I'm fed up with the insufferable ignorance surrounding the biblical account of the afterlife.Get an education for crying out loud.>The true rendering of Daniel 12:2-3, in connection with the context, is "And (at that time) Many (of thy people) Shall awake (or be separated) out from among the sleepers in the earth dust. THESE (who awake) shall be unto life everlasting, but THOSE (who do not awake at that time) shall be unto shame and contempt everlasting."
>>18688219There he is, Enjoy-Hell-Anon, thats the adversary.
>>18688219>Danielhttps://youtu.be/Qf3GEca34yQ
>>18688600Some men learn a lot from YouTube videos.Like you, Anon.
>>18688609>It can also be demonstrated in Chapter 11, which speaks of unidentifiable future kings of the north and south.>>18688219>Daniel 12:2-3
>>18688615Are you diagnosed?
I rember this now;>The king of the South will become strong, but one of his commanders will become even stronger than he and will rule his own kingdom with great power.Then from the YouTube™ it shows the kings lineages intermarrying;>The daughter of the king of the South will go to the king of the North to make an alliance
>>18688645Why don't you answer whether or not you're diagnosed?Low self esteem?
>One from her family line will arise to take her place. He will attack the forces of the king of the North and enter his fortress; he will fight against them and be victorious.>He will also seize their gods, their metal images and their valuable articles of silver and gold and carry them off to Egypt.>>18688640Are you OP?
>>18688651Are you diagnosed?Answer plainly.
>>18688655>Answer plainly.IS THIS YOUR THREAD OR NOT?>>18688219>THOSE (who do not awake at that time) shall be unto shame and contempt everlasting>>18688615>2023-03-05_01.06.16.jpg"Its not Hell, its just desolation for all eternity."Makes me think of;>Deuteronomy 7:3-4: Explicitly forbids giving daughters to or taking daughters from the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, warning that foreign spouses would lead Israelites away from Yahweh to serve other gods.Funnily enough, since theyve already mixed repeatedly, I can read it both ways, as carrying off to Egypt implies a "non-North/South" point, making part of either side on a central side that theyre fighting over (muli-polar).Thats why they call Trump a Russian asset, even though Hillary sold them Uranium and such.>>18688655...or you can accept a Materialist (Cubic Platonist) worldview and watch the video, by Rabbi Dr. David Moster, Grand Pharisee of the Sanhedrin.
EXACTLY like the "witting on the wall" mentioned in Daniel...What Does It Mean, Though?!
>>18688696>the "witting on the wall"
OP here. Thread not going as I had hoped.
>>18688735>OP here.>published in 1937Its the Age of Aquarius now.
>>18688763>the Age of Aquarius
>>18688782https://youtu.be/B7Wf5kE-YoAThe "solution" to polarity that repeatedly comes up throughout history. Where as I read it it means not "intermarrying"; >>18688696And echos; >Genesis 6:1–4: The primary mention states that the Nephilim were on the earth before the flood, born from the union between the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men,"
>>18688817>The "solution" to polarity that repeatedly comes up throughout history.>Surah Al-Qamar 54:1>"The Hour has drawn near and the moon was split [in two].">Surah Al-Ahzab, 33:40> "Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but is the Messenger of Allah and the seal of the prophets. And Allah has knowledge of all things."Why would Muhammed need to tell other men he isnt their Father?>John 14:26>"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you."Idk, fuq u, pay me.
>>18688219Depends on the gospel...>Mark & Matthew>the chosen get resurrected and get to live in angel-like bodies in the Kingdom of God>the rejected just stay dead (and get eaten by the worm etc.)>Luke>your soul exists separate from your body and you get placed in Hades until the kingdom comes>there is a nice side in Hades for believers ("Abraham's bosom")>there is a not very nice side in Hades for everyone else (basically Tartarus)>Luke doesn't say what happens after judgement>John>once you follow Jesus you are immediately immortal>you get to stay in God's House until judgement day after your death (in heaven presumably)>everybody else stays dead until judgement day when they get resurrected for judgement>those who pass get resurrected permanently>those who fail perish (permanent death)So yeah, no hell in the gospels. Maybe worth mentioning is the Book of Revelation:>"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." - Revelation 20:14Probably means perishing along the lines of the John gospel.
