Today we're taking a look at Alexander III of Macedon, better known as Alexander the Great. Alexander the Great (7/20/356 BCE - 6/10/323 BCE) was the king of Macedon and ascended to the throne at the young age of 20.Some notable feats or facts include>Son of Philip II>Tutored by Aristotle as a boy>Created the largest empire in the world at the time, record held until Genghis Khan. Hilariously good military commander. No known major losses. >Believed himself a deity. Developed megalomania towards the end of his life. Seemed to be good, or at least attempted to be good, at about everything. >Possibly gay. >Had a horse named Bucephalus which he named a city after.>Founded around 20 Alexandrias. Number may have actually been much higher.>Conquered the Balkans, Thrace, Illyria, Greece, and destroyed Thebes.>Invaded Persia and conquered Asia Minor. Destroyed the Achaemenid Empire>Invaded India but had to turn back due to mutiny>Died in Babylon on the way back under unclear circumstances. Possibly poisoned. >Death caused the disintegration of the Macedonian Empire and the beginning of the Hellenistic Period.>Became THE guy to which all Greeks and many others after them would compare themselves to military>The Alexander Romance was the most popular novel in the world during antiquity, only behind the Bible. Discuss the the dude who though he was a god.Also, to the anon who suggested George Mason in the last thread and to other anons as well, I am taking requests for future threads. I do have a list in no particular order, but I'm alright with adding more to it. Yesterdays Thread: >>18676827
I hate how pathetic white racists claim he was blonde. At least most of the world still is sane and recognizes Alexander was a dark haired man, a Mediterranean man perfectly in line with Mediterranean genetics. But boy, is that loud racist minority of worthless nerds so fucking annoying, there has never been a good blonde leader in history, even Hitler was dark haired, they are desperate for a good blonde leader and they try to taint Alexander
>>18678722The most famous son of Heracles, the true people of the Lion.
>>18678740>muh ai told me so
I hate how pathetic brownoid racists claim he was contaminated by the dark taint of hell-spawned demons. At least most of the world still is sane and recognizes Alexander was a white man, a European man perfectly in line with European genetics. But boy, is that loud racist minority of worthless shit-skins so fucking annoying, there has never been a good brownoid leader in history, they are desperate for a good shit-skin leader and they try to taint Alexander.
>>18678747>AI is racist against shit-skinsgood
>>18678722Another based bi boi conquerorHadrian, Trajan, Alexander, Basil
I hate how pathetic the hell-spawned retarded poster is, he truly is a hell-spawned retarded individual tainted by demons. At least most people are still sane and ignore him like the hell-spawned retarded racist boy he is. But boy, is that hell-spawned retarded poster annoying, and it's sad to look at him, a truly mentally ill individual, trying to interact with the board in real time thinking his posts are coherent when they are not. Every Black and Brown man is above him
>>18678847You are a dark hell-spawned demon that belongs in hell because whenever your kind are allowed in they destroy civilization.
>>18678722>Created the largest empire in the world at the time, record held until Genghis Khan. Hilariously good military commander. No known major losses.Alexander conquered places that mattered though, populated, rich and developed. 75% of the Mongol Empire was empty frozen wasteland and deserts with no human settlements.
>>18678847You're brown
>>18678722>Created the largest empire in the world at the time, record held until Genghis Khan.Wrong. It was 5,200,000 km2 at its greatest extent, while Achaemenid at peak was 5,500,000 km2A simple search already shows you Pontus was never a part of it.
>>18678722>Drinks too much wine and dies like a drunken asshole because he's le sad he can't conquer the entire planet.>Collapses his entire civilizationbased delusional retard
>>18678828GAY NOT BISome people fixate on hair and eye color, some of us on sexualityDude was gay and likely the bottom most of the timeOne day I will be able to enjoy history fully without being caged to a particular topic
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>>18678722>expansion in the east finally over after a munity>but nope can't take the safe, same route home or else it will look like I am retreating>march south and unnecessarily clash with pajeet tribes who were fighting each other beforehand>take an arrow to the lung and spend days on death's door>march through a desert to either prove he's better than cyrus the great or to punish his men for their mutiny, losing up to a third of his armyThis guy was just going to keep testing his luck in the most insane, perilous situations forever and zeus spared him the embarrassment of dying unceremoniously in some arabian shithole by giving him a fever in babylon.
