do. Without a formal age of majority, the majority age defaults to puberty (13-15) as seen in Ancient Egyptian/Babylonian/Judean Law where a formal age of majority didn't exist. In such a natural environment, a 70 year old is far more likely to disqualified of legal capacity for cognitive capacity reasons than a 16 year old is.
>>18681395So your position is that you don't want an age of consent period, and you believe that this will cause the age of consent to informally default at 13-15, which, if my clock is set right, would include many children going through puberty or just entering it, and also technically be unenforceable on account of its informality. Wow anon! Am I next gonna hear that all those 12 year olds who bothered to make eye contact with you at the grocery store, before their parents worriedly rushed them away, were practically begging to be molested? You argue people down piecemeal on the idea that each step of x years is insignificant relative to the age ahead of it until you arrive at your final position, which is no lower limit. It's obvious that pretty much every other element of your argument is superfluous to this, so I guess I would ask why you are trying to deceive people? You won't get very far assuming this level of credulity from people who, if they are of quality, are predisposed to find everything you say horrific.
I've rarely seen this much cope posting from a single chomo before. Its pretty funny.
>>18681422>are predisposed to find everything you say horrific.That's the entire point, people that don't trust biology, historical precedent & freudian psychoanalytic theory invent arbitrary concepts to justify an arbitrary 18/21 age that's ultimately based on astrology & numerology. 15 is formally the Age of Majority under Zoroastrian Law, which is blessed by God via God blessing Cyrus the Great. That's as much as the Bible speaks about any type of Age of Majority. It's either blessing no age of majority (ancient judean system & also the quran does the same with the islamic sharia system that the taliban implements) or the zoroastrian age of majority (15).
>>18681434Taliban wiped out 18 magical age theory in Afghanistan, they implemented Sharia where Puberty is the Adulthood Age. USA & USSR, the 2 superpower nations advocating for 18 adulthood age theory, were defeated.
>>18680675>What's the most articulate pedo argument you've come across?It essentially boils down to "I don't care. I'm going to do it anyways. Try and stop me". Egoism is not a sustainable practice to base a legal system around, but in the case of an individual intelligent enough to get away with it, you can't really tell them not to do it and pretend like that means anything. At a certain point you have to stop viewing these individuals as the problem, rather they are a symptom of it. It is your fault for not creating a society which discourages the behaviors you find to be distasteful. If someone wants to fuck teenagers and you tell them not to, but then you host uncountable terabytes of pornography which deliberately sexualizes the characteristics of teenagers, you are part of the problem as much as the person who wants to bang a 13 year old. I personally believe these behaviors are deliberately encouraged because they make a civilization base and easy to exploit, so I don't have any pity for people that fall into this trap, but why bother with killing them when you can instead target the places that make them?
>>18680675Take the guy who made this thread, for example. If he went 6-8 months without making himself cum super hard to femboys, as seen in the OPs image, he probably would forget all about his schizophrenic rationalizations for pedophilia. He easily forgets which point he is making, even between posts. These people are weak and simple minded, any argument they can hope to craft will be, at best, an intellectualization of a base desire. Remove them from temptation, and they will be delivered from themselves.
>>18671753>another AOC threadlove this board
>>18681554I gather he must be in favour of deportation to Australia.
Age of consent is a meaningless basedence fabrication which does not correctly represent the soul's encounter with Beauty.
>>18681572It's one of the great questions of our time
>>18681539>It essentially boils down to "I don't care. I'm going to do it anyways. Try and stop me". Egoism is not a sustainable practice to base a legal system around, but in the case of an individual intelligent enough to get away with it, you can't really tell them not to do it and pretend like that means anythingCorrect, this argument infurates pedo hunters more than anything else, when they get 'pedos' they are unrepentant & tell them to go to hell.Pedo Hunters themselves are operating on the basis of an appeal to authority argument & literally call in the police themselves to catch the perp, but if the perp says 'I don't care about the police', there really isn't anything that can be done.The entire basis for 18 adulthood age theory is purely an appeal to authority argument to begin with & ultimately 18 derives from the 21 adulthood age idea, which is derived from 7th climacteric year astrology, not biology or science.
>>18681554>He easily forgets which point he is making, even between posts.No, OP is been fairly consistent on every point, which is about 18/21 being an arbitrary number derived from astrology, which is true. You don't deny the origin of the 21 number yourself, because you know it's arbitrary, but now you know it's even more arbitrary than what you previously thought & that it's actually an astrological/numerological sequence of numbers of 7+7+7=21.
