>>18695026
He was caught buying suspicious amounts of carbolic acid and veratrine from the local pharmacist, and when he was questioned about it, his reply was "it was just for a prank bro!". The guy is an obvious fraud like all the others.

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>>18695026

>>18695048
How does veratrine simulate miracles?

If Padre Pio used "suspicious amounts" of carbolic acid for all those years, then not getting carbolic acid poisoning might be a miracle of itself lol

>>18695060
>then not getting carbolic acid poisoning might be a miracle
You have no idea how much carbolic acid he might have used at a time and how much of it is needed to poison someone, you silly catholic.

>>18695063
He probably used quite a lot, since it was a routine antiseptic cleaner. That he bought "suspiciously" more than that and used it until his hands bled over and over and over kinda sounds like the poisoning amount but I guess not.

It's the suspicious-amount-of-the-gaps argument: high enough to account for everything, low enough not to be identifiable whatsoever.

>>18695063
Also, I (>>18695067) am not Catholic. I'm just not motivated to rely on the cope in >>18695048. There is literally nothing in there that would raise suspicion besides the open assertion that it must be suspicious.

>>18695067
>over kinda sounds like the poisoning amount
It kinda sounds like it? Based on what? Your vibes?

>It's the suspicious-amount-of-the-gaps argument
As opposed to "this guy had wounds in his hands therefore the catholic god is real" argument?

>>18695069
>>besides the open assertion
It's not my assertion
>Maria De Vito, cousin of the local pharmacist Valentini Vista at Foggia, testified that the young Padre Pio bought carbolic acid and the great quantity of four grams of veratrine "without presenting any medical prescription whatsoever" and "in great secret".

>>18695075
>Your vibes?
Of course. This is a vibes based rebuttal to a vibes based accusation.
>As opposed to "this guy had wounds in his hands therefore the catholic god is real" argument?
I wouldn't know, I'm not Catholic.

>>18695079
I didn't say it's yours.

>>18695082
The accusation made by his local pharmacist's cousin is a vibes based accusation? Why? Because it offends your theological sensibilities?

>>18695084
Because "suspicious" is not an empirical measurement lol. What did you think it was? A verifiable repeatable material piece of evidence?

>>18695084
Not that anon but personally I believe that accusation and it certainly makes wonder but even if we accept it, it doesn't explain his life adequately.

>>18695086
"Great quantity of four grams" and "in great secret" are not quantitative enough for you? Why?

>>18695087
It's meant to cast suspicion on him, not explain the entirety of his fraudulent life.

>>18695090
Because four grams of antiseptic is not extraordinary and "great secret" is, again, a vibe.

>>18695026
>Obviously faked his stigmata
>Catholic authorities at the time considered him a fraud
>Literal incel who raged at women for wearing pants
Yeah not impressed

>>18695095
>>Catholic authorities at the time considered him a fraud
They also considered >>18695048 to be bunk and later admitted Pio was based.

>>18695095
>>Literal incel who raged at women for wearing pants
Does it not feel strange to condemn 99% of human societies? People often talk about the end of history but modernists give me the impression that they treat the current age as the beginning of history.

>>18695026
Argue against what, exactly? His Hagiography?
>I'm struggling to
That's because Ethan Muse is good at what he does.
>Why did I never hear about this guy before?
Presumably, because you aren't Catholic. Apologists dominate discourse on all Catholic miracles because people are at liberty to not care about them.
>>18695051
An LLM is probably the worst possible choice for something to receive criticism from. It will always go along with what you are trying to do. It's the "You're right, " machine.

>>18695103
99% of human societies believed tons of things that you reject and condemn.

>>18695094
>Because four grams of antiseptic
https://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-253825.pdf
>"Swallowing of 0.75 to 1 gram of Veratrum alkaloids can result in stomach upset, slowing of heart rate, lightheadedness, and increased production of saliva; these develop within an hour and take up to 15 hours to resolve."

https://asploro.com/asjbccr/acute-veratrum-poisoning-a-case-report-and-literature-review/
"Veratrum is a medicinal herb with a narrow safety margin. The reported oral LD50 in mice is 15.9 mg/kg, and toxicity can occur at doses as low as 70 mg per administration"

>"great secret" is, again, a vibe.
Not really, considering the fraud himself admitted he bought it in secret "for a prank bro!"

