How did the whole thing actually function? Was the prewar economy genuinely successful, or was it basically an unsustainable rearmament bubble that depended on expansion/plunder to keep going?Additionally, how good were the working conditions for the average worker living in Natsoc Germany? Did the Nazi policy lean more towards the capitalists, doing the bidding for them? Were the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" a socialist workers' party?>inb4 “Hitler fixed the economy”>inb4 “Germany was bankrupt lmao”Looking for actual historical sources/data rather than the usual political screeching.
>>18681325>Additionally, how good were the working conditions for the average worker living in Natsoc Germany?Rationing and inflation were the two biggest issue.As for party politics? Freedom of work, of occupation and of bargain, collective or individual were rescinded by law, work hours increased from eight to twelve. Also business owners were granted the right to administer corporal punishment to their employees.On the other hand, rationing guaranteed some bare necessities and the DAF offered free holiday trips, so that makes them Commies.
>>18681325The German state heavily invested in industry and infrastructure while cutting down 'useless jobs' like journalism and real estate that Jews had an oversized role in.The entire economy was re-structured to serve material ends of manufacturing and construction. Postwar Japan did something similar, and so does modern China.>Was it unsustainableProbably yes, because Germany is a small country without many natural resources. They relied heavily on trade, and with increasingly unfavourable relationships with the rest of the world, they would have been required to start a war at some point if not 1939.
>>18681357>work hours increased from eight to twelveThis was a wartime economy measure. The exact same thing happened in the Soviet Union and in Britain, so it can hardly be considered a peculiarly fascist labour policy when socialist and liberal regimes were doing the same thing. Do you have any source for the claim that corporal punishment was used on civilian workers? It was certainly extensively used on slaves and concentration camp inmates, but I’m seriously sceptical that German bosses were allowed to beat their employees. There’s a lot to criticise about Nazi economics without making shit up
>>18681592Looking it up, their right to punish workers with docking pay, imprisonment and beatings only applied to foreign indenture workers, with the main focus being on Poles.>so it can hardly be considered a peculiarly fascist labour policyTo be fair, Hitler had the ability to not escalate the conflict at every single step.
>>18681325>How did the Nazi war economy actually work?It didn't. That was one of their many major problems.
The National Socialist economy did not work; it was a vampire economy at best. Its stability depended on plunder, once the easy to grab resources were acquired, gold reserves exhausted and loans taken, Hitler could only keep the fantasy going for so long. That's why Germany had to go to war at some point, its why "liberated" nations had their gold reserves plundered.
Here, I hyaven't read it yet. https://dn760007.eu.archive.org/0/items/TheWagesOfDestructionTheMakingAndBreakingOfTheNaziEconomy/The%20Wages%20of%20Destruction%20The%20Making%20and%20Breaking%20of%20the%20Nazi%20Economy.pdf
>>18681325Ironically, wartime Nazi Germany was a "nation of immigrants". No I'm not memeing here, basically Germany was so desperately in need of labour manpower that they began either strongly coercing or just outright kidnapping people across Europe to work in German industry. They were called Zwangsarbeiter (Forced Labourers) and over 10-12 million were brought in. Cities like Berlin or Duisburg were filled with foreigners (who were clearly demarcated by armbands indicating their status) who manned Germany's factories. Frenchmen, Czechs, Poles, Yugoslavs, Russians, etc... When Germany itself began collapsing and government order broke down, these bands of roving foreign workers became a real bandit problem and the country was basically infested with young, angry, men who had a grudge against Germany.
>>18681388>>18681592>>18681986>>18682817Why do chuds admire this "empire" again?
>>18682817It was the primary industries that consumed the largest part of immigrants too - mining, quarrying, logging, agriculture.>and the country was basically infested with young, angry, men who had a grudge against Germany.Apparently the first stop before being put to work was a literal torture camp, to guarantee compliance, followed by GESTAPO being in charge of making sure that you maintain the grind set 24/7. So yeah, they mad and bitter.
>>18682839because presenting an image of strength and power, even when reality shows how weak they were, is all that matters to the chudsits not about solving policy problems, its about soothing their fragile egos
>>18681986>once the easy to grab resources were acquired, gold reserves exhausted and loans taken,When did this happen?
>>18681325Does anyone have the link to the video of the Nazis designating a ceremony to honor those fallen at the Massacre of Verden?It was on youtube but I can't find it, it was a highly elaborate and dignified event.
>>18682839It's mostly the counter culture. Like, the nazis became a meme, and Hitler is the closest thing to Devil in the Western culture. And if you hate your gov or society (for whatever reason), you start to be intersted in the ideas they demonize. Usually the interest isn't a legit research, but memes and idealized fantasies, though.
>>18682864I don't agree with this.Yes it's true, when the options provided to people aren't successful they will try to find a better option. However, the reason they uphold those values even after they find them isn't to be edgy, but because they genuinely express a deeper quality that nothing else can. I think this is why so much of Hitlers speeches and Nazi ideology is actively supressed and subverted, because when people start to see the depth of the Germans conviction at that time, you can't make the easy statement of>Oh they're all just racist evil nazis you shouldn't listen to them.Once you understand that they were men, just like anybody else, you quickly start to understand their action, even empathize to an extent. And before long people stop believing the propaganda and they use their own judgement.
>>18681986That's just every empire tho. The real evil is imperialist capitalism but /his/chuds won't admit it
>>18682871What I wrote before was why the (some) chuds on pol idealise nazis (in my opinion).I think the regime was terrible and totalitarian. Hitler's hatred toward Jews, Gipsies, and Slavs was stupid. Because of that, Germany lost the best physicists to the US, for example. And he even persecuted the Jewish veterans of WWI, who actually fought for the state. To be fair, not every nazi was such a shithead, but the party destroyed any competition. No opposition, no freedom of speech is always bad, since any organisation becomes corrupted without some sort of counterforce.Their economy was socialistic. No market prices and 4-year production plans. Limitation of business owners' income. As the history has shown, it's a dead end. All communist countries (even North Korea!) either went through the market reforms or died. Maybe except for Cuba, but it may change soon.With all that said, I still find Nazi Germany is stigmatised too much. It doesn't mean we should start to like them, it merely means we should be able to research it with academic neutrality. And there are things to research actually. Look at the pict. Germany's birthrates skyrocketed in the 30s. One could think we could research this phenomenon in hopes it helps us with the declining birthrates problem. Yet nobody does it, because people can't fathom there was something good about the regime. They think admitting it is the same as supporting nazism.Really, I've googled what people think about the birthrates rise. It was just angry emotional answers without any facts.
>>18682924>I think the regime was terrible and totalitarianWell, not if you were German, which was kind of the whole point of not only the Nazi Movement, but truly the whole point of a Nation in the first place.>hatred toward Jews, Gipsies, and Slavs was stupid.Because their inclusion subtracts from German prosperity. And this is a common point most modern Civ Nats don't understand, that a GDP does nothing for the prosperity of a nation. A nations prosperity is determined only by the extent to which that nation defends its founding stock.>Germany lost the best physicists to the USNazi Germany had vast amounts of innovation and invention even without them, in just about every field.>No opposition, no freedom of speech is always badShould we allow pedophiles to go around speaking in public and advocating for child molestation? Clearly Freedom of Speech is not always good.>As the history has shown, it's a dead end.You're making the common mistake of confusing National Socialism for Communism. The two are very different, and given how Germany was able to recover from the Great Depression, clearly it wasn't all bad.>One could think we could research this phenomenon in hopes it helps us with the declining birthrates problem. Yet nobody does it, because people can't fathom there was something good about the regime. They think admitting it is the same as supporting nazism.Because any increase of the White birth Rate is Racism. It is Racist for Whites to not go extinct.Germany fixed its birth rate by deporting and removing foreigners, and allocating more resources to its Native population.Do you think any modern country wants this? Especially when they are all so hellbent on importing foreigners into the country and giving them infinity money.This is the simple reality. A Nation cannot function without homogeniety. Birth Rates will not rise if you have a foreign population draining your Nation of resources.
>>18682839Their aesthetic cannot be topped and is made even more appealing by it being "taboo" in the west.
>>18682945>Well, not if you were German, which was kind of the whole point of not only the Nazi Movement, but truly the whole point of a Nation in the first placeSo, the Jewish veterans had to die... because they weren't part of the nation? That's stupid. Also, your point wasn't even supported by all Nazis. Goering famously said: "I decide who is Jew" when the Gestapo tried to take away one of his officers. Therefore, the ethnic purge clearly wasn't "the whole point", it was Hitler's kink. In fact, there even existed Jewish Nazi societies (up until 1936, I believe).>Nazi Germany had vast amounts of innovation and invention even without them, in just about every field.Which doesn't cancel it would have many more.>Should we allow pedophiles to go around speaking in public and advocating for child molestation?Yes. It shouldn't be punishable by the government. But the people can cancel unpopular opinions. You see, the whole point of the freedom of speech is to allow even the most repulsive opinions, since popular opinions do not need any additional protection, they're protected by the number of people sharing them. I emphasise that I'm talking about the protection of speech here, not the protection of actions.>The two are very differentHow?>Germany fixed its birth rate by deporting and removing foreigners, and allocating more resources to its Native population.Can you prove it, or is it just your opinion?