>>18671753You've got to draw the line somewhere, and most people would rather set it too high than too low, even if it upsets ugly chomos trying to make up for their missed youth by fucking 13 year olds
The age of consent is jewish propaganda to make white people go extinct it's literally that simple
>>18681975>Pedo Hunters themselves are operating on the basis of an appeal to authority argument & literally call in the police themselves to catch the perp, but if the perp says 'I don't care about the police', there really isn't anything that can be done.I mean you will go to prison if you ever try and molest a child. You will also likely die in prison if you ever go there. You are definitely not part of the elite pedophile cadre that can evade capture. I just view the sorry state of people like you as a symptom rather than the actual problem. You are clearly severed from reality and I don't hold you fully responsible for your actions.
The medieval knighthood/squire majority age of 21/14 is derived from the astrological/numerological concept of the 7th climacteric year of 7+7+7=21, medical doctors used every 7th year to make diagnoses & didn't stop at 21. It's Pythagorean numerical symbolism, Pythagoras' analysis of astrology (a historical branch of astronomy), numerology (a historical branch of mathematics) & musical tuning (pythagorean tuning) led him to conclude that 7 was an important symbolic number. The Grand Climacteric Year was set at age 63 based on Augustus' claim that age 63 (7x9) was a high risk chance of death for an old man that survived his 50s. 'Seven stages of human life according to Hippocrates' notes a fully mature man at age 28 in alignment with the principle of 7 as a magical number & 7 recognized planets in antiquity r.e astrology. Original Psychoanalytic theory per Freud sets the mental maturity age at puberty, confirming the animal kingdom's instinct as well as the historical human instinct in ancient societies to set the age of majority at puberty. The idea of 18/21 as an age of majority is a superstitious one, it's not scientific at all. The modern justifications for 18/21 amount to roundabout appeal to authority arguments based on the historical 18/21 system that was built on astrology & numerology. The Chomsky Hierarchy proves that Language itself is based on an Automata Structure that functions in a manner identical to that of Cellular Automata & Laws are Recorded Linguistic Mechanisms to resolve disputes, so Automata is part of the Law. Evidence of this is the fact that a simple ambiguously worded law can determine who wins a legal dispute on a technicality. Per Cellular Automata Theory, Complex Patterns have simple initial starting patterns, so however you cut it, given that there is no objective scientific evidence for the specific 18/21 numbers, you are using a starting pattern derived from astrology/numerology, pure superstition, rather than mathematics or science
>>18671774There is no elite pedo conspiracy. The elites themselves invented the conspiracy when they hiked the age above puberty. 1800s/early 1900s opponents to the age of consent hike warned that hiking the age would lead to blackmail operations due to teens & people in their early 20s looking alike. Jeffrey/Mossad used teens that lied about age to blackmail targets. It was William Stead's Antics that lead to the hiking of the age of consent, he created 'Government by Journalism', he predicted the rise of America in the 'Americanization of the World' & it was Stead who suggested to Cecil Rhodes that the Capital of the British Empire be moved to Washington DC after Britain united with America to create a greater Anglo-American Empire. This is written in Carroll Quigley's Tragedy & Hope.>>18682018
>>18671786>This is someone's son.>post a skinny female usually a cosplayer>insinuate she's a tranny/femboyWhat mental illness causes this? Is it some 5D avant-garde zoomer fetish anyone who wasn't raised on internet porn will never understand?
An example of the silly hysteria of 18/21 is the fact that it has always been legal for 16 year olds to get married in Scotland without parental consent, despite the fact that 16 is the Age of Majority in Scotland, there are very limited instances of 16 year olds actually running off to marry 40 year olds as the hysterical 18 adulthood theorists like to suggest. Hysteria to justify a number is form of appeal to authority propaganda. Feminists made a push to hike the age of consent to 21 & they succeeded in some jurisdictions like Tennessee, but the Vietnam War Draft Issue resulted in the Age of Majority getting lowered to 18, which resulted in the simultaneous lowering of the Age of Consent to a maximum age of 18, much to the feminist chagrin.Here it is, Tennesee Legal Code from 1917.https://www.google.com/books/edition/Thompson_s_Shannon_s_Code_of_Tennessee_1/mxFOAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=6456See also, LEDBETTER v. STATE, 184 Tenn. 396 (Tenn. 1947)The Age of Consent was 21 in Tennessee.