>>18688835>those who fail perish (permanent death)Permanent or perpetual?
>>18688850Permanent destruction of body and soul. As opposed to "eternal life".
Oh, look, a Temple fell just after.
>>18688835>>"Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." - Revelation 20:14>Probably means perishing along the lines of the John gospel.You're omitting the parts of the same book where it's stated plainly that the people thrown in the lake of fire are tortured eternally.
>>18688763>>18688782>>18688817OP hereGlad you are learning from the book I shared. It's a classic
>>18688835>Depends on the gospel...No it doesn't. You're just hopelessly ignorant.
>>18688219>shame and contempt>>18688856>destructionHow can the [no longer exists] be shamed or be contemptible, thats like hate-worshipping the dead.>perishLike?;>mot tamut: dying you shall die (or "you will surely die")WOW...just found this;>The Hebrew phrase mot tamut means "you shall surely die" or "dying you shall die," based on the primitive verb root muth (מוּת) which means "to die".My ex-wife's maiden name is Muth.......she is kosher. HA!
>>18688873How are you finding the book? Very edifying amirite?
>>18688862Not that I put much stock in the Book of Revelation, but where does it say that?The only mention of someone getting tortured forever is the devil.>>18688868Says the guy with no counter-arguments or quotes. Clutching your pearls much?>>18688873>How can the [no longer exists] be shamed or be contemptible, thats like hate-worshipping the dead.Jesus is quoting Isaiah 66:24"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”So yeah, it's dead bodies. It is what it is.
>>18688880Just read the book or stay ignorant. Doesn't matter to me
>>18688863>learningLol, no. Its antiquated and poorly researched compared to my own research. Notice how he keeps mentioning various other researchers? He is trying to parse an understanding of his era among the other understandings.>>18688763>Its the Age of Aquarius now."This" Age passed, its "that" Age now.>>18688877>edifyingIts topical and of his "Era of Gentile & Jew"...very WW2-ish world order understanding. Its also hyper-focused on minor details in an attempt to pinpoint prophecy in specificity, pages dedicated to "the last day" and if it meant the last day of "this age or that age", "what about the saints?" (pages more).>>18688880>dead bodies>will not dieExcuse (You).>Isaiah 14>The realm of the dead below is all astir to meet you at your coming;...>“You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us.”
>>18688906You're a disappointment.
>>18688909I say the same to your G-d.
>>18688911God hasn't revealed himself to me, so I have no real convincing reasons to believe. I'm just studying theology so that I'm ready in case he ends up revealing himself to me.
>>18688880>the worms that eat them will not dieOk, "the worms" will not die. But my Isaiah verse stands nonetheless.Because why would a corpse care about worms, or fire, or shame?
>>18688906Doesn't change the fact that Jesus was talking about dead bodies in Mark 9. That section often gets misrepresented to argue for eternal damnation. >And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown onto Gehenna, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'For context: Gehenna is a garbage pit where trash is burned. Many translations will insert "Hell" here, instead of keeping the Greek term.Isiah 66:24 again for context:>"And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
>>18688917>studying theology so that I'm readyLike a Pharisee?>You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, Its all around you and in you and always has been.> I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him.Alexander Reese, Marshall, Morgan, and Scott?
>>18688929>dead>>18688873>mot tamut>"for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."Did Adam and Eve "die" or become "damned"?>misrepresented to argue for eternal damnationI dont understand, they "die" but are shamed and tortured but thats not "Hell" just "sleeping until Tribulation"?...but also after? Because "eternal"?