>>18682945>not if you were Germanexcept if you're a pacifist german, or a gay german, or a german with a jew in his ancestry, or a german who owns a business that isn't in league with the cartel, or
>>18682839I already know you are just a shithead looking for an easy own instead of an actual discussion, I'll answer anyway:Because they are the only modern nation appeals to the right, at least on the surfacelevel. Gaulle's and Churchill's policies failed and were detrimental to the European right wing to the point where left wingers started replacing conservatives in major institutions. The USSR collapsed on their own and besides the 50's and 60's there is nothing admirable about them, every archievement outside that timeframe had been done inspite of the ideology, not because. More importantly, the USSR stands against everything a normal right winger stands for.
>>18682980Stalin was the true Right Winger who saved the White race by genociding pedophile nazitrannies without mercy
>>18682924Look at the graph, Germany has already been hit the low before the 20's, more than 13 years before the Nazis took power.And generally it is delusional to believe that a few scientists from a minority were responsible for all German Progress, modern scientific archievements are contributed to strong institutions and broader national education, not a few geniuses and Nazi Germany barely tinkered anything there. What Nazi Germany did was absolutelly in the frame any other German Goverment could have done, the only long lasting damage was the German movie industry which admittingly, the Nazis ruined to this day, but even then, the U.S. destroyed many other major European movie industries after the war anywa.
>>18681325>How did the whole thing actually function? It was like other socialist states. They pilfered the middle class of their wealth (sometimes literally pulling it out of their teeth) and redistributed it.This granted a few years of prosperity, followed by a steep economic decline. The Nazi's solution for this was to repeat the process in neighboring states until they bumped up against the allies.
>>18682994Shut up Nigger and stop ruining this board with your unfunny shit. Stalin was a leftist and his policies contributed to the ruin of a nation with immense potential and prevent it from becoming a world power ever again.
>>18683004Other way around. The Nazi voter base was the middle class petit-bourgeoisie. It was the workers they oppressed
>>18683002>Germany has already been hit the low before the 20'sdude, it's WWIObviously they didn't have many children.>And generally it is delusional to believe that a few scientists from a minority were responsible for all German ProgressEinstein, Born, von Neumann. Do you know these names? And the list is much longer. Would it be better for the German science if they didn't have to leave?
>>18683014I guess the Nazis should have kept them around. It surely would have spawned infinite infrastructure, manpwoer and the resources that Germany did not have in the first place to capitalise on these discoveries.
>>18683029Japan and Korea barely have any resources. But they developed technologies, which allow them to buy the resources and then turn them into some advanced shit. Germany could use the scientists to do exactly the same. But instead of the trading, Hitler chose war.
>>18682975>So, the Jewish veterans had to die... because they weren't part of the nation?Yes. Actually look into what Hitler said about these "Jewish Veterans", they took valor for doing hardly nothing in the war. Being in the military doesn't mean you're worthy of praise if you just sit on your ass.The number of Jewish participants is also widely inflated.>In fact, there even existed Jewish Nazi societiesWidely overstated. That's simply politics for you.>Which doesn't cancel it would have many more.At the expense of German Prosperity of priority, again, contradicting the intentions of Nationhood.>Yes. It shouldn't be punishable by the government.I disagree. I don't think you should be allowed to go around spreading obvious bile and garbage.>But the people can cancel unpopular opinions.Democracy cannot rectify mistakes if the majority of people adopt an incorrect position, there is nothing holding them accountable.>the whole point of the freedom of speech is to allow even the most repulsive opinionsYes, and this is wrong. If people share an incorrect belief, it should not be permissible based on its number of adherents alone.>How?German peoples are still allowed to own weapons, own property, all the same advantages offered to Capitalist citizens, but without the tyranny of Mob Rule and Quantity.Communism does not allow ownership of anything, and will actively replace its founding stock to better the GDP.>Can you prove it, or is it just your opinion?Can you disprove how granting interest free loans to young couples starting families Doesn't increase the Birthrate?It should be painfully obvious that this is the case, I don't know how I can prove it anymore than citing the facts.Less foreigners means more jobs, which is provable by the fact that they aren't in the country to work the jobs they would otherwise be hired for. It means more housing, because quite literally there are less people in the country requiring housing.
>>18683035Small highly developed nations (Japan, Britain, Germany) have the choice to expand their influence or become puppets of America
>>18682977None of those people of German. They are either traitors or half breeds.Again, a pacifist German who doesn't defend his people is a traitor. A gay German who does not reproduce is a traitor. A German Jew is not pure blooded, and therefor not German.>>18682975Also look at net negative tax contributions of Migrants, who are also more represented as Welfare adherent.Is it not obvious that using those resources for White People or Germans helps them have more children?
>>18683035Great, nations that only developed because of the fruits of globalisation and getting essentially vassalised by a World power. I guess Germany should have just asked their magical Jewish super scientists to conjure these post-war circumstances that didn't exist at this point in history so they could have visited the moon because apparantly that's how science works, you just need a single educated Jew and he conjures you everything.Look at the graph, do you notice something? If what you say were true and Einstein and his bedfellows were even just slightly beneficial for Germany, the German decline wouldn't be constant since the 1920's and instead show a step fall off.
>>18683036>Actually look into what Hitler said about theseHitler can't be lying? Hitler can't be mistaken? Why do you believe words of one man about the group of people he hates? Would you believe a feminist saying all men are rapists? Or would you believe a BLM activist saying all Whites are guilty for slavery? I doubt it. Then why do you believe Hitler?> I disagree. I don't think you should be allowed to go around spreading obvious bile and garbage.Who decides what is garbage? Should a man have the right to critisize his government? What would happen to you if you criticized Hitler in 1938?>Democracy cannot rectify mistakes if the majority of people adopt an incorrect position, there is nothing holding them accountable.Yes it can. Through a rather complicated beaurocratic process, while having the opposition. A totalitarian regime can do it with a decision of one man.>If people share an incorrect belief, it should not be permissible based on its number of adherents alone.Under the current regime, you are this minority. Should you be able to express your opinion? Should the government arrest you for having the wrong (according to them) opinion?>German peoples are still allowed to own weapons, own property, all the same advantages offered to Capitalist citizens, but without the tyranny of Mob Rule and Quantity.>Communism does not allow ownership of anything, and will actively replace its founding stock to better the GDP.Wrong. First of all, communism was different. Look at Soviet NEP. It did allow to own businesses. The German 4-year plans were literally a calque from the Soviet 5-year plans. A German business owner couldn't set prices on his production. He would have to ask the government to approve it. The government could take your business away if they didn't like you, in other words, no rights of ownership. Even if someone owned a business on paper, he was, on fact, just a state-approved manger.
>>18683040you seem to have forgotten to address one of the categories I listed, anonare germans who don't roll over for fat, dysgenic drug addicts and their friends - practising every jewish trick in the book - also traitors?
>>18683049>graphIt reaches the peak in 1925 and then in 1935 (after Hitler came to power) it's declining? You don't have the dots in between, so let's check the numbers.>The Statistical Trajectory of German (1925–1940)>1925–1927 (~40% to 44%): German hit its absolute peak during this window. In specific critical fields like chemistry, German publications accounted for nearly 45% of all global output.>1928–1932 (~35% to 38%): German publishing held strong but began a slow structural decline. English officially retook a permanent lead as the primary global language of science during this period, driven by the massive expansion of well-funded American research labs.>1933–1935 (~25% to 30%): A sharp drop-off occurred. Nearly 15% to 25% of all German academia was forced out. World-class researchers moved their labs to the United States and Great Britain, instantly switching their publication language to English.>1936–1939 (~18% to 22%): The decline accelerated. The Nazi state increasingly restricted international collaborations. Laws forced domestic scientists to prioritize localized, state-approved journals, severely severing ties with global citation indexes. German's overall share across all sciences slipped toward roughly 20%.>1940 (~12% to 15%): With the onset of World War II, international academic publishing in Germany ground to a near-total halt due to paper rationing, wartime drafts of younger scientists, and absolute academic isolation. By 1940, German accounted for only about 15% of global scientific publications, establishing a downward trend from which it would never recover.
