would israel still have been successfully created if WW2 and the holocaust didn't happen, or were they necessary for giving the zionist militias legitimacy and impetus? also, please no conspiracy nonsense in this thread! it's a serious question.
>>18690041They'd have still been created and supported by the west/UN (it was on it's way since even before the Balfour Declaration), but it's likely that they'd have had to take a deal that was also acceptable to the Palestinians or neighboring Arab states (ie, it would have actually fulfilled the Balfour Declaration). So it would be a smaller state geographically, but they'd have been much more peaceful.
>>18690041They would get expelled by British authority
There wouldn't have been a massive migration of Jews into the holy land otherwise. They wouldn't have been able to take over.
>>18690041i think probably not?a big factor to consider is jewish immigration to palestine. in 1931 there were 175,000 jews in palestine, 17% of the population,.in 1936 there were 384,000, in 1939 there were 450,000, and in 1945 there were 550,000 jews, 31% of the population.as you can see, in that 14 year time period, the jewish population more than doubles and their share of the population almost doubles. most of this growth can be attributed to immigration, especially from germany in the context of the nuremberg laws. i think WW2 is pretty much inevitable if hitler takes power, so if it doesn't happen that probably means no NSDAP and no nuremberg laws. that being the case, there would simply be much fewer jews in palestine. the militias would have less manpower, and establishing a jewish state would require much a more aggressive nakba. i just think it would be a lot harder, but in theory it could still happen.
Yes but in Madagascar.
>>18690108i feel like that probably wouldn't be possible. even if they had money and permission, i think it would be just too hard for a bunch of people from central and eastern europe to adapt to madagascar's climate. also the environment is super different in general so they wouldn't be able to do agriculture very well (agriculture being one of the backbones of early jewish immigration to mandatory palestine)
>>18690041Israel was mostly financed by the Soviet Union. It was a byproduct of Soviet global ascendancy
>>18690106WTF jews were only like 17% of Palestine? Zionists tell me the palette squatters on THEIR land, but it appears to be the other way around.
>>18690137why do you think arabs have been so angry about israel for the past 80 years? jews were a minority in mandatory palestine, they were only able to create a majority jewish state through mass explusion and genocide.for more information: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba
>>18690106Shows you not to listen to listen to the bleeding heart idiots when it comes to mass migration. It's a real threat.
>>18690141>why do you think arabs have been so angry about israel for the past 80 years? jews were a minority in mandatory palestine, they were only able to create a majority jewish state through mass explusion and genocide.Cool maybe the Arabs can go back to their shithole corner in the Arabian peninsula instead of spreading their lunatic religion through murder, genocide and intimidation.
>>18690041The Holocaust didn't happen and Israel still got created, so the answer is obviously yes.
>>18690137Because zionism is irrational reactionary hysterics. Notice how Israel encompasses land that was never a part of the ancient kingdom, like Haifa?Zionism's claims about "muh squatters", even if it had a serious basis, ignores the 20,000 year old pastoralist complex that defined the area. The middle east was basically a transmigratory highway loop. Yemenis are the least divergent population from the Natufians, genetically speaking.Zionists self-distinction rests on a line that basically doesn't fucking exist in the first place. Their only claim, "We Wuz Jews" also convenient ignores the fact that Rabbinical Judaism is an offshoot of the ancient religion just like Christianity is.
>>18690106With no ww2, Britain has for more energy and resources to combat overseas anti-colonial militias.IRL Britain was extremely pissed at the zionists for targeting British officials in Palestine, and Britain overwhelmingly supported the arabs in the 1948 war.The arabs were driving modern Shermans and flying modern Spitfires, while the jews were armed with whatever scrap was left from the wehrmacht in Czechoslovakia, unironically.
>>18690141> through mass explusion and genocide.Neither happened during Nakba.Historians are generally split 50/50 on whether Palestinians were actuallt expelled or left on their own accord, mostly because the other arab forces told them they had to go. From what I know, the consensus among historians is that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians left their homes, not expelled or genocided.The zionists did many attrocities which obviously fueled Palestinian fear of massacre, which contributed to the self-exodus. But the Palestinian/Arab forces likewise massacred many jewish settlements which led to jewish population also fleeing.
>>1869052550% of historians >the majority of Palestinians fled when they heard of the many massacres and evictions carried out by Jewish militia, we think they were scared of being next 50% of historians >we don't know why they fled when they heard of the many massacres and evictions carried out by Jewish militia, maybe they just did that for no reason
>>18690141It’s okay. The Arabs got revenge and expelled their own Jews from their countries, most of whom went to Israel. So it’s a fair exchange.
>>18691190a lot of those jews left voluntarily or had already left before israel was created
>>18690066You make it sound like the Balfour Declaration was some sort of unalienable set in stone policy.
>>18690141Why were the arabs such total chuds?
>>18690520>IRL Britain was extremely pissed at the zionists for targeting British officials in Palestine, and Britain overwhelmingly supported the arabs in the 1948 war.But the internet told me that the west established israel.
>>18691940It was carved out of a Western colony due to support from Western states, retard.
>>18690477Unironically where did all those Jews/Poles/Russians/Gypsies/Cripples/Faggots who were left unaccounted for after the war go to then?
>>18690066They would have had a lot less western support. Hitler might have supported them ironically enough. He’d dump all of Germany's kikes on them.
>>18690041Why is the Red Sea so damn big on that map? Israel is not seperated from the rest of the continent by a massive ditch. I know that much
>>18692078It's an elevation map. The area is blue because it's below sea level.
>>18691923Just like the Palestinians ‘left voluntarily.’ I’m not sure why leaving before matters though. If anything, the Arabs ethnically cleansing their countries before the creation of Israel just strengthens the Zionist argument.
>>18691983>there's a timeline where a Hitler statue has been erected in Tel Aviv
>>18690520Yeah, it's been fun to see the Hasbara boys crying that the British helped the Arabs when the Jews spent the entire 1940s shooting, kidnapping, torturing and blowing up British soldiers.
