Would the Civil War have been won more quickly had the US adopted a Southern strategy aka Nanshin-ron?>Step 1Take Louisiana and control the Mississippi.>Step 2Take Savannah and march to Atlanta, reversing Sherman's march to the sea.>Step 3Squeeze the confed forces between Georgia and the Mississippi.Now you have the Confeds isolated and surrounded.
>>18680130Vicksburg would also still have to get probably sieged during that scenario I would imagine
>>18680144Might be easier to supply having both Tennessee and LA as bases.
>>18680130I don't understand the point. The union blockaded, seiged, and campaigned all across the Gulf states and Atlantic coast. Many Confederate ports were closed by seizing the coastal forts, effectively shutting down anything. Unfortunately, the Union was defeated in several larger campaigns, both militarily and politically, like with Burnside in N. Carolina. The whole point of the Andacanda was to hit them everywhere and squeeze them dry, there wasn't an exclusion of effort. Plus, industrially, taking Virginia and the Tennessee Valley was far more important than a billion square miles of southern Alabama swamp. Drive through that part of the world sometime, even today it's fucking miserable, why drop huge armies down there?
>>18680278Take the weakest states. Now you have access to millions of slave manpower. Use them as cannon fodder to march on Virginia and the Carolinas.
>>18680130I will never understand why the Confederate government didnt send the military to flood into defend New Orleans, their largest city, crucial port city, and the mouth of the mississippi.
>>18680130>perform an amphibious landing in a swamp at a city that has a history of repelling invaders>then perform an amphibious assault in marshland, in a city named after the oceans of marshes on the coast>march through the heart of the Confederacy, hundreds of miles from the nearest friendlies relying on an undeveloped beachhead and 1861-level infrastructureAll in Johnny Reb's backyard where an unbroken economy and early war enthusiasm would mean high rebel morale. A Northern invasion force this deep in Southern territory this early in the war would only fire up the Confederates.Also, there really is no way out of this situation for the Union if one of their invasions fails. They would leave untold numbers of men and equipment with no way to retreat.
>>18680513Same person hereI believe there's absolutely an argument to be made that a concentrated landing at one of those points towards some inland force leading an offensive to the sea. See: Union siege of Fort Pulaski near Savannah. I'm saying all this as a proud Southron desu
>>18680130What if Chuck Norris stood by himself waving the Texas banner upon a hill in front of Sherman's entire army? What the lincolnite bois gon do?
>>18680513>>18680360Louisiana and Florida is an ideal place for guerrilla warfare (peninsular war/seminole war tier); if only Davis hadn't appointed retards like Floyd and Pillow, Simon Bolivar Buckner and his 13,000 troops could have repelled Grant attack, meaning the Confederacy could easily have defended the coastline.
>>18680296Now you have to train and arm a bunch of illiterate black former chattel slaves. The 54th was made up of Freed men and northern educated blacks. All the other battalions of freed slaves were highly ineffective and mostly used for rear echelon work. Just "arm the free slaves" isn't a solution, it is a logistical nightmare at best and a catastrophe waiting to happen at worst.
>>18680130Play war of rightshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNvneLk3gMI
>>18681408Gemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9RbDJ6nt3Q
>>18680513>Johnny Reb's backyard where an unbroken economyIt would be broken in this scenario. All the plantations burned. All government buildings destroyed and arms confiscated. Capture any male over 10 years old and under 60. Slaves freed and let loose to prey on the women. The states would withdraw their forces from Virginia to defend their home turf, and the Confederacy with its weak central government couldn't stop them.
>>18681307They don't need to be effective. Throw them out as bait. They don't even need guns. Arm them with pikes and tell them that's how war is fought.
>>18682108You do realize blacks know what guns are right?>baitThis is war not hunting retard. How does sending unarmed blacks into a field to grt shot make any strategic sense?
>>18681307>>18682563Send them to Lincoln house
>>18682569You want to send every single freed slave to a house? How retarded are you?
>>18682765Yes
>>18682563>How does sending unarmed blacks into a field to grt shot make any strategic sense?It would paralyze the Confederate army and make them easy targets. They can't kill the black pike formation because it's expensive property. They can't not kill them or get skewered.