>>18681325The economy of National Socialist Germany was really successful, and you don’t even need deep economic knowledge to understand it; you just need to look at the economy of the German Empire before and during World War I, or after the disastrous Treaty of Versailles, and you can clearly see the positive change during and after German National Socialism. Some current economists even call this an economic miracle. See some sources below:https://algarabia.com/crisis-economicas-en-alemania/https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economia_da_Alemanha_Nazista
>>18681939>Corporatism >Nazi GermanyAh yes, the nation that straight up rejected corporatism. Besides of course explaining corporatism extremely badly and just being wrong on multiple other points.
>>18682871 >>18682980>>18683049>>18683089>>18683089Chuds are coping hardNotice how they didn't refute anything?
>>18682871>However, the reason they uphold those values even after they find them isn't to be edgy, but because they genuinely express a deeper quality that nothing else can.A lot of people focus on the brutality of the Nazis but there was also a romanticist / idealistic current to them. There are various aspects to this. There was the fetishism of courage and sacrifice, "beauty," hard work, and discipline. This was not unique to the Nazis and if you extract the Nazi ideology from that, you find that a lot of people have a yearning for these things. You see it in music a lot. Like a funny thing about a band like Rammstein is how they extract these qualities (removed from Nazi ideology) which people then enjoy at this very basic aesthetic level.>I think this is why so much of Hitlers speeches and Nazi ideology is actively supressed and subverted, because when people start to see the depth of the Germans conviction at that timeThat the Nazis weren't simply "evil" and BELIEVED in stuff and were passionate about things makes a lot of contemporary people uncomfortable yes. I think they were evil lunatics BTW but I mean in trying to understand the appeal of it. The Slovenian band Laibach "got this" I think because they understood the experience of people at pop concerts is psychologically similar to being a Nazi (the Nazis were a 20th century mass phenomenon, a mass cultural and political phenomenon involving millions of people), so they would take a Queen song and cover it like a totalitarian anthem:https://youtu.be/ZZAD7W3M4zc>>18682924>Germany's birthrates skyrocketed in the 30s. I suspect that is due to militarizing the population including teenagers in the Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls. When you put a bunch of horny teenagers in uniforms and send them out into the woods... in a plot twist I think this has also contributed to Israel having higher birthrates than similarly developed countries:https://youtu.be/aYM6uV_K7B0
Also on birth rates, here's Finland. There was a paper about this:>Understanding how conditions experienced during development affect reproductive timing is of considerable cross-disciplinary interest. Life-history theory predicts that organisms will accelerate reproduction when future survival is unsure. In humans, this can be triggered by early exposure to mortality. Previous studies, however, have been inconclusive due to several confounds that are also likely to affect reproduction. Here we take advantage of a natural experiment in which a population is temporarily divided by war to analyze how exposure to mortality affects reproduction. Using records of Finnish women in World War II, we find that young girls serving in a paramilitary organization wait less time to reproduce, have shorter inter-birth intervals, and have more children than their non-serving peers or sisters. These results support the hypothesis that exposure to elevated mortality rates during development can result in accelerated reproductive schedules and adds to our understanding of how participation in warfare affects women.https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-15703-0
>>18683066>Hitler can't be lying? Hitler can't be mistaken?I didn't say that, but we can clearly measure the results of the Nazi government to see the validity of these things.>Why do you believe words of one man about the group of people he hates? I don't, I believe the words of just about every major government and Nation since the dawn of human civilization, and also the Epstein Files which is a clear admission of international Jewish Crimes.>Would you believe a feminist saying all men are rapists? Or would you believe a BLM activist saying all Whites are guilty for slavery?No, because these statements are not corroborated by anything outside of these ideological frameworks, whereas Anti-Semitism is an international and historical trend that just about every group of people engaged in, for valid reasons.>Then why do you believe Hitler?Because his testament is corroborated by a multitude of evidence.>Who decides what is garbage? Natural Law? If you rape a child, that causes harm. What is hard to understand about this? People going around advocating for obviously vile and unhealthy actions that have absolutely no redeeming quality whatsoever should not be allowed to do so, obviously.>What would happen to you if you criticized Hitler in 1938?That depends on how I say it. Do you think the German High Command never had disagreements or criticism? You think Germany became a world power by having a total lack of communication?>Through a rather complicated beaurocratic processWhich never works, it always decays. Look at how dysfunctional modern democracy is. Do you really thinking this "Long tedious process" is resulting in anything but further fracturing of the Nation?>Should the government arrest you for having the wrong (according to them) opinion?If I am a foreigner in my non-native country, yes. I am however in America, which was founded by Whites for Whites since at least the 1790 Naturalization Act.
>>18683035Actually Korea had and still has a lot of resources. Just the ones you didn't usually heard of
>>18683066>A German business owner couldn't set prices on his production.Okay? And? German Economy was highyl succsesful.>The government could take your business away if they didn't like you, in other words, no rights of ownership.Ya, we don't allow terrorists and traitors to own stock in our economy. The Free Market is just as oppressive, because it always results in ethical singularity. If you try to defy modern morality, you go out of business. Is that Freedom?>just a state-approved manger.Ya, that's how the economy works. Even in the US you need a business license and everything else granted by the state. So what is your point exactly?>>18683069If they are fighting their people, they are of the Nation. If they defy the Nation, they are not.The nazis set rigorous fitness and health standards, so clearly the traitors are the dysgenic drug addicted tranny retards who went against them.>https://archive.org/details/wehrmacht-fitness-manual/page/n23/mode/2up
>>18683200>Like a funny thing about a band like Rammstein is how they extract these qualities (removed from Nazi ideology) which people then enjoy at this very basic aesthetic level.The difference is the sustainability with which these ideals are upheld, and the thorough enactment of them that Musicians like Rammstein are not able to achieve.Tribalism only works if its based on a Genetic foundation. Marxist Tribalism thus fails. Civic Nationalism thus fails. And if you look at these societies, none of them are healthy or moral.The Nazis were not only physically healthy, but morally healthy, because they removed all the weakness they could manage to rectify.What makes something true is the extent which it brings out Health in a group of people. The Nazis were thus moral, because they brought out the maximum potential of the German People.
>>18681325It worked the same as every other imperialist economy. Take resources from conquered territories use them to manufacture goods in the industrialized imperial core
>>18681986Essa é uma falácia totalmente infundada. A recuperação da Alemanha na década de 1930 deve ser creditada às políticas de gastos no estilo Keynesiano (Em 1933, a Alemanha enfrentava uma grave crise econômica, caracterizada por desemprego massivo e inflação. O Partido Nacional-Socialista dos Trabalhadores Alemães (NSDAP), liderado por Hitler, adotou políticas de gastos no estilo Keynesiano, que envolviam a criação de empregos públicos e intervenção estatal para estabilizar a economia. Essas políticas tinham como objetivo combater o desemprego e promover o rearmamento militar, resultando em crescimento econômico que ficou conhecido como o Primeiro Milagre Econômico Alemão.). Leia isso:https://www.scielo.br/j/rep/a/7G8DxY3hXdHMwvwxpv5M94R/?format=html&lang=pt&ilang=en
Why is the board suddenly flooded by Marxists and Lefties who don't understand history?Communism never works, and Hitler was right.Deal with it.
>>18683211>Natural Law?Everyone understands "natural" differently. In Islam, it used to be normal to have 9-year old wives and to own slaves. And you know, it has the roots in history. So, why should people embrace your "Natural law" instead of the Muhammad's?>That depends on how I say it.Do you think the German High Command never had disagreements or criticism? You think Germany became a world power by having a total lack of communication?Yes. Not the total lack of course, but they were gradually severing the communication channels. They forbade all other parties, they killed all the opposition inside of the party during the Night of the Knives. As a high-ranking Nazi, why would you argue with Hitler, having examples of Röm and Strasser? Also, why a high-ranking one? Right now you can go to the street with a poster "Fuck Trump" or "Fuck Obama", or "Release Epstein Files". Could you, as an average Fritz, go out with a poster "Fuck Hitler"?>Which never works, it always decays. Look at how dysfunctional modern democracy is.No? Most developed countries are democracies. They seem filthy exactly because people are allowed to talk about anything they consider a problem. You can discuss Epstein Files openly. Could you openly discuss the Goebbels' mistress (who was a Slav like 17 years younger than him)? No. You would've been imprisoned even for a joke about the government.>If I am a foreigner in my non-native country, yes.Nazis arrested political opponents irregardless of their nation. Any. Political. Opponents. You, as a citizen, had no right to question Hitler's decisions.
>>18683216>So what is your point exactly?The power the Nazi Germany had over the market is the same power the Soviet Union had. Both economies were socialistic.