There are numerous diagrams from the middle ages regarding the 'ages of man' concept, which is ultimately derived from hippocrates, who used a 7 year designation to demarcate each age branch, the 7 year number goes back to the Pythagorean consensus of 7 being a significant number based on astrology/numerology & musical tuning analysis. This is how Knighthood was structured along the lines of a series of 7s & this is formally outlined with the climacteric year concept. This thinking shows you that the 21 Age of Majority, which is derived from Knighthood, is ultimately derived from astrology & numerology.
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>>18680801>14-21 year olds absolutely still are not adults yet and an adult should not try to fuck them, IMOI think adults could fuck them in a moral manner, but I feel like on a societal scale it has been shown that it is far better to bar adults from these younger ages. I hate how manipulative these cross-age relationships tend to get, and every pedo I've seen that got baited by hunters on youtube seemed to be manipulative pricks. I think on a tribal scale, it was far better perhaps, ignoring the tribal cultures that are harshly patriarchal of course.>>18681539>It essentially boils down to "I don't care. I'm going to do it anyways. Try and stop me".Basically a "might makes right" rapist kind of deal? Not really an argument honestly, and they have the least of the might in today's society if they don't belong to the elite. Have you never come across a pedo arguing that kids could consent? >>18681554>femboyThat's a boy?!!
>>18683688>Not really an argument honestlyIt is the more self aware option, even if it isn't strictly speaking an argument. >Have you never come across a pedo arguing that kids could consent?I'll go ahead and preempt you on this one. https://leadershipcouncil.org/the-rind-study/#But even in the case where you could accept the findings of any such study, the weight of several different fields of research would also need to point in that direction, which it does not.
>>18683781>rind studyI had forgotten about this for a short while, but I've made a post about it in the past >>18426784There are later studies that match Rind et al's result, despite Rind et al's shitty methodology. Your source says there are three other meta-analysis studies that contradict this however, but I can't find them on the page.If you read into other studies however, the results, even if true do not really paint the full picture. Sexual abuse (or just "sexual relations" if you're of that opinion) is often accompanied with other forms of abuse or neglect, and the last research I've read admits that there is still work to be done here to get better data.https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S2215-0366(19)30286-XI personally think that it is evident that some people do go away from their childhood events of this kind and not feel that it was abuse per se, albeit I have mixed thoughts about my own childhood experience. >But even in the case where you could accept the findings of any such study, the weight of several different fields of research would also need to point in that direction, which it does not.Different fields? Like psychological analysis beyond just observing the victim's life outcome (like checking if they have PTSD) and their opinion on the sexual abuse?
>>18684435>Different fields? Like psychological analysis beyond just observing the victim's life outcomeYou would need, at the very least, several decades of work in study from psychology alone, then you would need to find evidence which calls into question the methodology of research which identified the negative neurobiological outcomes. Proponents of the Rind study argue it does just that, I'm less convinced. >Rind et al. made numerous errors in reporting and analyzing data. Almost every error served to minimize the harmful effects of sexual abuse. For example, Fishman (1991) was an unpublished study of male college students for which Rind et al. (1998) reported mainly positive or neutral reactions to child sexual abuse. Rind et al. also reported an overall result for Fishman which suggested that abused males were better adjusted than nonabused males. However, when we examined Fishman’s dissertation, we found that results which Rind et al. reported were in direct contradiction to the results reported by the author. Fishman clearly stated that abused males scored lower on measures of adjustment than their peers: “Students who disclosed such a sexual event (versus those who did not) were more likely to . . . identify higher levels of sexual dysfunction, and lower levels of sexual self esteem” >Rind et al. often failed to report important qualifying data. Rind et al. accurately reported Urquiza’s (1989) findings that most of the males in his study reported neutral reactions to their abuse, however, they failed to note that the men’s subjective perceptions did not correlate with their results on objective measures.
>>18673404True, but it changed with the massive rise of the new urban lower class and criminality, prompting many impoverished girls into poverty. This is what motivated the societal acceptance that the age of consent should be raised. >>18674550
>>1868139521 is not derived from astrology, you're seeing things. For example, in Austria-Hungary, for many, the age of majority actually was 24. The origin of these junctions has to do with vocational, and property considerations.
>>18685262prompting many impoverished girls into prostitution*