>>18683446Just ignore how they fired on black soldiers sure retard
>>18680130You would relieve all pressure on Virginia and leave yourself open for a more successful Confederate offensive in the North and also leave your forces vulnerable to encirclement if they're all concentrated in the Deep South alone, with the march to the sea being a success in part due to Confederate armies being tied down elsewhere, namely in Tennessee.The Union beat the Confederates the best way they could, by forcing them to spread their forces far and wide. Concentrating Union forces and thus Confederate forces in turn would not bode as well.
That is what happened in the west. The rest of it is more a matter of chasing them down with the flaws of pre-20th century logistics.
>>18683638>>18680130Stoo being larping military expert or play the gameshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg9sJz7c0R0
>>18684477>stop discussing history on /his/Go back to /v/
>>18685552But the game about history
>>18683638The pressure on Virginia will always be there, dude. It's literally the northern most state, with multiple points of entry aka overland, through the bay, or from W. Va. What happened in OTL was that they were allowed to concentrate their forces there. The southern plan splits the Confederate forces and destroys them in detail.
>>18685658Much of the Confederate forces were in Virginia due to the repeated Union offenses in Virginia. If Virginia isn't invaded, with sole Union focus being on invading the Deep South by coast and expanding from there, then that takes immense pressure off from the defence. And OTL Confederate forces were constantly split across multiple states and theaters despite it's large focus on defending Virginia. This pure coastal invasion upwards plan would only make the Confederates less split and more concentrated in engaging Union forces and give them an advantage in encirclement of said Union forces as well as an advantage in pushing into Kentucky and Maryland, unless the Union is limiting the invading force from the south for defense which only increases the likelihood of that forces destruction against a concentrated Confederate army, especially in the early stages of the war.
You forgot to defend Washington DC, and got yourself bogged down in an eternal swamp guerilla conflict far, far away from your own logistical base.McClellan had the right idea, to use the railroads to maintain troop levels and supply a Peninsular naval invasion and siege of Richmond, but his execution left something to be desired and a lot of that has to do with him remaining behind the front and communicating with absolutely everyone by telegraph.
>>18681103What if the Union Springfield Model 1863 was a Prussian needle rifle (early bolt-action) via interchangeable parts available, while the Confederate Richmond model was a Austrian trapdoor wanzel rifle or Fayetteville use Albini-Braendlin system?
malaria you thought attrition due to disease was especially bad after McClellan (famous for his discipline and keeping camp clean, loved to death by his men) was bootedbut you have no idea how much worse it could be if you decided to send northern boys into the wet
>>18680130Aloha Vietnam, Lao, and Cambodia-
THE CONFEDERATES SHOULD HAVE WEAPONIZED MALARIA, AND GRANTED FREEDOM TO ANY SLAVE —AND TO HIS IMMEDIATE FAMILY MEMBERS— WHO ENLISTED IN THE MILITARY.ONE DIXIE WIFE, PLEASE.
God bless the south and king
>>18685785Imagine Joe Johnston having Forrest, Patrick Cleburne, and Tom Jackson work together against McClellan.
>>18686307Based
>>18687824Is this flag correct?
>>18686307>fight a war for slavery>free all your slaves in the processNah
>>18689293THE WAR WAS NOT ABOUT SLAVERY; IT WAS ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT ECONOMICAL SYSTEMS, AND THEIR RESPECTIVE POLITICAL IMPLICATIONS: THE UNIONISTS, WITH THEIR PROLETARIAN INDUSTRIAL SYSTEM; THE CONFEDERATES, WITH THEIR LANDED AGRARIAN SYSTEM.
>>18689302>hey we are gonna secede for our landed agrarian system>cool why don't you keep your system but just free the slaves?>no
>>18689343RETARD.
>>18689302>>18689293Dixie fighting for 1781 constitutional right from Yankee aggressor
>>18680130Fun fact: Pleasant Hill was a major Confederate victory.
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Why would malaria be an issued when the Union forces won't be camping in the swamp? They'll take the cities and towns, loot the plantations, and burn the rest. If anything it'll be the "Rebel" resistance that'll be hiding out in the swamps and dying of malaria.
>>18690748They will get infected from drinking water or get diarrhea like true American patriot.
>>18690748Yankee Urbanfags have no immunity back then.https://www.hilarispublisher.com/open-access/malaria-in-urban-settings-challenges-and-opportunities-for-effective-control-101183.html