>>18682857>>18682839>>18682864>>18683160Hey guys, can you name a single successful example of a Multi-Cultural/Multi-Ethnic Empire anywhere in recorded history that was either functional or did not rapidly collapse?>RomeNope, they became Multi-Cultural, and then they collapsed.>GreeceLiterally freed their slaves and started incorporating them into society, then they collapsed.>BabylonLmao>EgyptOn of the most socially dysfunctional nations in history that had so many different periods of rulership you can't even call it a single entity.>IndiaLiterally created a Caste System to prevent their society from collapsing, ended up collapsing so hard that they forgot how to speak their own language.>South AmericaA shit hole>North America and EuropeRapidly Declining.Almost like the Chuds are always right or something.
>>18683269>Nazismwas shit>Communismwas shitBoth were blood frenzy and socialistic, killing MILLIONS. Not as an accident even, it was their plan. Democracies have many flaws, but at least they allow you to, you know, exist.
>>18683273>So, why should people embrace your "Natural law" instead of the Muhammad's?Because calling something "Natural" has to be corroborated. For example, I can corroborate the fact that Pedophilia is immoral because we can measure the extent to which is causes trauma in children, harms fertility, etc. Muslims calling Pedophilia natural have no way to corroborate this sentiment.>Yes. Not the total lack of course, but they were gradually severing the communication channelsThey were at war doofus. And yes, it depends on the nature of criticism. If they are saying "Mein Fuhrer, consider this" they were fine, but anyone advocating for something completely treacherous had to be dealt with for insubordination, every country does this relative to its ideals. So what you disagree with is not the practice itself, you disagree with the reasoning behind it.>No? Most developed countries are democracies.Which are rapidly declining as we speak because of their lack of homogeneity.>You, as a citizen, had no right to question Hitler's decisions.Good. If my rhetoric obviously hampers the safety and security of my people, why should I be allowed to speak?We've seen first hand what has happened since Germany lost, their country has replaced them, and they are being regulated to the point of infertility, all while their history and culture is systematically erased.Any rational person would sacrifice their liberties if it meant the continuity of thousands of years of their unique existence.>>18683274I made a parallel between these institutions and the modern U.S.Do you think business licenses are immoral?
>>18683278>but at least they allow you to, you know, existWhat is it about you that nazis and communists wouldn't allow to exist? Are you trans? Jewish?
>>18683277USPersiaRome (they become multi-cultural long before the collapse)ChinaHREOttoman EmpireIf you don't like the examples, then define "successful" and "rapidly"
>>18683278Modern Democracy is actively hampering fertility rates in Western Countries by allocating resources to foreigners whilst restricting the success of the native populations.The only difference between Democracy and Fascism, is that one is fast while the other is slow. One kills its enemies, the other kills its own people.How many lives have been sacrificed in the name of democracy? Vietnam? Korea? The wars in the Middle East? And how have any of these sacrifices made our quality of life better?Rather be living than extinct, and rather be dead than enslaved to the horrors of modernity.With that in mind, it is insane to reject a philosophy that is beneficial to you and the continuation of your people, even if that philosophy is Fascism.
>>18683285Fertility rates are declining everywhere. Believe it or not, Subsaharan Africa's fertility rates peaked in the early 1990's, and have been declining ever since, with the decline even picking up pace in the smartphone/social media era. No one is immune.
>>18683221>Tribalism only works if its based on a Genetic foundation.I tend to believe that things have a habit of turning into their opposites. Like if you look at any communist regime, often enough what they turned into was the opposite of the stated goals of communist ideology when communists took over those countries. It's not becuase the people involved are hypocritical, but because things develop in ways that depart from the original intention. Means and ends become hopelessly confused. It's a kind of "Hegelian" reversal that often takes place. So in the case of communist regimes you end up with the creation of a new hierarchy that outlaws independent workers organizations and also enormously expands the coercive power of the state even though Marx's eventual communist society was supposed to have no state. You see this in various political regimes in history. In the case of the Nazis, what you actually had was Germany importing millions of non-German laborers to actually do the heroic labor while the racial Germans were being blown away by artillery by the millions on the front until the country was conquered and split up into two parts representing the twin mortal enemies of the ideology (liberalism and communism). This radical attempt to unify Germany ended up dividing Germany ultimately. Its attempt to forge solidarity based on racial unity was eventually transformed (via its own destruction) into division based on ideological differences.>The Nazis were not only physically healthy, but morally healthy, because they removed all the weakness they could manage to rectify.Well I think everything has two sides to it. The Nazis wanted people to be healthy in a radical way, but one way they attempted to do that was to kill mentally retarded kids. But that's another paradox, because I think part of the appeal of Nazism is the idea of being a warrior. But you're just killing helpless people who don't even know what's happening to them.
>>18683221One-for-all is not a uniquely nazi characteristic, you're doing the same thing leftist do by categorizing the majority of civilization in history, and 99% of humans who lived before the 1960's, as "nazi/fascist" diluting the term in the process.
>>18683221>>18683298In fact the nazi notion of "be an ubermensch to have a positive effect on society" was so redundant and obvious that liberal fifth-columnists like JFK freely invoked it themselves because it was such intuitive lip service>"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"Was literally in line with what you try to describe as uniquely nazi sentiments.
>>18683280>Because calling something "Natural" has to be corroborated.They can corroborate it with the Quran and Sunnah. Your opinion has infinitely less value in their moral framework.>completely treacherousIs saying "Fuck Trump" treacherous? Would saying "Fuck Hitler" be?>Which are rapidly declining as we speak because of their lack of homogeneity.This talk's been going on for at least 200 years. Bloody bastards like Marx, Lenin, or Hitler predicted capitalism and democracy's destruction. Yet they still exist, and the alternative projects have died out.>Good. If my rhetoric obviously hampers the safety and security of my people, why should I be allowed to speak?Well, it's not up to you to decide what hampers with it. The government decides. And, you know, purely statistically, there will be cases when you disagree. Yet you wouldn't be able to do anything under the regime.>Do you think business licenses are immoral?No. Because the government doesn't demand from the owner to approve it. You can get the licence while criticising the state everywhere. The Nazi government demanded the political loyalty. If the US gov takes away your business, you can sue them. If the Nazi gov takes away your business, you are lucky not to be tortured in the Gestapo.>>18683281>What is it about you that nazis and communists wouldn't allow to exist?I think the freedom of speech is necessary. I think it's allowed to criticise the government. It would be enough to them.>>18683285>Modern Democracy is actively hampering fertility rates It's a global process. Iran, Saudis, North Korea, Russia, China, India - everyone has declining birth rates. It has nothing to do with the type of government.>How many lives have been sacrificed in the name of democracy? Vietnam? Korea? The wars in the Middle East? Much less then died in WW2. Also, US citizens could protest against the wars. Could you, as a German in 1939, be against the invasion?
>>18681325>Additionally, how good were the working conditions for the average worker living in Natsoc Germany?During the later stage of wartime (but starting since around 1940), a lot of these were essentially enslaved foreigners. Their living conditions were terrible, they received smaller rations, were subject to harsh punishments, and essentially lived under a regime of racial apartheid from the Germans. German workers (the ones that remained) enjoyed a high stadard of living relative to elsewhere in Europe (as a consequence of the rest of Europe being ransacked to sustain it, to the degree that immediately after the war there was almost nothing in Europe for them to give).>Did the Nazi policy lean more towards the capitalists, Yes. Ultimately if there was a major conflict between the worker's and the tycoons it was the workers who were going to lose out. As other people said, worker's rigjts were seriously curtailed.>doing the bidding for them?Not really. The party-complex took precedence to private financial interests. They always got seconds when it came to the war spoils, decision-making, etc.> Were the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" a socialist workers' party?In the Bismarckian sense? yes. In the conventional sense? Not at all.
>>18683283>If you don't like the examples, then define "successful" and "rapidly"Success is defined by several metrics:>Economic stabilityThe ability for its citizens to afford the cost of living and basic necessity, to afford having children, and to maintain what they build in their lifetime, and beyond.>Social CohesionA Nations ability to have manage healthy discourse without fracturing the Nation>Fertility ratesThe ability of the nation to either maintain or expand its population>Heritage and Individual satisfactionThe ability for its citizens to have a well defined history, and to have a sense of belonging and purpose in that nation.These are just a few examples, now lets analyze yours:>United StatesHas been an Ethnic 90%+ Super Majority throughout most of its history, as stated by the 1790 Naturalization Act, and still not contradicts by the minority of Blacks granted citizenship after 1865. It was not until thw 1950s and 1960s when they began to change, and of course, our Economic and Social prosperity has been declining ever since.>RomeAdmittedly Declined over a longer period, but was maintained still by its majority of Roman citizens of a homogenized Med Ethnic type during this time. Highly dysfunctional, centuries characterized by decadence, orgies, etc.>ChinaLiterally When and Which version of China? China has a longer history of collapse then just about every other nation.>PersiaAgain not true, Ethnic Persians were a thing. Just because some Non-Citizen colony is established does not make somebody an Multi Ethnic Society.Puerto Rico is an American Colony, but they are obviously not American. They aren't allowed to vote, or anything else that is expected of citizens.>Ottoman EmpireAll Ethnically Brown Arabian mixed populations.>HREEthnically European/Germanic Super majority through most of its history.
