I finished RDR2 and I'm surprised how much this game signals virtue and has a somewhat progressive slant on various things, but the game represents an inclusive gang with openly gay man, Mexicans, black people, and female gunslingers. Is this historically accurate? I imagine not. What was the ethnic dynamic like among outlaws at that time? Were gangs also segregated?
Outlaws were also into "bison" conservation, believe it or not.
>>18690779Wtf how?
>>18690778Perhaps if we were talking about the California-Texas border? But certainly not in the American Midwest.
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>>18690778Mexican gangs were somewhat rare, but conflicts with white gangs were real. What the game makes it seem like is a fantasy that doesn't even happen in places as progressive as California. My cousin worked in a prison in 2007, and believe me, nobody there was open to receiving "brothers" of other ethnicities and races. Now Imagine in the 1800s? Damn.
>>18690783>Perhaps if we were talking about the California-Texas border?The Mexican population in these areas wasn't very large either. You're ignoring the fact that all of northern Mexico was quite sparsely populated for some reason.
>>18690778The Van der Linde gang is a liberal and highly woke work of fiction, tailor-made for modern storytelling. Perhaps the historical "Wild West" was a bit more ethnically diverse than old Hollywood movies ever showed, but it was obviously post-racial utopia. Most Old West gangs were segregated and united by language or common kinship ties.
>>18690778As an autistic person interested in studying borderland and American expansion between 1607 and 1912, this game saddened me. The virtue signaling of the characters teaching the protagonist about racism and giving moral lessons is ridiculous. Yes, black outlaws existed like Ben Hodges, but a black man in a predominantly white gang would never be treated as an equal. Historically, black and white cowboys sometimes worked together on the trails, but it was far from the equality the game portrays. Racial hierarchies were still present.>>18690807The most ironic thing is that the character "Javier" wouldn't join an American gang. It doesn't make much sense. Groups like the "Five Joaquins" gang operated literally within their own cultural spheres against white American settlers who had conquered their lands after the Mexican-American War.
>>18690819>>18690778The biggest female "outlaw" was probably Belle Starr. But she didn't participate in street shootouts. The most impressive thing this roast did is what any woman would do to her bad boy lover. She forged documents and bribed authorities to protect the criminal boyfriends and husbands she was involved with. Big deal lol
>>18690822>Who is Calamity Jane
>>18690822>bad boy loverWoman moment
>>18690826It wasn't outlawry. Most of her stories as a "vigilante" and other such things were exaggerations created by that same retard and the sensationalist press of the time (the dime novels) to sell newspapers and entertainment shows, which you and feminists now accept as historical sources. How about doing some better research next time, you donkey? In her daily life, she worked as a cook, laundress, and nurse.
>>18690778Although the game is quite gay, historically there have been various female outlaws like Sadie who dressed as men and drank heavily.
I’m thinking was probably a lot of sodomy but not much gay identity
Why didn't Sadie just kill all the bandits instead of getting raped by them
>>18690838>various female outlaws like SadieWho are these numerous women we're talking about here? You're just spouting words without citing examples.
>>18690842Pearl Hart? Belle Starr was a sort of behind-the-scenes criminal mastermind who planned things. You'd be surprised to know that women at the time used ports to defend their ranches and even fought against Native Americans. Pulling a trigger doesn't require muscles.
>>18690852You have to be genuinely retarded to think that the difference between men and women is limited to or is primarily in strength. If you ever watched women's sports you'd know that the biggest area of deficiency is mental.
>>18690852>two examples>various LMAO Nice try .>Belle StarrThis roast has never held a gun in her life, what are you talking about? She wasn't a gunwoman. She only helped her various criminal lovers with bribery and document forgery.>criminal mastermind who planned things.Source for this statement?>Pearl Hartyou just googled it and copied whatever name you found, right? They were just statistical anomalies. This bitch committed the crime (a diligence) alongside her boyfriend but we don't know exactly to what extent she actively participated. What matters is the crime was so amateurish that they were caught a few days later while they were sleeping. Hahahaha, that's why they didn't let women be "cowgirls"
>>18690778>but the game represents an inclusive gang with openly gay man, Mexicans, black people, and female gunslingers. Is this historically accurate?not at all. The closes is that there would sometimes be mixed race cattle rustling gangs, but these would have all been white, hispanic, indian, or black men, not women. One of the most famous gangs, The James Younger Gang, was literally just a Confederate guerilla militia that simply continued raiding after the end of the war. They had a policy of not robbing confederate veterans and theres a story of Jesse James giving a man back his wallet after finding out he served in the Confederate Army.
>>18690852>at the time used portsWhat? ESL
>>18690870This game fuels a deep hatred for Southerners and Confederates.
>>18690867>>18690822The press of the time invented the myths of the gun-toting women to sell newspapers.
>>18690874yeah its woke slop
To be fair, it's also inaccurate to portray a gang as diverse with various European ethnicities. The gang has two Irishmen, an Austrian, and a British guy.
>>18690886It would be less gay if they used the diversity card with Europeans. They should have included a Spaniard, a Greek, a Frenchman, and why not a German? It would be better than a DEI gang that sees no problem in killing family men, especially if they're from the south.
>>18690886>>18690889Cowboy gangs were sometimes somewhat diverse in that they might have someone whos not scots-irish protestant. The ethnic mafias came in the later half of the 1800s. This is when you had groups like the Irish Molly Maguires or the Italian Mafia popping up in New Orleans
>>18690852Read The Truth Behind the Wild West Legend (by Michael Wallis) The famous "Queen of the Outlaws" (who inspired Black Belle in the game) never killed anyone and never led gangs in shootouts. She was a middle-class Southern woman who became involved with horse thieves.
>>18690892>Cowboy gangs were sometimes somewhat diverse in thatnot with Mexicans, Indians or blacks
>>18690894>let women be women
Until 1880, almost all European migrants came from Northern and Western Europe. The largest flows were from the Irish and Germans. From 1880 onwards, the axis shifted to Southern and Eastern Europe. Millions of Italians, Poles, Russians began to disembark en masse at ports like Ellis Island. So, instead of using Lenny, Charles, and Sadie, the game could have included an Italian, a Slav, and a German. Perhaps it wouldn't be historically accurate for a gang, but since Rockstar wanted to do this, they could at least have used the correct people.