>>18678722Also might have a hand in his father's assassination due to the threat of being replaced by a full blooded macedonian heir
>>18678735Die brapzillian macoco spick rapebaby
my ancestor :)
>Get out of my sun, lad!
>>18678735The difference is in first hand historical accounts to later historical revision. Most the nobility of the Greeks is also described as Blonde, tall, etc. Nothing about this taints Alexanders image, it is simply operating off of different evidence that "Modern Archeology" often fails to account for.>>18678750kek>>18680134He had a wife and a son that were killed. Stop larping and baiting.
>>18678722>possibly gaywhat does this even mean? Everyone is 'possibly gay'. Also possibly straight, possibly trans, possibly about every fucking thingNext time don't base your OP on a Netflix show which had to shoehorn gayness in it for which there is no proof at all other than speculation because he had a close best friend. It's more likely he was straight, wanna know why? He had a fucking wife and fucked her. The gay angle says more about today's world than about ancient times.
>>18680717Because it's generally assumed by most historians that he was romantically involved with Hephaeston
>>18681039>"historians"
>>18681119People since he was alive have been saying he was fucking dudes
>>18681183You just made this up
>>18678735>exceptional leaders are in line with average geneticskek seethe harder macao
>>18681039>historians assumeaka. unfounded claim
>>18681194>>18681219I mean there's a whole section on Wikipedia about his sexuality with sources from Roman times arguing about it but you do you m8
>>18681220>from Roman timeslel
>>18681220You also believe Theodora's head detached from her body at night and floated around the streets of Constantinople hissing at people, right? It's not even from sources written centuries later, it's in a primary source written when she was alive, by a man who met her personally!After all, there's no such thing as historical revisionism and propaganda to defame important historical figures.
He rejected princesses that were brought to him and wanted Roxana the moment he saw her. He commissioned (now lost) artworks and sculptures of them together, had two babies with her despite being in military campaign for most of his life and adored her according to contemporary sources.He loved Roxana.
>>18681241>>18681263Modern victims of child sexual abuse (aka gays) will do anything to normalize the trauma that they suffered, including repeating it to the next generation and slandering literally anyone in history.
Let's not pretend for a second anyone in Ancient Greece or remotely adjacent wasn't a massive faggot
>>18680717>>18681119>>18681194>>18681219>>18681296>King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis--so says Carystius in Historical Notes--had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. "No!" said the king. "That would pain you more than it would please me."Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.602>When Alexander arrived at the palace of Gedrosia, he restored the army with a festival. It is said that he got drunk and watched choral competitions. His eromenos Bagoas won in the dancing and he traversed the theater in his costume and sat down beside him. Seeing this, the Macedonians applauded and shouted out, bidding Alexander kiss him, until he embraced him and kissed him deeplyPlutarch, Alexander 67.8>Alexander laid a wreath on Achilles' tomb and Hephaestion on Patroclus', hinting that he was Alexander's eromenos, as Patroclus was of Achilles.Aelian, Varia Historia 12.7>Euxenippus was still very young and a favourite of Alexander's because he was in the prime of his youth, but though he rivaled Hephaestion in good looks he could not match him in charm, since he was rather effeminate.Curtius, The History of Alexander 7.9.19>Alexander ordered the temples of Asclepius to be burned, when his eromenos died.Epictetus, Discourses 2.22.17>If you wish to become beautiful and good, throw the rags on your head and come to us. However you will not be able to do it, because you are held by Hephaestion's thighs.Diogenes, Letter to Alexander
>>18681263>He commissioned (now lost) artworks and sculptures of them togetherUgh, imagine what they would've looked like...
>>18681545Explain Ancient Greeks writing polemics against faggotry then.
>>18681575>it is said thatIf your brain wasn't damaged by your uncle's diddling, you'd understand the issue better.