>>18683286Exactly, because the world is becoming a Globalized multi cultural empire, contradicting the well being of every ethnicity that engages in it.Still, Africa alone has insanely high fertility rates compared to most other places.Maybe this is just because they're genetically prone to being type r reproducers?>>18683291Hitler did just about everything he promised to do for the German People. I can agree that War caused division, but that was something more blatantly inflicted upon them by their enemies, not by Germany themselves, unless you want to make the argument that>Germany started the warWhich there is a lot of evidence that this was not the case, and Hitler was trying to avoid war.>but one way they attempted to do that was to kill mentally retarded kids.Is this wrong? What does keeping invalids alive benefit society in any substantial way? They are always more of a burden then a benefit, and they do not generally achieve as much as an otherwise healthy society would achieve without them.Blank slatism is a lie.
>>18683298Sure, I don't disagree with this. We're going to understand things only relative to our axioms, but what determines the validity of our philosophy is the result of our actions.Ethnically Homogenized Societies are generally healthier, more prosperous, and have longer life spans (Provided they are of a strong Genetic baseline, unlike India or South Africa).>>18683302JFKs sentiment was asking Men to die for their country. National Socialism was asking the Nation to die for its Men.
>>18683318>, Africa alone has insanely high fertility rates compared to most other places.>Maybe this is just because they're genetically prone to being type r reproducers?It's because food-surplus countries feed them. Europe's population outnumbered Africa until the mid-to-late 20th-century. It has nothing to do with reproduction strategy.
>>18683303>They can corroborate it with the Quran and Sunnah. Your opinion has infinitely less value in their moral framework.Right, but just because they can corroborate it using the Quran does not make it valid, because the results of the action exist even without their moral framework.This is a difference between deriving Morality from Natural Laws vs ideological abstractions. One of these things is measurably false.>Is saying "Fuck Trump" treacherous? Would saying "Fuck Hitler" be?Is America in as dire a war situation as Germany?Though for the sake of argument, I'll say yes, because most foreigners and traitors are saying Fuck Trump. I don't agree with Trump or like him, but its clear that the ones saying "Fuck Trump" are not offering constructive criticism.>Yet they still exist, and the alternative projects have died out.Modern America is almost unrecognizable to how it was even 100 years ago. To call it a capitalist system when you have 1000 regulations governing your life is an absurdity. Take the UK for example, where people are going to jail for flying their own countries flag, lmao.>You can get the licence while criticising the state everywhere.If I were to discriminate against certain customers, upholding my own moral principles, I would have my license stripped and my business taken from me.You're not any more free, you just serve a different master.If freedom of association does not exist in the US, then this is obvious.>f the US gov takes away your business, you can sue themAnd you will lose, because of all the egalitarian laws that have hit the nation since the 1950s setting up unbeatable legal precedents.Again, you cannot question or criticize Blacks or Gays as a Business owner, you will be sewed and lose your business license.
>>18683314What monoethnic states satisfy your criteria?>>18683318It's been declining even in isolated countries like North Korea or Cuba. I think it's because of urbanisation (mostly, but not the only factor).>Which there is a lot of evidence that this was not the case, and Hitler was trying to avoid war.After Munich, he was furious at the Allies. He said: "They deprived me of my war". Hitler wanted the war, anon. He considered it to be a natural state.>Is this wrong? What does keeping invalids alive benefit society in any substantial way?Would you kill your mother if she lost the ability to walk? I hope you wouldn't.
>>18683303>Iran, Saudis, North Korea, Russia, China, IndiaHow many of those countries are importing foreigners into their country to replace the native population in large quantities?How many of those countries are funding migrants who are neither useful nor beneficial to our continued success, and are only tax burdens?North Korea doesn't do this. Russia has some migrants, but nowhere near what the rest of europe has. And nobody wants to go live in India.>Much less then died in WW2. Also,Abortion, higher murder rates, wars in every country on a constant basis, higher rates of disease, all of which are a consequence of Modernity.>US citizens could protest against the wars.And still be drafted to fight in it anyway.>>18683323>It has nothing to do with reproduction strategy.They are clearly type r producers, always have been. But you're right, the rest of the world should stop giving them money, maybe then we'd have the resources to fund our own fertility rates.Really makes you think....
>>18683327Historically: Iceland, Japan, most Scandinavian Countries until recently, America prior to the 1950s, though still into the later part of the century.>>18683327>Hitler wanted the warHe saw the UK as a Germanic state due to their Saxon Blood, he tried on multiple occasions to deescalate, which Churchill refused.>Would you kill your mother if she lost the ability to walk? I hope you wouldn't.That's not the same thing as somebody born with an IQ of 50 who needs disability checks every year for the rest of their life just so they can make peanut butter sandwiches 24hrs a day for the next 50 years.
>>18683326>Right, but just because they can corroborate it using the Quran does not make it valid, because the results of the action exist even without their moral framework.They would disagree. Quran says it's right. Even if someone is traumatised, that's the will of Allah. A good muslim must obey Allah. See? In this system you are wrong, and no argument you think rational can change it. Also, this system is much more traditional than the one you've described. So, if we're speaking about "naturality", Islam wins, since it's been practised for many centuries.>Is America in as dire a war situation as Germany?>Though for the sake of argument, I'll say yes, because most foreigners and traitors are saying Fuck Trump.Is an American saying "Fuck Trump" a traitor of the US? Would a German saying "Fuck Hitler" in 1938 be a trator?>Take the UK for example, where people are going to jail for flying their own countries flag, lmao.The government decided it's wrong, so it imprisons them. Just like you wanted. Or do you honestly believe that a Nazi government would only do what you personally consider right?>You're not any more free, you just serve a different master.My claim was about the government interference in the Germany. It was similar to the USSR, so the both economies were socialistic.>And you will loseMuhammad Ali refused to go to Vietnam. He won in the court against the government. Could a German in 1939 sue Germany? Could he win?> Again, you cannot question or criticize Blacks or Gays as a Business owner, you will be sewed and lose your business license.Interesting. Provide examples, please. Also, what do you think about "go woke - go broke"?
>>18683330>the rest of the world should stop giving them money, maybe then we'd have the resources to fund our own fertility rates.It's not just that and it's beyond money, it's food and foreign contractors to keep the lights on over there. All of that external assistance is the oxygen tube of their abnormal ferility rates. Cut the aid and their ferility would nosedive. There are only 2 things that could lead to TFR being 4 and above: pre-industrial levels of infant mortality(which even in Subsaharan Africa no longer apply), and economic freeloading(which does apply). It's the same story with the Ultra-Orthodox communities in Israel.
>>18683330>Russia holds roughly 11.6 million international migrants, placing it among the top countries globally for total migrant stock. Most come from former Soviet republics like Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Armenia. This migrant population stays relatively stable at around 8% of the country's overall population.>>18683335On of your criteria is the high fertility rates. For all those countries they are going down. And they were going down even before the mass migration happened.P.S. I'm done for today, continue tomorrow.
>>18683362>There are only 2 things that could lead to TFR being 4 and above: pre-industrial levels of infant mortality(which even in Subsaharan Africa no longer apply), and economic freeloading(which does apply)Amish infant mortality is not meaningfully higher than the rest of the US, and economically they're technically not self-sufficient but only in the sense that they participate in the general economy and are not totally insular like people assume(if you visit an Amish community it won't take you too long to find someone drinking Mountain Dew), but they don't rely on gibs. And with all that their TFR is like 7.
