Why has it been an irrelevant shithole for the past 2000 years?
?GREECE WAS FOUNDED IN THE XIX CENTURY.
>>18689238Irrelevant? They help staff the impressive administrative body of the Eastern Roman Empire all the way to the Fall of Constantinople.As for the modern Greek state, they seemed to have been fucked over and betrayed, especially in the Greco-Turkish War
>>18689238Once, it was greeks taking sex slaves from menaBut based luwian turks revolted and fucked Greek mummas like slavic barbars did before them, fucking them up totally
>>18689245Eastern rome became irrelevant once they lost egypt and levant and once they lost anatolia aswell and only had greece left they became even more irrelevant.
>>18689251What standard are we using to measure relevancy here?
>>18689251Ah yeah, after they lost anatolia they...started the Crusades. Incredibly relevant for any study of medieval europe, unless your yardstick is "who had the biggest land" in order to compensate for small dick troubles.And btw, even after losing Anatolia, for most of medieval history they had western Turkey, Greece, parts of Crete, and most of Bulgaria and the Balkans. This is already a larger Empire than their contemporaries, the "Holy" "Roman" "Empire", the patchwork that was Italy, the fractured land of Spain....
>>18689269>after they lost anatolia they...started the CrusadesYou mean begged for help?
>>18689282You mean...ask for a few hundred mercs from the Pope as they'd done several times before in order to fight the Turks, only for the Pope and the kings of europe to turn into the tweaking Rabbi meme and instead send in a Crusader army of many thousands to "reclaim the Holy Land"?
>>18689288You mean twenty thousand mercs that conquered anatolia back for them on the way to the holyland?
>>18689288Yeah, like...so? They asked for mercs and got some. Also initiated the Crusades on the way.>inb4 Eastern Romans weakThey used mercs from the Bulgars, renegade Saracens, Vikings (Varangians) long before the Crusades. Nothing new for them.
after alexander conquered persia they sent all their capable men to egypt and anatolia, leaving greece only with tiny shepherds. after the muslim conquests the good greeks were cut off completely and we were left with the useless vlachs
>>18689238they got kebab'd and have never been the same
>>18689253Nta but the only one that matters. Power
Turks are so much more powerful and relevant than the reeks is not even funnyBasically Istanbulians alone could conquer the entirety of Greece on a 1x1
>>186892382,000 years of getting politically (and if you were a greek boy <15, literally) fucked in the ass
>>18689238The Byzantine empire was pretty important until the 1204 sack of Constantinople at least, that really fucked them over.
>>18689330Nobody asked for Crusader gypsies to squat on Byzantine land. It's a good thing the fucked off quickly to go die in the Holy land.
>>18690034The emperor literally asked them to
It's hilarious how braindead timmies don't want to accept the fact that the Eastern Roman empire was a Greek empire kekThe only reason they didn't use the word Hellene was because it was associated with the practicers of the ancient Greek pagan religion which was a big no no especially during their prosecutions
>>18690645>The only reason they didn't use the word Hellene was because it was associated with the practicers of the ancient Greek pagan religion which was a big no no especially during their prosecutionsBtw this is why Gemistos Plethon wanted to revive Hellenic paganism since the "Roman" identity clearly wasn't working out for them and because it was tied heavily to Orthodox Christianity
I made your flag more kino.
>>18690909Is this loss?
>>18690801ONE GUY
>>18690645>Eastern Roman empire was a Greek empire kekNo wonder it was an incompetent corupt shithole
