What do you think happens after death ??? Nothingness ??? Some kind of an afterlife ??? If so, what is it like ???
>>18687019After you die you burn forever unless you submit to a tyrant in the clouds.t. most people in the world.
>>18687019We will be raised and judged, then live transformed in God's Kingdom.
This is what the Bible teaches. I find it hard to believe but I try to believe in it anyway since there is nothing else.
Nothing happens when you dieThere is no afterlife
>>18687328How can you be so sure?
>>18687330Everything you consider “you” is a product of brain activity. When the brain activity stops so do you
>>18687330how can you be sure something happens?until I see decisive evidence which convinces me that something does, I default to there being nothingAnyway I'm not here to argue, I'm just answering OP's question with my own belief
>>18687331>Everything you consider “you” is a product of brain activity.Did you learn this or do you presume this?
>>18687019There are a lot of fundamental and philosophical issues with an afterlife. For one, if there was an afterlife, dying shouldn't be necessary to get there, which in and of itself should be a hint that it's just a cope for fear of death. For another, living forever may not be desirable anyways, living longer sure, but not forever
>>18687331That's what I thought before I got into the occult. Now I don't know anymore. Afterlife is a hard sell for me but who knows. I've seen things.>>18687332Okay then. Let's not argue.
>>18687019I don't know. I kind of hope there is one. I'm pretty sure Hell is bogus though. Invented to scare people into compliance. Also not even supported by the bible. If there is an afterlife, then the common concept of Heaven does not really make that much sense either. Imagine being conscious and stuck in a place for as long as the universe has existed and that time multiplied with infinity. Not just thousands, or millions, but quadrillions of years.Either our minds would have to change fundamentally or there is some kind of reincarnation involved once you had enough. Or at some point it would turn into a different kind of hell.>just going by facts and logicThe materialist answer is that you simple stop existing when your brain stops working.
>>18687019Absolutely nothing. I think consciousness is a byproduct of the brain and not some ethereal soul, so when brain activity ceases then consciousness and all experience will also cease.
>>18687019I just want an isekai adventure after death.
>>18687375Proof? It seems like it to me too but where's the proof though. Just because something appears a certain way doesn't mean it's the case.
>>18687387Lol
>>18687389I've seen supernatural things. I know materialism can 'feel' very obvious. But that's just an appearance.
>>18687395If it's not a secret, what did you see? I've had minor experiences myself, but never visual.
>>18687415I genuinely couldn't talk for a couple minutes after saying something blasphemous. Like Zachariah, the father of John the Baptist.My female friend foretold my dog's death using Tarot.What did you experience?
>>18687395Wishful thinking.
>>18687426I'd actually like there to be nothing more. Used to be really into the Epicurean idea of death not being something to fear (as it's not an experience). But I don't know anymore. I'm slightly scared of hell now if anything.
>>18687437Delusional
>>18687387Where else would consciousness be stored?>>18687395I've experienced supernatural things as well, or rather had experienced that I perceived to be supernatural.. They can be very easily explained by my brain acting differently at the time as a result of high doses of psychedelics.
>>18687331What about dream and paranormal events?
>>18687453Both of those are brain activity.
>>18687444>Where else would consciousness be stored?I'm not a Platonist. I don't believe in the immarerial sovl. But maybe there's one. I'm just not pretending to know.I've never done hard drugs or psychedelics.
>>18687423That's interesting. I had various bodily reactions, such as feeling something "flow" through me as though there were literal reservoirs of water opening up or a river flowing out of my insides. It sounds vague, but it's a very specific feeling and you'll know it immediately. It happened once during prayer and the second time when I was alone in nature, focusing on being spiritually present. The latter was much more flow-y.
>>18687458>I'm not a Platonist. I don't believe in the immarerial sovl. But maybe there's one. I'm just not pretending to know.I'm not claiming that I know for a fact, which is why I prefaced my original statement by saying "I think." It just seems like the simplest and most plausible explanation that our consciousness is a byproduct of our brain activity and not some supernatural, undetectable, unmeasurable spirit. It's clearly not stored in the hair, because people can shave, it's clearly not stored in the hand, because people can survive having it removed, just like a kidney or a lung. We do however know that just mere damage to the brain can result in severe changes in personality and perception. It also seems clear to me that it is the organ that makes sense of all sensory inputs, memories and whatnot.
Every human can understand that before they were born they were nothing, or at least they didn't remember. This requires no religion and no spirituality. It is a question anybody can ponder.So, what can we observe about people who die? They seem to stop existing. They seem to return to nothing.But if we came from nothing, and we go back to nothing, who says we cannot come back again?As you can see, this primitive hypothesis requires ZERO religion, ZERO spiritualitt, ZERO voodoo shit. All it requires is observation and introspection about your own, personal life
>>18687479Yeah. That's why I'm gonna believe in magick and not the sovl. The sovl most likely doesn't exist.
>>18687485If you come back again maybe it's just your copy? As there's no continuity.
>>18687485>But if we came from nothing, and we go back to nothing, who says we cannot come back again?Because once the incredibly specific arrangement of atoms that constitute you become disrupted it would be incredibly difficult if not impossible to put all of them back in that specific order. If that was possible then philosophers would argue endlessly if it was truly you or just a clone of you, because continuity was clearly broken.
I am eternal. My body may die, and my mind may or may not be erased along with it, but I will persist, as I have always persisted, without beginning and without end.