>>18683318>Which there is a lot of evidence that this was not the case, and Hitler was trying to avoid war.I somehow doubt that. Like if you read Mein Kampf, Hitler writes a lot about war as not only being a fact of life but also necessariy part of what would morally reinvigorate the German people because it's through struggle that stronger organisms grow and thrive and prevail over the weaker ones. He also joined the war effort in World War I with a lot of enthusiasm. Obviously he didn't just simply chimpout and there was a strategy involved. But it's not a coincidence that neo-Nazi organizations tend to be fight clubs and fighting is considered healthy. On the other hand, people who are sympathetic to the Third Reich don't want to advertise the war stuff because most people don't like that. But that is really what is about, and if your plan isn't to gear up for one big fucking war then I'd find a different hobby. I'd rather you just own it, actually, rather than lie to me. But then again on the other hand, war is also destructive, you can obviously die or at least it can ruin your health.At the same time people forming up to fight a big war can be attractive. Like I was talking about Rammstein which has a militaristic image, which is not the same thing but people do enjoy it at a very basic level or as an aesthetic. Then there's Starship Troopers which is said to critique fascism but the director made it thrilling. That's also an aspect of the "social" side of national socialism because people are socialized in a certain way to act as a team. But also definitely follow orders and that's expected/required. Or something like Helldivers 2. Like the music sounds heroic, which is I think how a lot of people who believed in Nazi propaganda in Germany in the 1930s/1940s experienced it:https://youtu.be/R5hCkh2AH58
>>18683351>They would disagree. Quran says it's right.And they are wrong, low IQ, and inbred.Just because you have an opinion doesn't make it right, and so naturally we should not let these people participate in free discussions, because they aren't capable of accurately measuring reality.>Islam wins, since it's been practised for many centuries.That isn't a determination of Natural Law, just because they've been practicing pedophilia for centuries doesn't mean it doesn't cause objective physical and mental harm.Again, what are I and Muslims appealing to when making moral claims. Muslims appeal to a book, I appeal to observable reality.>Is an American saying "Fuck Trump" a traitor of the US? Would a German saying "Fuck Hitler" in 1938 be a traitor?Yes. I say Fuck Trump, because I don't consider myself an American under the modern definition. I am a traitor to the modern America, because I advocate for its White Founding Stock.Your position about Muslims is all the more reason to support the ending of Democracy. If people who believe that Pedophilia is moral are allowed the same voting power as me, and there is no way to reason with them because they cannot measure reality, then there is no purpose in allowing them to vote. They are animals.
>>18683330>Russia has some migrants, but nowhere near what the rest of europe hasLol
>>18683040If everyone who doesn’t reproduce is a traitor is Hitler a traitor? Is Nietzsche?
>>18683367>Most come from former Soviet republics like Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, and Armenia.groups thats are all pretty much the same or similar genetically. Thanks.>And they were going down even before the mass migration happened.They weren't going down when they were an Ethnic supermajority. Whites were once 33% of the global population. Fertility rates began to decline when racial egalitarianism became state sanctioned.>>18683418Sure, I'm not opposed to War, I'm opposed to Immoral War, and so was Hitler. Hitler would invite War with enemies, but not seek war with kin. This is rather explicit in how frequently he jerks off the British Empire, who he sees as fundamentally German, and is evident by the amount of times he tried to deescalate conflict with Brittania.If you don't engage in any war, your enemies become strong, and you become weak.>Then there's Starship Troopers which is said to critique fascism but the director made it thrillingThe original book by Hienlien was far more neutral, exploring both the pros and cons.
>>18683445*Quantity migrants, not quality migrants.Russian Migrants aren't from third world shitholes as frequently as Britian importans Hindo Rape rats and Muslims cousin fuckers.>>18683447Allow me to clarify this. It is one metric among many. Gays are often pedophiles, spread disease, and typically marxists, they are enemies in more ways than one. Hitler and Nietzche did not have children, but they still contributed greatly to their people despite this.And for further elaboration, there is no morality in homosexuality period. A Homo erodes the very social fabric of society by his very nature.
>>18682871Speaking German and actually reading their own testimonies doesn't do much imo, the shit they were screeching about just doesn't really jive today, it was very much an immediate post-WWI and losing a war sort psychological phenomen that falls flat to any German who grew up in peace and prosperity and in a world without the Soviet Union for decades now.
>>18683447>>18683327I found some passages in Mien Kampf, I will cite them here as I find them rather profound, and might aid in the conversation. Quote:>"In certain circumstances, in periods of distress or under bad climatic conditions, or if the the soil yields too poor a return, Nature herself tends to check the increase of population in some countries and among some races, but by a mother which is quite as ruthless as it is wise. She does not impede the procreative faculty as such; but prevents the further existence of the offspring by submitting it to such tests and privations that all be the strongest and healthiest are forced to retreat into the bosom of the Unknown.">"Whatever survives these hardships has been etsted, and tried a thousandfold, hardened and rendered, fit to continue the process of procreation, so that the same process of selection will begin all over again. By thus dealing brutally with the individual and recalling him the very moment he shows that he is not fitted for the trials of life, Nature preserves the race and the species and raises it to the highest degree of efficiency. The descrease in numbers therefore implies an increase in strength as far as the individual is concerned, and this eventually means the invigoration of the species.">"The case is different when man himself starts the process of numerical restriction. Man is not made of the same stuff as Nature' He is "human", He knows better than the ruthless Queen of Wisdom; he does not impede the preservation of the individual but prevents procreation itself.">"To the individual who always sees himself and not the race, this line of action seems more humane and just than the opposite way, but unfortunately, the consequences are also the reverse."
>>18683509>"By leaving the process of procreation unchecked and by submitting the individual to the hardest preparatory tests of life, Nature selects the best from an abundance of single elements and stamps them as fit to live and carry on the conservation of the species.">"Man restricts the procreative faculty and strives obstinately to keep alive at any cost whatever has once been born. This correction of the Divine Will seems to him to be wise and Humane, and he rejoices at having trumped Nature's card in one game at least and thus proved that she is not entirely reliable.">"This little "Masterpiece" made by the Almighty does not like to be told that, although he has succeeded in limiting numbers, his system leads to the degeneration in the quality of the individual, for, as soon as the procreative faculty is thwarted and the number of births diminished, the natural struggle for existence, which allows only the healthy and strong individuals to survive; is replaced by a sheer craze to "save" feeble, and even diseased creatures at all cost.>"Thus are sown the seeds of a human progeny which will become more and more enfeebled from one generation to another, as long as Nature's will is scorned. If this policy is carried out, the final result will always be that such a nation will eventually terminate its own existence on this earth; for, though man may defy the eternal laws of procreation for a certain period, vengeance will follow sooner or later."End quote: Mein Kampf, Stalag Translation, Chapter 4, Passages 42-49, pages 111-112.Quite prophetic really.
>>18683012>working class>bankers, business owners and speculators
>>18681325Why don’t you read a fucking book you absolute shit head
>>18683576Provided they weren't Jewish, all of those benefitted greatly from Nazi administration, Hitler was a great friend of the (Aryan) usurer and tycoon. Worker's rights suffered, though significant party welfare could be said to have ameliorated that.
>>18681325Stephen Kotkin mentioned in his study of the Soviet Union he often didn't find reports of famine in the Soviet archives, but he was able to find articles about bread riots and civil discontent. Perhaps it would be better to study the smoke if their archivists had a habit of burning the files about the fire.
>>18681325MEFO was basically a bunch of IOUs that helped fund rearmament. That covers the military side of their economy. As for the civilian side, Hitler and the party simply got out of the way, or more pertinently, got the Versailles treaty out of the way, of German industrial potential and gave some much needed economic relief to the average German during the economic downturn of the 30s. This is an oversimplification, but as a general rule, pretty much everything that made the NSDAP popular with the civilian population was just the party making sensible, obvious changes. All of their more dubious economic policies were as a result of cold starting rearmament.
>>18681325Economics is closely related to psychologyI believe they tapped into phenomena of ‘you can endure the how if you have a why’Sooner or later reality would’ve come home, but they kept people in a delusion for a whileSimilar to US today; ‘sacrifice now for great retirement later’
>>18683509>>18683521If Hitler believed in such BS why didn't he support Weimar?
>>18681325I didn’t know this muscular guy holding tje hammer inside of a gear was an actual Nazi statue. I always thought it was just something Laibach made up.
>>18684086Because under Weimar the average german was being starved out through inflation, usury and being force to pimp out their children for food. >https://historycollection.com/17-reasons-why-germanys-weimar-republic-was-a-party-lovers-paradise/
>>18682817I've read a book about a jew who secretly worked as an engineer in a paint factory in Berlin for the duration of the war and they were complimenting him what a good aryan worker he is.
>>18684118The National socialists loved their Heldenkitsch and constipated übermenschen.>>18684146Some were bound to slip through the cracks. Though more glaringly, in the Terminal stage of the war they were using Hungarian Jews as workers, that's how dire their manpower problems were. Which is kind of funny because only a little before that they were absolutely burning potential manpower even in ventures that were intheory economical. (Like that SS labor-camp conglomerate that kept killing its prisoners so fast they actually tried to slow it down).
>>18684129Which would result in stronger natural selection, and thus make the German nation stronger, if the cited BS was true.
>>18684228That's what his death cult is really about. Weak men who understand that they are weak and then kill themselves in order to allow superior men to emerge to rule them. It's no different from other gangbangers.