>>18681737If we're going to assume that historians aren't a trustworthy source be it contemporary or modern then what's the fucking point of even having this entire board?
>>18681575based Diogenes
>>18681726Greek polemics against faggotry are like this:>I know boys are really cute but we should try really hard not to sodomise them!! but I know this is impossible so just make sure you only do it a few times ok
>>18681808Did Alexander have sex with men? Yeah probably, I'm sure he raped a few slaves too. Was he gay with Hephaestion? No probably not. Was him being gay an important part of his character? No probably not. Was his form of homosexuality even remotely close to something which we could call consensual today? No probably not. Was it exaggerated throughout history by people who were envious/mad/gay? Almost definitely.
>>18681575>>King Alexander, too, was quite excessively keen on boys: according to Dicaearchus in On the Sacrifice at Troy, he was so taken with the eunuch Bagoas that under the eyes of the whole theater he bent over to give him a kiss, and when the audience shouted and applauded, he very willingly bent over and kissed him again. Charon of Chalcis--so says Carystius in Historical Notes--had a beautiful boy who was devoted to him. Alexander remarked on his beauty during a drinking bout hosted by Craterus. Charon told his boy to give Alexander a kiss. "No!" said the king. "That would pain you more than it would please me.">Athenaeus, Deipnosophistae 13.602Stopped reading right there. Nothing in that quote implies romantic love. You're projecting your modern degeneracy onto the ancients.
>>18682370So you're saying if it's not true romance and just casual faggotry it's not gay?
>>18681575>>18682370
>>18681808I wonder what "people" like you do when two historians contradict one another. After all, #believeallhistorians, right?
>>18682062>I haven't read anything except 9gag memesWeird flex but ok
>>18680389Sounds pretty based to me
>>18682452Nooo living in perpetual safety in your mom's basement without hurting anyone's feelings is the only trve based lifestyle!!1!11!
>>18682370What does “excessively keen on boys” mean? Also this quote is from a section of the Deipnosophistae about homosexuality >>18682407That’s a description of Socrates’ second speech in Plato’s Phaedrus
>>18682528Nigga, if you've read Plato you were a base liar rather than being merely retarded when you said that all Greeks were faggots, and I wish you a rapid descent from an arabic rooftop.
>>18682579I wasnt the anon that said that. But it’s true anyway that their critics of homosexuality were even zestier than todays homosexuals
>Had a horse named Bucephalus which he named a city after.I wonder if that city is Bukhara. I know Kandahar is named after Iskander (Alexander)
>>18678722Ah, the first /his/ emperor Anyways, his pre-king life is rather interesting. For example, there are indications that he was rather ready to either usurp Philip or start a civil war, like that time when he tried to arrange a marriage under his father's nose, or when he was gathering troops while he was with his mother after fleeing court due to one of the slights he did against Philip. If Philip had lived longer, I don't think the two would have gotten along very well for much longer.
I always wonder what happened to the other 30++ Alexandrias, did the locals change the name back after the Greek ruling class lost power? Anyone have a timeline of those cities?
>>18682746>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_founded_by_Alexander_the_GreatBest I got
>>18682378>>18682398>>18682528>excessively keen on boysIt can simply mean liking boys in any non sexual way, retard. Like a man that acts too much like a parent when it's a woman's duty to take care of the children while the man is supposed to provide and deal with the administration of the community.The fact that you idiots don't provide actual arguments all but proves what 8 say
>>18678735>rent freeI am dark haired myself but your inferiority complex is so noticeable that I can only conclude it comes from a non-White.
>>18683928Faggots can only perceive children (and everything else for that matter) through a sexual lens. They're essentially molestation-induced sex addicts.It's like trying to explain the various useful qualities of alcohol to an alcoholic. All he thinks about is how long until he gets to drink it.
>>18683928>>18683951Why would the phrase “excessively keen on boys” in a parental sense precede a passage about kissing a eunuch? And why would it be included in a section of a Greek book discussing homosexuality? And why do the other passages refer to Alexander having eromenoi?