"Don't flaunt your subjectively self-evident immortality in front of the mortals," they said. "None of them will want to be your friend if you keep doing that," they said. They were right :(
>>18687019You get judged and in all likelihood get sent to hell, this board has no salvation
>>18687335I learnt it the hard way
Sensation and consciousness cease and your body starts the long process of decay. Lights out, forever.
>>18687019>What do you think happens after death?Your loved ones continue the legacy. This happens after your life. Hense, the "afterlife". This is why self indulgent people don't believe in it. Once they realise that it's not about them, they stop believeling in it.
>>18688435>This is why self indulgent people don't believe in it. Once they realise that it's not about them, they stop believeling in it.What?
>>18687019I believe there is an afterlife and I am more inclined to think that its optimistic, but I can never say for sure.either way, i might as well do good and be good until my time has come
>>18687496>>18687493You can apply that logic to sleep to be honest.>>18687479The thing about the brain is that it's surprisingly super flexible despite a ton of the infrastructure behind it being based off super dated evolutionary material from way before mammalian times. As seen with how the brain interfaces with bionic prosthetics quite well and many instances of people still being totally functional despite having a pancake for a brain. It's still a total mystery.
>>18687353>Also not even supported by the bible.A lot of what people think is hell is basically fictional headcanon that people for some reason took as fact (Dante's Inferno), or a monk/bishop/cardinal writing about what an afterlife of one who has shunned God from their life would entail and thinking it was "hell" rather than an (after)life absent of God.For a materialist answer there's a lot of different and interesting possible takes on it that vary on how they treat the brain.
>>18688442If you care about your loved ones, who continue to live after you die, then that is the "afterlife" for you. Its what happens after your life ends. If you define "afterlife" any other way, then you are making it about yourself, wich is self indulgent.
>>18687485>introspection about your own, personal lifeSee, this person is obsessed on self introspection. They are not thinking about what happens to their loved ones after they personally die. Instead, they are obsessed on their own experience as it becomes nothing. The afterlife means nothing to this person, and they stop believeing in it.A selfless person doesn't think about the afterlife this way. They think about their loved ones, and what will happen to them after their own life ends. The afterlife is about their loved ones, not their own personal nothingness.
>>18688452>You can apply that logic to sleep to be honest.Sleeping doesn't physically destroy your body, your body and brain are still intact, just temporarily working in a different way. That's markedly different from ceasing to exist and then being recreated with no continuity later.>>18688452>The thing about the brain is that it's surprisingly super flexible despite a ton of the infrastructure behind it being based off super dated evolutionary material from way before mammalian times. As seen with how the brain interfaces with bionic prosthetics quite well and many instances of people still being totally functional despite having a pancake for a brain. It's still a total mystery.I don't think the idea that you can survive without the full volume of your brain is evidence that consciousness is not stored there. You can function with only one kidney or lung as well, but that doesn't mean the remaining lung isn't responsible for taking up oxygen.
>>18688476>If you care about your loved onesYou can care about them, but also realize and have to grapple with the fact they could (and often times did) blunder multiple generations of work and effort, or outright turn evil. Which is honestly pretty hellish to witness in multiple ways.>If you define "afterlife" any other way, then you are making it about yourself, wich is self indulgent.Why is being "self-indulgent" bad and how is your approach and less self-indulgent. It still hinges on legacy.
>>18688501>I don't think the idea that you can survive without the full volume of your brain is evidence that consciousness is not stored there.It means consciousness is much more complex then we think. All we do vaguely know the whole and maybe the individual parts theoretically, but a fuckton of the emergent properties of the entire system is basically a black box.As for the dream parts yeah the continuity part was iffy on my end. When we are asleep we are totally unconscious to everything around us but various forms of brain activity still go on. A coma would be a somewhat better approximation to compare too, but it only works in displaying the whole consciousness discontinuity then a spontaneous spawning into life.
>>18688941>It means consciousness is much more complex then we think. All we do vaguely know the whole and maybe the individual parts theoretically, but a fuckton of the emergent properties of the entire system is basically a black box.I'm trying to figure out what your position and what our disagreement is. Do you not think that the by far most reasonable explanation is that our consciousness is an emergent property of our brains? Is there anything about the fact that one can be conscious even with reduced brain volume (compared to an average human) that makes this less likely? What other explanation could there be that seems plausible, except the regular undetectable, unmeasurable ethereal spirit?>As for the dream parts yeah the continuity part was iffy on my end. When we are asleep we are totally unconscious to everything around us but various forms of brain activity still go on. A coma would be a somewhat better approximation to compare too, but it only works in displaying the whole consciousness discontinuity then a spontaneous spawning into life.A coma is still not a good comparison because there is still a clear continuity. If someone with sci-fi technology made a perfect scan of your body down to the atomic level and used completely different atoms from the other part of the universe to make a 100% identical replica of you, say 1,000,000,000 years after you died and were cremated then there's clearly no continuation. It's just a clone of you. It would have all your memories and your personality, but it wouldn't be 'you' you. If they made a copy while you were still alive you would claim that you were you and the other you is not really you but a copy, no? I'm not saying it's not an interesting question on a philosophical level, I'm just casting doubt on the idea that 'we' can be returned from the dead.
>>18687019I think it's something akin to what Sumerians believed, that when our soul leaves our body it passes through phases or "gates" in a process of karma/reincarnation.
It will be just like before you were born.Where does a mosquito go when you crush it? We are no different than mosquitos, we are the same biological matter.
>>18687019The thread>What do you think the afterlife isAlso the thread>I'm right your wrong!>How can you possibly believe nothing happens after death?!!! >COPEHoly shit you guys are so fucking insufferable, you have to make everything turn into a debate and mockery.