>>18684228Because there is a difference between being a beggar on the street and a hardened farmer who suffered starvation.
>>18684228There is nothing natural about children dying because of famine and are psychologically broken from prostitution. His writing makes clear the distinction between Artifical Selection and Natural Selection, where in this case, selection imposed by societal conditions does not actually create stronger individuals.People don't know the difference between Natural and Artificial. and therefor fail to make this basic distinction where it counts.
>>18683441>there is no way to reason with them because they cannot measure reality, then there is no purpose in allowing them to voteThat's why I used them as an example. Example of a totalitarian regime, which forbids the freedom of speech and enslaves individuals to the authoritative figures. Not unlike Nazism, actually. Can you see now why the right to criticise the politicians and the state is important?No political system is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes. And, under a totalitarian government, no man dares to disagree with the leader. Which inevitably leads to the system's failure.>>18683441>I am a traitor to the modern AmericaYou are a traitor just because you have an opinion?
>>18683509The tl;dr is that Hitler didn't know how babbie is formed and seemed to have equaled "nature" to "The laws I put on the books."
>>18684228You saying Italy was full of Ubermensch perfect warriors.
>>18684732>His writing makes clear the distinction between Artifical Selection and Natural Selection, where in this case, selection imposed by societal conditions does not actually create stronger individuals.Yes, that seems like an opinion held by somebody leading the NSDAP and running a literal court system specifically for the legal control of procreation.
>>18683509>>18683521According to this, it's the Nazis who were weak, since they lost in...>the natural struggle for existence, which allows only the healthy and strong individuals to survive
>>18685012You call the men who defeated them nazis too man
>>18685012Losing a battle is not losing the entire war. Germany still exists post WW2 and it prospered, surpassing all the other European States despite the defeat.Meanwhile the USSR despite its victory slowly fell behind before it collapsed and left underdeveloped shitholes behind (and also discredited Communism as an ideology entirely). I admit, the Red Army was stronger than the Wehrmacht in the end, albeit due to factors independent from the Slavic race and communist ideology, but nonetheless stronger. However, the German race always persevered and that's also a testament of strength. Russia was given everything on a golden plate and look where they ended up.
>>18685069>muh german raceLol. American money and Turkish workforce.
>>18685090Britain and France received more of the Marshall Plan both in total and relative numbers while being much less devastated than Germany. Also lol, cope. Russia has one of the largest Turkish populations in Europe, for. May you enlighten me why the Turkish economic magic of kebab slop shops didn't work there?
>>18685128The UK and France also almost went socialist in 50's, which is retarded. While Germany had free market economy. And they used migrants for the chip labour, that's beneficial for the economy, too. Especially if you've just killed or maimed several millions of your own people for a delusion.
>>18685167>The UK and France also almost went socialistKeyword almost.>And they used migrants for the chip labourAnd the Soviets used Slave labour, they stilll were an impoverished shithole.>Especially if you've just killed or maimed several millions of your own people for a delusion.Germany's mortality rate was similar to much of Eastern and Balkan Europe besides Belarus, the Baltic States and Poland. Plus millions of German POW's were still in the Soviet Union until 1956 as slave labour (which I don't consider a morally reprehensible action by them Reds, but I digress).
>>18685180>Keyword almost.? You wanna say that a large scaled interference of the states into their markets didn't worsen the economy, because it's merely "almost" socialist? Lol.>the Sovietswere not a free market economy>Germany's mortality rate was similar toThe only thing that matters in this context is that the rates were high. This is why they had to import the migrant workforce.
>>18685208>You wanna say that a large scaled interference of the states into their markets didn't worsen the economy, because it's merely "almost" socialist?Maybe they shouldn't have been so dumb to vote these politicians then. >were not a free market economyAlso skill issue.>This is why they had to import the migrant workforce.Then the other European Countries should have also harnesses the magical power of turkish kebab slop shop to become the 4th strongest economy on the world because apparantly it is just that easy to import a few million Turks to easily surpass 95% of nations.
>>18685227simply put,free market + chip labour = good industrial economyNot only Germany did it, but also Japan, Korea, and China. The only difference is that they used their own people, since it was chip. Germany didn't have enough people to support the economic growth, that's why it had to import workforce.
>>18682839It's not that deep. Chuds hate "diversity" being forced upon the West. Then they see a homogenous White society without that "diversity". After consuming some memes and watching a couple of videos supportive of the assumed utopia they fully admire it.You can apply the same formula to pretty much every society that has a "cult following".
>>18685702>Then they see a homogenous White society without that "diversity"Do you think Nazi Germany was unique in that regard at the time?
>>18685069>nato is nazism reincarnatedNATO is the expression of American hegemony lmao
>>18684344>>18684732>>18685069The truth is that this struggle for survival is central to the jewish thought. Jews struggled for survival, and became strong, while christians degenerated by enforcing peace. This (supposedly) resulted in a creature that was towering above the rest of humanity, but was held down by the enforcement of peace, where it wasn't allowed to win. This is why they destroyed society, largely by dividing the people and driving them against each other, and enacted their own, version of society where people were free to compete. National Socialism threatened it by enforcing peace, and making everybody cooperate. The goal was to make all the world one nation, which lives in one Reich, where everybody follows Adolf Hitler The supposed genius of the jew was that he was able to foresee the degeneration this would bring, and saved the world by destroying germany. But, it wasn't sufficient to simply destroy it. The seeds of fake nazism were planted, and ostensibly supressed, with the plan thatit will be allowed to eventually reemerge, and its supposed sanity of the eternal struggle for resources and reproduction will prevail over the insanity of peace.
>>18682839The Epstein files have validated a lot of what Hitler said, unironically.
>>18685069>However, the German race always persevered and that's also a testament of strength.Germans are letting Arabs and blacks fuck their women, or is being a cuck some form of strength?
>>18685715>Do you think Nazi Germany was unique in that regard at the time?The thing is that in their mind the only reason Europe and the West are being flooded by browns is because Nazi Germany lost WW2, they think a German victory in WW2 would entail that a 21st century Europe would remain 99% homogenous(despite it being basically homogenous up until the Cold War ended but don't mention that)
>>18685876Ok. While people you describe are silly, I disagree with your reasoning for why they are so. Demographic changes being very recent doesn't disqualify a more distant historic event from being a catalyst. I would simply point to the French Revolution being a far stronger candidate for a grand cause than the Nazi defeat.
>>18685882>I would simply point to the French Revolution being a far stronger candidate for a grand cause than the Nazi defeat.I believe so to, I'm still iffy on if the Nazis were organic or not, considering they discredited every form of nationalism
>>18685886Meh. They certainly discredited the *label* of nationalism, but de facto they only discredited the blood-and-soil form of nationalism. Nationalism was a spawn of the French Revolution after all. Western liberals won't like to hear it but most of them are still nationalist. They may find flag displays to be icky but think about it - when a person ascribes high quality of life to a *system of government* rather than *quality of the people* - that's nationalism, because nationalism revolves around the state. Nationalism is what makes people still cling to "muh Constitution" even when it clearly failed, and nationalism is precisely what makes people say they believe in "values, not blood". So I don't really think too much about the Nazis and their defeat when it comes to the replacement of the west. Pro-nazis today like to try to divide nationalism into "civic nationalism" and "blood-and-soil nationalism" calling the former fake nationalism and the latter real nationalism, but they got it the other way around. What they call "civic nationalism" is really just "nationalism" while "blood-and-soil nationalism" is pretty much an oxymoron, an experiment which in my opinion was bound to fail.
>>18681325murder rape and pillage, that's why their economy broke down once there was nothing left to pillage
>>18685886>>18685912This statue that was recently installed in London is a great example in my opinion. It's a man blinded by a flag. Ostensibly, and no doubt the artist's intention, this statue opposes all forms tribalism, be it ethnic or otherwise, and the implicit message boils down to "we should not have borders, let's have a world government".But the reason I like this statue is because it encapsulates the failures of nationalism. You can have your country change its identity, but as long as the hostiles are wearing the national symbols as a skinsuit you'll be pacified - blinded by your flag.
>>18685920I wonder if there is some reason why people generally organize themselves into distinct nations and live apart from one another? Fortunately I don't have to worry about these questions and their nuisance, because the government installs helpful public monuments that wipe the thought from my mind. I'm so glad that I live at the end of history and war, otherwise I would be completely unprepared for the world I have created!
>>18685876>the only reason Europe and the West are being flooded by browns is because Nazi Germany lost WW2Merkel literally said she imported the third world to combat the 'far right', which in her mind is synonymous with nazism.