>>18684094Simple:>be ancient fag>hear somewhere that Alexander liked to play with kids>incapable of not sexualizing that concept>tell sexualized story to writerBut you're a fag too, so this is pointless. Just please do as many drugs as you like and stay clear of kids.
>>18684102Where does it say he likes to play with kids? No one claims that in any quote. All the passages are about kissing eunuchs or having male favourites. Is Plutarch an evil homo?
>>18680568Pompeius Magnus was said to look like Alexander and most likely had brown hair. He styled his hair as Alexander. Don't know if that helps.
>>18684104>totally incapable of even grasping the conceptAs I said. Pointless.
>>18684138The concept is fine. It just has no application to the texts we’re discussing.
>>18684141You can't even grasp the difference between the author of a text and the source of information used by the author of a text. You're a gay moron.
>>18684196Yeah and the sources mentioned simply talk about Alexander kissing eunuchs and beautiful boys. The author is the one who added the preface about excessive keenness. Retard.
>>18684200I never denied that. I'm not discussing this further with an obvious catamite retard. I'd tell you to go get fucked, but... you know...
>>18684218Then what was the point of arguing that “excessive keenness” means paternal attachment in the first place? Brown faggot
>>18678722If he didn't overextend into India and actually established his reign in Anatolia, history of the world would be completely different. >Macedonia becomes (and stays) a world power>Rome most likely never conquers it >Macedonial ater establishes its rule in the Levant>Jesus Christ's story may look very different>Rome is never flooded with near eastern hordes (because Macedonia takes the hit)And many more.
What a lovely thread
>>18685473Not extendmaxxing is for casuals.Assuming the Macedonians destroy the jewish temple, the ensuing midrash about jesus would be exactly the same (since it is written based on the OT), but the writers would be seething against Macedonia instead of Rome.There would be Rome (West) + Macedonia (East) instead of Rome (West) + Rome (East).So you're right, perhaps Macedonia takes the hit of near eastern hordes (including those bringing christianity), and we could have had a christianized East and a gentile West.
>>18686303>Not extendmaxxing is for casuals.You mean professionals? It's easy to give up to the urges to go for more and more. A wise man decides that he can't chew more, and takes the payout. That's how Franco won the CIvil War - everyone was nagging him to go forward, but he always cautiously covered all bases (mostly logistics), and only then went forward.
>>18678722Something I can't comprehend is that Darius had infinite money, but it didn't help him.In theory, he had money to hire all the men in the world, but he could only recruit some poorly disciplined infantry
>>18686735>he can't chew moreAs I said: casuals.>FrancoHis name will not echo for millennia.
>>18678722according to the Talmud, Alexander the Great killed 1,200,000 Jews in Egypt:https://www.sefaria.org/Sukkah.51b.8Religiously motivated Jewish atrocity propaganda often names multiples of 600,000 as the Jewish victim tally because that is the number of Jewish families that went out of Egypt according to the Book of Exodus.
>>18687137>His name will not echo for millennia.only because he didn't see to his regime being continued in like manner.If he hadn't entrusted Spain's fate to the traitor king who turned it into an EU country and opened the door for millions of browns, Spain would now be the Last Man Standing in Europe and slowly start becoming the continent's hegemon by default. Feanco's name would be honored for as long Europe is a thing.
>>18687315>If
>>18687301kek its so strange that they sit around writing made up stories about famous goyim like this>600,000I thought it had to do with the missing 'vav' letter in the "return to israel" prophecy. That seems to be the foundation for the famous six million.https://www.jta.org/2017/05/16/ny/the-joy-of-six
>>18687137>Franco's name will not echo for millennia.Nobody's name will. He's very popular among the right wing, so if the right wins the upcoming war, he will be remembered much longer than you might think.
Lads, lads:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SkanderbegThere is the real Alexander the Great. It is a bitter pill to accept for those who have built their beliefs out of these shadows of the past but the overlaps are too great for them to be different people. Skandabeg is the Turkish form. In English he would be Lord Alexander. Or Alexander the Great. b.1405. d.1468. AD.Syvain Tristan writes interestingly about it. No one used AD numbering prior to the Gregorian calendar and Renaisance historians inherit these dusty undated documents of random spelling and try to piece it all together. And different accounts spawn different similar people at random times.
