Why are America’s “great” historical figures so fucking mediocre?Do they even have any objectively “great” figures?
>>18699503You're missing at least 1 from the top. Maybe 2 others if you want to include Augustus and Charlemagne too. To answer your question, because they are very rare figures. And the way America is set up, it's practically designed to not allow for such a leader to rise. It's a plutocratic republic with responsibility diffused across several branches, and real power hidden behind smoke screens.
You wish the history of your country was this kino. You wish every day that you could look back on your own history and read about anything even half as monumental and impressive and singularly important as the American war of independence. I'm going to hazard a guess and assume you're a Europoor because the alternative, that you're some butt-ugly beaner DARING to insult the greatest country to ever exist, is just laughable.
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>>18699520I know this is bait but I’ve met Americans who unironically that think like this.No offense, but Americans history reads like a timeline of political events: boring, methodical, and institution-based. You have no figures who want to change the world, or achieve immortal glory. You just get one stupid faggot president trying to uphold the US monetary system, or some black guy who talks to much and gets shot. It’s not really that interesting, people only care about it because Americans run the world but that’s all there is to it.
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>>18699503>Thousands of years of recorded history versus three hundred yearsWhat do you fucking think. Fact of the matter is that the US is (if it stops going full retard) the single most powerful country in global history, and that outdoes any faggy 'great man' theory.
>>18699503I think there has been a waning interest in American history on /his/ due to a period when it was all people cared about so it became "cliche". However this has extended so far that people have now forgotten why it was so popular to begin with. This board would be objectively improved if it was like 50% American history discussion.Also, to draw comparisons to Napoleon, the American equivalent to this period is the civil war in which we have 2 massive conscript armies from the same country fighting each other, completely unprecendented, with a highly skilled old skool general in the South and an extremely underrated new skool general in the North. This is significant because Ulysses, the drunk son of a leatherworker, essentially created the modern warfare doctrine, and was highly skilled at grand strategy and its application as total warfare, which is overlooked because it is not the flashy tactics of Napoleon. However, he did the inconceivable and completely squashed the Confederacy, and then in true American fashion became president, accomplished nothing, then wrote some cool memoirs (which are priceless works of literature) and died immediately after.
>>18699532Not bait. I'm right, you're wrong, and the fact you posted the words of some butt-ugly kraut incel who killed his own children is proof that you're a barely functioning retard. >You have no figures who want to change the world, or achieve immortal glory.I'm assuming your qualifications for being a "great immortal figure" are conquering a lot of territory. In which case we've done that and built a more impressive nation than yours. We've also produced more inventors, scientists, and great statesmen of note than any other nation or civilization. >people only care about it because Americans run the worldYou at least acknowledge that you live in our big fat shadow, scurrying around like a fucking roach. Know your place.
>>18699525Business first, that railroad isn't going to tear itself up
cool bait image, but do europeans only know how to look in one direction?
>>18699532>You have no figures who want to change the worldthat's a good thing, people who want to "change the world" are megalomaniacal faggots
>>18699532SAAAAR
George Washington was arguably a better statesman then Napoleon even if he was a mediocre general >>18699533Literally Burnside tier. One of the worst burger general's
>>18699503>Bottom middlelol, bitch think she part of the team.
>>18699503People up top are manipulators that were good at killing. Not great men. Their legacy and "greatness" was achieved throught theft and murder.
>>18699533>American Caesar The Yuropoor mind cannot comprehend this. But the Samurai (and the Korean, and the Chinee) kneels.
>>18699520>we beat england lmaoyou're all yeoman farmers, even if you don't want to admit it, that's why your art and culture SUCKS
americans are like the weird kid who plays by himself in his own backyard inventing rules where only he can win meanwhile Europeans are like the bully who sets to conquer the entire neighborhoodgeorge washington has more in common with ho chi minh rather than with someone like Francisco Pizarro or Frederick Barbarossa
The great figures of history were esoteric and scholastic diviners. The people above the americans in that image were just nepo baby military generals whose big contribution in life was drafting peasants in an army. Thats why all of them always had to resort to an oracle of their time for decisions. Or in old testament terms, every king bowed to a prophet. >retard hears, retard conquers
>>18699918>Cato still butthurt
>>18700529your mayor and prime minister are muslims and your military went bankrupt last july.
americans have this weird brown tier nationalism when they think their accomplishments are something profound they can exclusive boast but in reality no one cares, I see the same behavior from mexicans, filipinos and other third world nations >DUDE WE´RE THE BEST IN (something irrelevant no one cares about) WE'RE AWESOME!!!!
>>18699532And Goebbels is dead while the US lives on
>>18700553t. guy that watched 200 episodes of townsends
>>18699553How hard is it to beat mexico in a war? Napoleon beat Britain, Russia, Prussia and Austria.The main contributions of America would be intellectual, thats fair but there isnt an American Alexander the great because all America ever did was bully smaller countries like Vietnam and take credit for the soviets who won ww2 whereas Alexander and Napoleon beat major military powers.