>>18685920Look at this flag. By the time it was adopted in 1960, old-stock Americans were already less than 50% of the population in their own country, and it was far from the end of their decline. And yet they revered it and treated it an expression of their own sovereignty. Hell, in America's case with the flags changing over time it should have made it easier for them to detach their sentiments! But they still chose to cling to their institutions and symbols. I know that there are still a few Americans who identify more with the Betsy Ross flag, but even so, that flag could have easily remained uninterrupted to this day and it would not have meant their country has not been taken away from them.
>>18686155meant for >>18686051
>>18685912Blood and soil wasn't a nationalist idea. It meant that you own the land you till, and your children inherit it, no exceptions. So that a jew can't get it and make you pay for working.
>>18685912>"blood-and-soil nationalism" is pretty much an oxymoronThe general idea is that nationalism isn't just loyalty to a political institution, but to the land the people that live upon it.Codreanu illustrated this perfectly by arguing that Romanians had a responsibility to the people buried in the land, the people living on the land, and the future generations that would later come to inherit it. In this way there was a deep spiritual component to nationalism which is ignored today.
>>18686335Well ask yourself, if this deep spiritual component was lacking from the original and most prominent 'form' of nationalism from the French Revolution to this day, would it not be fair to say that it's the default form of nationalism? And attempting to marry nationalism with blood-and-soil was an experiment?
>>18686995I think it's wrong to assume that nationalism only came into existence after the French revolution. All European nations have prioritized blood-and-soil at one point, it just wasn't turned into a political slogan.The Nazi's entire schtick was RETVRNing to socialized agrarian german communities, which was impossible so long as they couldn't become independent from their cosmopolitan debtors. Communist agitators hurting people and bribing their kids with food in exchange for sexual acts didn't help the situation.
>>18687446>All European nations have prioritized blood-and-soil at one point, it just wasn't turned into a political slogan.Blood-and-soil is not nationalism.
>>18687476That's certainly an opinion.
>>18687516It's the truth. I laid it out itt already.
>>18687446Which is why they built highways, started the first TV broadcast in history, made cheap cars available, made rockets, jet planes, submarines, and whatever else. Right? >>18687516See>>18686312
>>18687892It was explicitly a nationalist idea. Don't be retarded.
>>18688102It meant that you own the land you till. It meant that nobody could parasitize on you by owning the land instead, and making you pay for allowing you to work it, and it meant that your children inherit it. What exactly is nationalist about that?
>>18682857>how weak they were>one shotted Poland>one shotted France, largest army by materiel on the planet at the time>fought England to a standstill>one shotted Denmark in six hours, Yugoslavia in four>nearly one shotted Russia (something contemporary NATO never could do)>one shotted 5/6 Soviet meme states>fought the Soviets to a standstill>held off a long defeat for half a decadeThey were by far the strongest race on the planet and it’s not even close.
>>18687892>Which is why they built highways,Weimar project. Same as the re-armament.The Nazi were cuckoos, parasites even. Couldn't win an election, couldn't get anywhere without both the conservative and social democrats selling out the nation.>made cheap cars availableThey didn't. The Volkswagen project was completed postwar, with british money. During the Nazi regime, it was a scam, with delivery date being: "Once the Millennial Reich has been attained."
>>18682839They were overtly critical of liberalism, modernity, leftism, communism, and capitalism, and their offshoots in hyper-individualism, anti-racism, and social amorality.These are the sacred cows of the modern Western world and they are extremely harmful to the ecology of human communities.This is not to say the Nazis were the perfect medieval ideal, but rather they weren’t endlessly coping about modernity and admitted its problems and tried to counteract them.
>>18682857This is projection.>>18682864This is projection.>>18685702While lefties do get one shotted by Nebula, Chuds do not.Most often Chuds go on a years long journey digging into obscure history and pulling on threads before moving away from the anti-White cult.
>>18683160>refute anythingThere were no claims made in this post>>18682839
>>18682994Stalin was the Nick Fuentes of his time unironically.
>>18683035>Hitler chose warHe actually chose trade but Judea chose war in 1934 lol.Jabotinsky the leader of an international Jewish paramilitary declared war on Germany.
>>18688102You falsely equate nationalism with all forms of tribalism. Not only is that false, but the default form of nationalism(which you call "civic nationalism" but it really is just default nationalism) has been used to undermine ethno-religious tribalism again and again.
the idiot nazis would print government bills, that supossedly could be cashed, but in reality they never planned to pay, so when they finally had to pay they had to invade other countries to plunder their resources in order to pay those finance bills
>>18688855Austrian school spergs have been doom-mongering for decades now. That debt ceiling will keep getting raised. Nazis didn't have to invade anyone, the living-space desire was because they were stuck in a backwards mentality and were ignorant of the enormous advancement industrial farming made, especially the Haber Process. The rest of their motivations were based on racial theory.
mefo bills were the biggest economical scam of the XXth century. The whole of nazi period just showed huwhites arent superior ubersmench, but idiots who could follow any insane tyrant as long as he sung what the huwhites want to hear (that they're "superior"
>>18683002>few scientists from a minority were responsible for all German ProgressTrue, but also consider thisThe Haber-Bosch process was essential for the German war effort in WWI. They had next to no access to nitrates needed for explosives, unlike the Entente. The Entente had all the access to them, and could (and did) blockade the German access to nitrates.Luckily the Haber-Bosch process was ready for large scale production in early 1914.So while I do agree that one scientist probably won't make a big difference, they sometimes very very much doAlso, funnily enough, Haber was a Jew, and very patriotic towards Germany
>>18688803>the default form of nationalism has been used to undermine ethno-religious tribalism again and againOnly in regards to outsiders decidedly choosing to colonize their host nations.
>>18686995>>18687446The "blood and soil" stuff came out of a Romantic conception of the Volk as a bio-cultural organism that is connected to the land in a particular area in some unique way. It's worth noting that German attempts to do the equivalent of the French Revolution failed. I don't think it's a big controversy to say geography influences culture but they took it further.BTW in India there are Hindutva people (which is like Hindu power fascism) who reject the Indo-Aryan migration thesis. That's the widely shared view among historians that their ancestors migrated to India thousands of years ago. They reject this because it goes against their belief in Hindus having eternal / organic / spiritual ethno-cultural roots there. Also by implication non-Hindus especially Muslims are enemies in this schema and they can justify killing themhttps://youtu.be/RtN0m5i0dQo
>>18688967>Only in regards to outsiders decidedly choosing to colonize their host nations.While keeping all the institutions and national snymbols intact! That's the failure of nationalism, it serves as a super-effective camouflage for foreigners and traitors to change your country right under your nose.
>>18682858Throughout the 1930's. The Nazi government would routinely find a new group to declare enemies of the state, confiscate all their wealth and property, and redistribute it to the Industrialists/Bankers/Inner Circle, and once that injection of capital ran out, they would move on to the next group. While Jews are of course the most well known group that had all their property stolen, they were by no means the only one.
>>18689050Not very accurate. Early Nazi years were actually pretty subdued on the whole enemies-of-the-state thing. Hitler focused on appeasing the international community ahead of the Berlin olympics, which led many within the party to accuse him of being too soft. Since that period was also when Germany's economic recovery occurred and Hitler's popularity was at its highest(his post-Kristallnacht and Poland-invasion approvals did see slight, if insignificant, dips) your thesis falls apart.It's good that you're at least one of those aware that confiscating people's wealth and redistributing them is a wicked practice.
>>18689072And that "Economic Recovery" was due to emptying the state treasury and gold reserves, thus necessitating the seizure of assets from other groups like Czechs, Jews, etc to keep the sham going.
>>18689128Okay, so you add a new complexity that it was a part of a chain reaction. Nevertheless it's wrong to claim that the initial recovery was due to confiscating wealth of persecuted groups.
>>18689128>>18689336>they took the money from otherswrong, they ran their economy on productivity, Germany overproduced and outproduced every other individual country in Europe by a huge margin and came to surpass even the USSR, a collective of countries.>they stole jewish goldno such gold existed>they stole Czech goldThe """"""Czech""""" gold was stolen from Austria in 1919, Germany at the absolute worst only reimbursed themselves with AUSTRIA'S gold for rebuilding Austria.
>>18689050>redistribute it to the Industrialists/Bankers/Inner Circle,This literally never happened, lefties just say this because National Socialism was impeccable in its pro-labor economic policy so lefties have a difficult time squaring the circle of racist but also economically far-left.>but da state subsidized heckin kruppyeah and the USSR and US and Britain all subsidized their own big productive industries.
>>18688867>>18688855I have an alternative hypothesis, the Germans and Poles went to war because Poles, like all slavs, are incapable of diplomacy with humans.
>>18689439You might be memeing but there's truth there. Most countries getting increasingly squeezed between 2 rival giants would rush to ally with one against the other but the Poles chose the third way of Britain for some reason, so the 2 giants picked it apart.