>>18678722I honestly think Alexander was a mere figure head, Phillip nurtured a generation of brilliant commanders with military acumen, these went onto become the Diadochi after Alexander's death. and I think the power always remained with them and they basically re-wrote everything around the campaign to fit a narrative to retain power. Somatophylakes were the main perpetrators and there were of course other commanders and captains who were involved in the conspiracy.
>>18688085>Nobody's name will [echo for millennia]KWABImagine posting this in a thread discussing Alexander the Great.
>>18688100That's not true. I looked into this a while back, and the AD system begins to come in during the dark ages.There is definitely a lot of grey areas and you can find time contractions and extensions here and there in the (European) timeline, but it's on the order of maybe a few centuries added in, not eighteen of them.Now when it comes to the Levant, scholars prioritize the bible's schizophrenic timeline above all reason, which leads to all kinds of nonsense regarding Egypt and Babylon and so on. There we can probably subtract a whole millennia.
>>18688124>they basically re-wrote everything around the campaignWhy not make themselves the cool main characters rather than making Alexander this godlike ubermensch?
Im not checking the entirety of this thread. Im too stressed.
Alexander was trash, an insecure faggot who destroyed the Macedonian armyHis father, Phillip II, was soley responsable for building up from scratch a loyal, disciplined and intelligent army and also being a good diplomat with the other cities, Macedonia would be nothing without himMf thought we has a deity, forced to be treated like a god - the same way as the persians - betraying those loyal to his father, not only that, he killed his best commander, that made the entire persian assault possible, due to pure envy (Parmenio) and his son and killed the man that saved his life in a drunk argumentNo wonder why he got assassinated, he was pure hubris and insecurity
>>18678735SAAARS ARAB ARE WHITE SAAAARS
>>18678750the brown man lives in eternal ressentment
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>>18678722I was enjoying reading until someone started trying to focus on Alexander the Great in their homosexual hero for sodomy and anal sex between men. Then it turned into, once discovered that Greek pagans had normalized some practices which were not Christian yet, a focus on Greek homosexuality and pedophilia. If we could just focus on the history and humanities that would be great. I suspect the people trying to claim Alexander the Great is a Muslim is the same people spamming the board that Christianity and Yahweh is an evil demon but only allah according to Muhammad is good. I wish we could get these people out of Greek history and Christianity. Alexander the Great paved the way for the KJV Bible. I’m sure God had a plan in that. If Daniel begged God to shine upon His own people and the sanctuary, then I’m sure this applies to Alexander the Great’s sins and the Greeks and Romans to sanctify them. Muslims are even benefiting from the same blessing, yet they try to attack him.
>>18689590>Christianity and Yahweh is an evil demon but only allah according to Muhammad is goodThey're literally the same evil demon, retard.Christianity is a post-temple judaism cope, and Islam is a christian heresy. It's all the same flavors mixed slightly differently.
>>18689508If you want to isolate CHG properly, you need an ANE sample, instead of Yamnaya, which itself is about 30% CHG. Russia_Afontova_Gora_LUP:AG2,0.104717,0.026404,0.076555,0.154718,-0.043700,0.025100,-0.044182,-0.041075,-0.021066,-0.059227,0.030691,-0.010790,0.019177,-0.022570,0.018458,0.002121,-0.010300,-0.006968,0.001257,0.013131,-0.019216,0.005070,0.019596,0.020123,0.000479Sintashta o3 shows lower CHG levels that it should.
>>18687024>Something I can't comprehend is that Darius had infinite money, but it didn't help him.>In theory, he had money to hire all the men in the world, but he could only recruit some poorly disciplined infantryThe Persian empire was a vast collection of different peoples who had no particular loyalty to the king, he was just the guy their taxes went to.
>>18690018Machiavelli actually the opposite.He relates Achemenids to Ottomans and compares them France.He says that France is easy to conquer, but hard to keep because nobles will defect, while Acheneids/Ottomans are hard to conquer but easy keep because all governorns are slaves of the sultan.