This thread is fucking sad. Tradcaths are genuinely embarrassing

>>18695115
Four grams is not an extraordinary amount. Ingesting four grams would be an extraordinary amount, though it would leave stigmata completely unexplained.
>>"great secret" is, again, a vibe.
>Not really
>Because it was for a prank
Zero correlation lmao. Someone feeling like something was bought in secret is a vibe regardless of anything.

>>18695149
Exactly. If tradcaths were on the side of reason, they'd treat "that's suspicious" as a repeatable scientific claim and would derive stigmata from ingesting a pesticide. That's literally science.

>>18695110
Of course, and I don't hold them in contempt for it.

>>18695026
>I'm struggling to explain his life without it involving miracles
Be more specific.

>>18695026
>Why did I never hear about this guy before?
because you likely aren't northeastern Brazilian and as such have no reason to know of a regional folk saint

>>18695156
>Four grams is not an extraordinary amount
It absolutely is an extraordinary amount. You could have just looked it up instead of lying for the sake of your apologetics. See this article (ctrl + F: veratrine)
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/41778/41778-h/41778-h.htm
>Action and Uses: [...] Has been applied (in an ointment) as analgesic in neuralgia. It is highly toxic, and caution should be observed in its use, especially where the skin is broken.
>Veratrine Ointment, N.F.—Veratrine (4%) in expressed oil of almond and benzoinated lard.

So, with 4 grams of Veratrine, you can make 100 grams of Veratrine Ointment. 100 grams is as much as a large toothpaste tube, which is a lot of fucking ointment.

Also see the article I posted earlier for more of its toxic effects on the skin
https://datasheets.scbt.com/sc-253825.pdf
>The material may cause severe skin irritation after prolonged or repeated exposure and may produce on contact skin redness, swelling, the
production of vesicles, scaling and thickening of the skin. Repeated exposures may produce severe ulceration
>TOXICITY: Subcutaneous (Rat) TDLo: 0.1 mg/kg
TDLo is the Lowest Toxic Dosage amount. So 0.1mg of veratridine (a component of veratrine) is enough to be toxic to a 1 kg rat when applied subcutaneously (under the skin). Naturally, you should expect that 10mg is toxic to a rat weighing approx. 100kg, like Mister Pio. So 4g = 4000mg is 400 times the lowest toxic dose.

>Someone feeling like something was bought in secret
Feeling? Lol, you just can't stop yourself from lying, can you? Even when the guy himself admitted that he bought it in secret.

>>18695084
>local pharmacist's cousin
However my uncle's neighbor's aunt told my friend's sister that the accuser was an ugly jew who made up the story.

>>18695107
So you're saying that the llm is wrong because it agrees with someone who's right?

>>18695224
Unfortunately for your pathetic cope, the fraud Pio even confirmed the story of buying carbolic acid and veratrine.

>>18695227
>kvetching intensifies
Low IQ idiot, this is not the place to grandstand. It's just you and me, and a few others like me. You're not changing my mind by "arguing" like a sniveling rat. You're not changing anyone else's mind by repeating your inane pilpul bullshit. Are we good now or do I need to start talking about your whore mother?

>>18695232
Lol, looks like I broke the retarded christcuck's mind. Someone should get his handlers to sedate him.

>>18695026
>This book says this guy did magic, how can we disprove this?
You're gonna love Harry Potter

>>18695234
>kvetching has reached 6 million volts
Oy gevalt, back to the oven moshi. I clocked (your) schnozz from the very beginning

How do we explain leg, no leg, leg my fellow atheists?
It seems naturalism doesn't offer any possible explanation for this so is it true that non-Catholic resistance is based on the heart and not the mind?

>>18695216
>you can make 100 grams of Veratrine Ointment
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your baseless interpretation that this is too much. Too much for what?
>lying
I didn't lie about anything, I disagreed with your verdict.
>scaling
>ulceration
>thickening
>toxic
Which of these did Padre Pio have?

>>"secretive"
>"Feeling? Lol"
Isn't it strange how you always laugh at it being a vibe but you can never actually tell me what it is instead? A measurement? An empirical fact?

Anon, you're giving me "that's too much stuff, it could cause scaling" and asking me to deny a miracle worker. How on Earth do you think this is going to work? And again, I'm not even Catholic lol Stop clutching your pearls and start making actual arguments.