>>18688906>“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman.>“You also have become weak, as we are; you have become like us.”Like "the damned".>>18688219>shall be unto shame and contempt everlasting.">Genesis 3:8-10>"...I was afraid because I was naked, so I hid.”Shamed into hiding and "dead".
>>18688940Not tortured, just loathed by mankind. Might seem silly now, but people used to care how they were remembered.Eternal because they will not be resurrected. Instead they get eaten by worms and are burned like trash. No second life for them. >Did Adam and Eve "die" or become "damned"?They died eventually... They were also cursed once God finds out. Also the snake and the "ground" get cursed. At least if you take it literally. Which you probably shouldn't.
>>18688954>Not tortured>>18688929>the fire that burns them will not be quenched"Perpetually cremated"?>just loathed by mankindDo you loath the dead of yestercentury?>care how they were rememberedLike Pharaohs?>No second life for them.Born again Christian? After being "born again"....what do the others, like you were before, look like?
>Your body will be burned...but it never turns to ashes, your urn remains empty!>The worms eat you...but you never return to dust, it still stinks![barf]...oh God, the huemanity!
>>18688935Stfu imbecile
>>18689049Are you; >>18688917 ?
>>18688911>I say the same to your G-d.Because if you are then this post was accurate...>>18688935>Like a Pharisee?...because of this one...There he is, Enjoy-Hell-Anon, thats the adversary.
>>18689055Yes
>>18688935>Like a Pharisee?I'm not that advanced, just a regular guy trying to make sense of it all.
>>18689095>Sadducee/Pharisee hybrid "culturally Christian" SemiteENJOY-HELL-ANON! DAMNIT, WHERE ART THOU?!?
>>18689103I wish you could be normal but clearly you can't
>>18689100>advancedDevolved*.>trying to make sense of it allLol, no youre not...youre domineering while ignorant and your desire to seem wise to strangers makes you ignore wisdom beyond your desires.>>18689106>I wish you could be normal>>18689100>just a regular guyYoure like the dead...and confuse your death as normal, so when you see the living you believe it to be wrong simply because "its not like you".You, hueman-mortal, truly see yourself as the Measure of Man to which souls bear judgement from?
>>18689127Ok trip fag you win.
>>18689150By which I actually mean that I accept you have ruined this thread with your bullshit and I hate you
>>18688219The Argument that might have value to argue is that the Heavens & Hells of Dante & Swedenborg are Spiritual Platonic Ideas that have Correspondences and Metaphors with the Buddhist Idea of the Tantras and this is not only a dispute that also brings up Aristotle and drains the Argument and Debate to Create the Image and Bild which then leaves only the bare alien surface of things because Dante claims that all Heaven & Hell is the shape of a Globe and that that Globe is capable of getting mathematically described and also that OK what Dante also talking is this underworld Katabasis and that during the divine Commedia Dante is always making Judgments on all the Individuals and Personalities and Myths that Dante as the Pilgrims finds and Dante’s judgements are supposed to be eternal or timeless like these are Dante’s revelations through Beatrice’s beauty and intercessions to get guided through higher stages of the mind and Burckhardt talks about how Renaissance Art does this a lot part from just looking mapping thing and painting Persian rugs and creating Platonic solids and that is often the situation where Dante is moving through this universe that is also astrological and that this Spiritual Universe were also Governed by the Movements of Ptolemy’s Universe which was a Physical Universe and not the Ideal Spiritual Universe of Dante though more Ideal than the physical universe of Dante and Dante’s Contemporaries of that time and and that when during Dante’s Commedia when Dante’s character Dante the Pilgrim is making Judgements is also another time of Dante being open to the astrological and spiritual or spiritual or astrological or other influence of the eternal that when Dante was making Judgements might manifest through the cracked creative understanding and molding that came out of this whole thing of Dante’s Pilgrims making Judgements and having Conversations and that sort of Thing and also getting onto all other sort of scraps also