>>18700564Why do europeans think some retard with a big whacking sticks is such a profound accomplishment of a nation?>uhh, chud, have you seen how Hellenism spread under Alexander? Or how Jacobin Enlightenment under Napoleon?that's not an accomplishment. Thats just an inevitable byproduct of their rampage. That's why Alexander the Great himself said >>>"Diogenese is better than me"
>>18700553Man, you browns really love your AI slop
>>18700573Your "great" men are luther king and george washingtonMy idea of Great Man are Napoleon and AlexanderWe're not the same
>>18700573Oh and btw, America lost to Vietnam and Afghanistan. So much for the greatest country in the world
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>>18700580Napoleon lost his empire because he was an overly aggressive autist. Washington’s empire still exists degraded as it is.
>>18700584I guess low quality is just in your blood.
Great Americans:>Henry Ford>Thomas Edison>Alexander Bell>Steve Jobsand you use your mass produced car, electricity and iphones every daynobody cares about politics anymorestay mad
>>18700580I'm not saying that Europe doesn't have Great Men and America isn't lacking. I just think you guys should say someone like Aquinas or Erasmus for one, rather than some 1800s Chris Chan whose claim to fame was breaking conventional warfare and having the most brutal military draft in history, Even with Romans, who were the biggest Alexanderboos in history, their main consensus was>cool military tricks, but turned into an incompetent nepo retard after hanging out with Greek-Persian nobles
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>>18700598Thank you for underlining my statement.
>>18699533Now, I won't say MacArthur is comparable to Napoleon, but I will say that the existence of Douglas MacArthur does refute >>18699532 that no American wished to change the world.I would argue a radioactive sea of cobalt would change the world.
>>18700580>My idea of Great Man are Napoleon and AlexanderNapoleon literally tried to escape to America after Waterloo. He wanted to become a naturalist lol. His brother (the king of spain and naples) even lived in New Jersey and you can still go on what's left of his state.
>>18699503Saint Floyd. Lol.
You guys need to understand this OP is naturally servile and almost certainly mixed race, he will kiss the feet of any man who presents himself as a "great conqueror." If Hamilton had been even slightly successful in re-enacting the Caesar LARP he so desperately wanted, OP would be posting his homoerotic fantasies about him here right now.
>>18699503>whyTell me your complaints about them you lazy faggot.
>>18700592Yeah well that is the difference between military history and intellectual history. In this case he made the great men category very vague but it appears that he was referring to statesmen and military generals.America has no shortage of contributions to intellectual history, especially in science.
>>18700701> that is the difference between military history and intellectual historyThe fighters want to be remembered as they would like, but the historians want future generations to know exactly what happened.
>>18700704Youre still underappreciating Napoleon. You are saying I think, that the French didnt manage to hold onto their European empire and that is true, however, Napoleon modernized the legal system of France, standardized the metric system, he built many schools, pushed for industrialization, he was responsible for breaking up the old and archaic structure of the holy roman empire, eventually paving the way for German nationalism.Even if creating all those kingdoms, duchies and republics didnt make sense, he still modernized Europe and France and tore down the remnants of feudalism by abolishing the guild system i think.
>>18700717>modernized the legal systemif the previous legal system was the fucking three estate and reign of terror system that every european power was laughing at, thats not much of a feat. >metric systemokay. credit the creators of the metric system.>built many schoolsso did USAID in Africa>pushed for industrializationso he didnt actually do anything here. >Germanyafter Napoleon we got Marx, Nietschze and Shitler from Germany. Thank you Napoleon.
>>18699503>VperitasVperitas, seriously? Holy fucking shit, AIslop slurpers literally can't even proofread their own shit hahahah Jesus fucking Christ man, the world is doomed.
>>18699532oh no, Clubfoot Skeletor doesn't like us!Literally who cares what this freak thinks, he was literally already mocked within the Third Reich itself. An example of a lunatic who murdered his own children in a tantrum of despair because he dedicated his whole existence to another man and couldn't imagine that others would have something else to live for, pathetic.
>>18700564>Napoleon beat Britain,I'm fairly sure he quite famously failed on that one.
>>18699503Why didn't you include temujin here
>>18700799Well I think he defeated the different European coallitions that britain was a part of and made them sign treaties that were broken shortly afterwards and i suppose that counts as defeating Britain, though i think the brits never gave up and i think it was only prussia, austria and russia that capitulated at different times. Im not sure, havent reached the end of the video.>>18700739He also created the bank of france and the french institute for statistics i think, he probably did make a lot of money for France, so, idk, honestly my sources are a 3 hour youtube video that obviously isnt the most reliable source of information.
>>18699503Why wouldn'tAndrew Jackson and Lincoln be in the American side? Even someone like Robert e Lee
>>18699503Lincoln was a great man, not Alexander, sure, but the American Civil War was one of the most brutal civil wars ever, both sides were well equipped, and fought over a pretty big front to boot. The fact that Lincoln won this war and united the nation for another century and a half, said nation eventually becoming among the largest and most powerful in history with basically no further problems is an extremely impressive feat. He also stopped the South's attempted white genocide by preventing even further imports of black people, ensuring that the US would be the only country in the Americas that was genuinely descended from European stock and not a mongrelized hell hole for many many years.
>>18699503Do europoors have a hard time comprehending per capita and timescale, wasnt it over 1000 years between hitler and Charlemagne for germistan?
>>18699503Caesar didn't do any important reforms though? You and the shitty AI you used to make that image are thinking of Octavian.
>>18699503Two of those are from so long ago that not only do their nations not exist anymore but accurate non-biased records of them are hard as fuck to find because back then history wasn't about being accurate, it was about telling a good story
